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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on October 13, 2021, 09:13:38 AM

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Now it's already big changes happening but sadly CA is not adopting this all because I remember few decades back there was serious issue about salaries between CA and players Association, so many players was settling in England because they have nearly doubled money from home country.

But, sadly It's still going on as now just because of BBL they already have very good money in their account and many other things also happening which give them good resources, but Board is not going to change their attitude about this. If they do not bring some changes then surely few other Leagues can take over, and they will go with their second class players in this League.

Personally I believe that the BBL salaries should be higher. If that is not possible, then they should shorten the duration. While the other leagues such as PSL and CPL gets completed in just around a month, the BBL is considerably longer and goes on for two months. Each franchise side plays a total of 14 matches in the group phase. So the work load for the players is much higher when compared to the other leagues. The Pakistan Super League has much higher salaries, and each franchise plays only 10 matches in the group stage.

Indeed, IPL- the biggest franchise cricket ends in within a month or a month and 10 days whereas BBL is a lengthy tournament. Sometimes I myself get bored of so many matches and lose track of who's playing good and who' playing bad. Another downside of longer tournaments is that it somewhat hampers International schedules and other franchise cricket as well. So I think rather than increasing the money, they should shorten the length of the tournament a bit.

BBL is not as popular as IPL therefore it seems a bit boring if the more matches are played in this league and the tournament is extended. If they pay more money to players, no one will mind the long duration of the tournament. Think about, if IPL duration is extended, there will be no objection from anyone because its popular and fans willing to see more matches.

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Quote from: coinism on October 14, 2021, 06:30:16 AM

If 3 months goes for IPL, then we have only 9 months left in a year where other T20 leagues will be held and international matches b/w countries will be played. 9 months is very little duration to complete all this. It will hurt the cricket IMO.
But seeing the money involved and power of BCCI, nothing is impossible for IPL.

If this is going to happen then surely we will see some massive changes in future because then surely this will cut Indian cricket schedule, and it's also had some big impact on other boards and teams as well.

Maybe we will watch some better changes through ICC because they will also big beneficiary of this and big 3 are already having good profit because of their players, but this will also bring some other issues also very terribly like we have few years back in England as players will burn with this all and having many issues like mental and other health relative hopefully they all will bring some better solution for this all.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 14, 2021, 08:08:57 PM

Yup, 10 team format from 2022 season. Close estimate would be 16 ish new foreign players (4 player in the team and 3-4 back up in the squad for each franchise) and approx 26-32 capped or uncapped local talent. So its a win-win situation for players.

I don't have an issue with the foreign players part. As we have seen for this season, the overseas players performed well for all of the franchises. Enough backup is available and some of the promising players such as Southee, Neesham, Tahir and Smith could not play because of the 4-player restriction. But the same can't be said about the local players. The franchises are struggling to recruit enough talent locally. Look at SRH and RR. Their local players have contributed hardly anything this season. I would suggest increasing the foreign player cap from 4 to 5 by next season. For the English Premier League, they don't have any such cap. So why should the IPL have one?

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To add more into this, they are also adding 2 more teams and its going to get bigger now. More opportunity for additional players to showcase their talent. IPL already surpassed the ICC in terms of revenue and i won't be surprise if gap between them increase in coming years. Can imagine IPL dominating ICC tournament and bilateral series in next decade when BCCI manage to add more teams in the IPL.

Oh, I didn't know about them adding 2 more teams to the league. So if 2 more teams are added, that means around 40 more players will get recruited which is a good sign for cricket in general. Then more promising players can shoe their talent and get a head-start in their careers.

Yup, 10 team format from 2022 season. Close estimate would be 16 ish new foreign players (4 player in the team and 3-4 back up in the squad for each franchise) and approx 26-32 capped or uncapped local talent. So its a win-win situation for players.

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To add more into this, they are also adding 2 more teams and its going to get bigger now. More opportunity for additional players to showcase their talent. IPL already surpassed the ICC in terms of revenue and i won't be surprise if gap between them increase in coming years. Can imagine IPL dominating ICC tournament and bilateral series in next decade when BCCI manage to add more teams in the IPL.

Do you think that adding more teams mean more competition. Even now if you look at the IPL teams only a few teams are competitive. The bottom teams are maintaining that position every season and they are not improving their performance and even if you add more teams the pool of player available for the IPL does not increase. I am not sure whether the revenue increases because there will be more matches but if you are looking at quality of matches i do not think it will make much of a difference.

Competition is not the issue IMO. For example if you look at their squad then you will find players like Sanju, Buttler, Stokes, Archer, Chris Morris etc in Rajasthan Royals. KL Rahul, Mayank Aggarwal, Shami, Chris Jordan, Nicolas Pooran, Gayle etc in the Punjab. So quality squad is available for them, its just that they are not utilizing resources well when comparing to other franchise. One big example is Maxwell, he had poor run for the Punjab but now look at him in the RCB jersey.

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Quote from: perfect999 on October 13, 2021, 11:23:42 PM

India is well populated and big country in cricket community so just because of this they have biggest and richest league on Australian side they have one of the longest league which starts in December and ends in February and held in their cricketing season which is really strange as they have no big window for this even still good league but due to their cricketing system it's not able to have real benefits but still good for their board as they have good profit from this.

As far as I know, BPL was supposed to be held sometime during January or February and it will have a time clash between BPL and BBL. So it already is having an effect on other franchise cricket. So if the time is decreased a bit, maybe we would see more variety franchise cricket and more International cricket played at that same time. I don't know, maybe BBL's length is just too long.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 14, 2021, 01:05:23 AM

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To add more into this, they are also adding 2 more teams and its going to get bigger now. More opportunity for additional players to showcase their talent. IPL already surpassed the ICC in terms of revenue and i won't be surprise if gap between them increase in coming years. Can imagine IPL dominating ICC tournament and bilateral series in next decade when BCCI manage to add more teams in the IPL.

Do you think that adding more teams mean more competition. Even now if you look at the IPL teams only a few teams are competitive. The bottom teams are maintaining that position every season and they are not improving their performance and even if you add more teams the pool of player available for the IPL does not increase. I am not sure whether the revenue increases because there will be more matches but if you are looking at quality of matches i do not think it will make much of a difference.

Those teams which are not able to perform in IPL are those where the franchise is reluctant to let go of non-performing players and also the old ones. Some of these players feel they are playing in that team because they have now become legends. These so-called legends should be chucked out and new players should be introduced. Many veterans have been asking the same. I agree two new teams will make the tournament more competitive but if these two teams also follow the same footsteps then nothing will be left.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 14, 2021, 01:05:23 AM

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To add more into this, they are also adding 2 more teams and its going to get bigger now. More opportunity for additional players to showcase their talent. IPL already surpassed the ICC in terms of revenue and i won't be surprise if gap between them increase in coming years. Can imagine IPL dominating ICC tournament and bilateral series in next decade when BCCI manage to add more teams in the IPL.

Do you think that adding more teams mean more competition. Even now if you look at the IPL teams only a few teams are competitive. The bottom teams are maintaining that position every season and they are not improving their performance and even if you add more teams the pool of player available for the IPL does not increase. I am not sure whether the revenue increases because there will be more matches but if you are looking at quality of matches i do not think it will make much of a difference.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 13, 2021, 11:08:13 PM

They have 8 teams in total (same with the IPL). On the other hand, other leagues such as the PSL, CPL and Hundred features just 6 teams. So as per the default setting, each team needs to play a total of 14 matches in BBL/IPL, compared to 10 in CPL and the other leagues. Also, I am not sure whether the channel partners will be happy with a shortened tournament (because they were promised a two month window). They can think about it later. But first they need to increase the salaries. CA is getting good profits from the BBL nowadays. What is the problem in sharing some of that with the players?

As BBL is longer than IPL, that means that they get a hefty amount from the TV's and sponsors. So increasing the fees of the players should not be a big problem for them. I don't know maybe this needs to be brought to their attention. Maybe if enough social media posts are made, or even some players step up to make some statements about it, they might consider increasing the fees.

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@LittleBitFunny IPL is no longer a league just for India, it’s an platform for player’s from all over the world to show their talent and secure a direct promotion to the playing 11 of their respective countries. Also BBL isn’t as heavily advertised as IPL is, and that’s a key factor why IPL is more watched then BBL.

To add more into this, they are also adding 2 more teams and its going to get bigger now. More opportunity for additional players to showcase their talent. IPL already surpassed the ICC in terms of revenue and i won't be surprise if gap between them increase in coming years. Can imagine IPL dominating ICC tournament and bilateral series in next decade when BCCI manage to add more teams in the IPL.

Oh, I didn't know about them adding 2 more teams to the league. So if 2 more teams are added, that means around 40 more players will get recruited which is a good sign for cricket in general. Then more promising players can shoe their talent and get a head-start in their careers.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 14, 2021, 02:26:30 AM

I won't be surprised if the IPL gets extended from the current duration of 2 months, to 3 months. If 10 teams are participating, then each team needs to play a total of 18 matches. In the group phase 90 matches needs to be played. If they want to keep the duration down to 2 months, then they need to agree for 2-matches per day schedule. The franchise owners may be against it, since they may be vary of the drop in TV ratings. The IPL to cricket will become what the English Premier League is to football (if it is not so, already).

If 3 months goes for IPL, then we have only 9 months left in a year where other T20 leagues will be held and international matches b/w countries will be played. 9 months is very little duration to complete all this. It will hurt the cricket IMO.
But seeing the money involved and power of BCCI, nothing is impossible for IPL.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 14, 2021, 01:05:23 AM

To add more into this, they are also adding 2 more teams and its going to get bigger now. More opportunity for additional players to showcase their talent. IPL already surpassed the ICC in terms of revenue and i won't be surprise if gap between them increase in coming years. Can imagine IPL dominating ICC tournament and bilateral series in next decade when BCCI manage to add more teams in the IPL.

I won't be surprised if the IPL gets extended from the current duration of 2 months, to 3 months. If 10 teams are participating, then each team needs to play a total of 18 matches. In the group phase 90 matches needs to be played. If they want to keep the duration down to 2 months, then they need to agree for 2-matches per day schedule. The franchise owners may be against it, since they may be vary of the drop in TV ratings. The IPL to cricket will become what the English Premier League is to football (if it is not so, already).

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Quote from: Juggy777 on October 13, 2021, 11:43:05 PM

Quote from: perfect999 on October 13, 2021, 11:23:42 PM

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@LittleBitFunny IPL is no longer a league just for India, it’s an platform for player’s from all over the world to show their talent and secure a direct promotion to the playing 11 of their respective countries. Also BBL isn’t as heavily advertised as IPL is, and that’s a key factor why IPL is more watched then BBL.

To add more into this, they are also adding 2 more teams and its going to get bigger now. More opportunity for additional players to showcase their talent. IPL already surpassed the ICC in terms of revenue and i won't be surprise if gap between them increase in coming years. Can imagine IPL dominating ICC tournament and bilateral series in next decade when BCCI manage to add more teams in the IPL.

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IPL- the biggest franchise cricket ends in within a month or a month and 10 days whereas BBL is a lengthy tournament. Sometimes I myself get bored of so many matches and lose track of who's playing good and who' playing bad. Another downside of longer tournaments is that it somewhat hampers International schedules and other franchise cricket as well. So I think rather than increasing the money, they should shorten the length of the tournament a bit.

India is well populated and big country in cricket community so just because of this they have biggest and richest league on Australian side they have one of the longest league which starts in December and ends in February and held in their cricketing season which is really strange as they have no big window for this even still good league but due to their cricketing system it's not able to have real benefits but still good for their board as they have good profit from this.

@LittleBitFunny IPL is no longer a league just for India, it’s an platform for player’s from all over the world to show their talent and secure a direct promotion to the playing 11 of their respective countries. Also BBL isn’t as heavily advertised as IPL is, and that’s a key factor why IPL is more watched then BBL.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on October 13, 2021, 09:13:38 AM

IPL- the biggest franchise cricket ends in within a month or a month and 10 days whereas BBL is a lengthy tournament. Sometimes I myself get bored of so many matches and lose track of who's playing good and who' playing bad. Another downside of longer tournaments is that it somewhat hampers International schedules and other franchise cricket as well. So I think rather than increasing the money, they should shorten the length of the tournament a bit.

India is well populated and big country in cricket community so just because of this they have biggest and richest league on Australian side they have one of the longest league which starts in December and ends in February and held in their cricketing season which is really strange as they have no big window for this even still good league but due to their cricketing system it's not able to have real benefits but still good for their board as they have good profit from this.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on October 13, 2021, 09:13:38 AM

Indeed, IPL- the biggest franchise cricket ends in within a month or a month and 10 days whereas BBL is a lengthy tournament. Sometimes I myself get bored of so many matches and lose track of who's playing good and who' playing bad. Another downside of longer tournaments is that it somewhat hampers International schedules and other franchise cricket as well. So I think rather than increasing the money, they should shorten the length of the tournament a bit.

They have 8 teams in total (same with the IPL). On the other hand, other leagues such as the PSL, CPL and Hundred features just 6 teams. So as per the default setting, each team needs to play a total of 14 matches in BBL/IPL, compared to 10 in CPL and the other leagues. Also, I am not sure whether the channel partners will be happy with a shortened tournament (because they were promised a two month window). They can think about it later. But first they need to increase the salaries. CA is getting good profits from the BBL nowadays. What is the problem in sharing some of that with the players?

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Quote from: SirLancelot on October 12, 2021, 12:44:53 PM

Now it's already big changes happening but sadly CA is not adopting this all because I remember few decades back there was serious issue about salaries between CA and players Association, so many players was settling in England because they have nearly doubled money from home country.

But, sadly It's still going on as now just because of BBL they already have very good money in their account and many other things also happening which give them good resources, but Board is not going to change their attitude about this. If they do not bring some changes then surely few other Leagues can take over, and they will go with their second class players in this League.

Personally I believe that the BBL salaries should be higher. If that is not possible, then they should shorten the duration. While the other leagues such as PSL and CPL gets completed in just around a month, the BBL is considerably longer and goes on for two months. Each franchise side plays a total of 14 matches in the group phase. So the work load for the players is much higher when compared to the other leagues. The Pakistan Super League has much higher salaries, and each franchise plays only 10 matches in the group stage.

Indeed, IPL- the biggest franchise cricket ends in within a month or a month and 10 days whereas BBL is a lengthy tournament. Sometimes I myself get bored of so many matches and lose track of who's playing good and who' playing bad. Another downside of longer tournaments is that it somewhat hampers International schedules and other franchise cricket as well. So I think rather than increasing the money, they should shorten the length of the tournament a bit.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on October 12, 2021, 12:44:53 PM

Now it's already big changes happening but sadly CA is not adopting this all because I remember few decades back there was serious issue about salaries between CA and players Association, so many players was settling in England because they have nearly doubled money from home country.

But, sadly It's still going on as now just because of BBL they already have very good money in their account and many other things also happening which give them good resources, but Board is not going to change their attitude about this. If they do not bring some changes then surely few other Leagues can take over, and they will go with their second class players in this League.

Personally I believe that the BBL salaries should be higher. If that is not possible, then they should shorten the duration. While the other leagues such as PSL and CPL gets completed in just around a month, the BBL is considerably longer and goes on for two months. Each franchise side plays a total of 14 matches in the group phase. So the work load for the players is much higher when compared to the other leagues. The Pakistan Super League has much higher salaries, and each franchise plays only 10 matches in the group stage.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 11, 2021, 10:05:06 PM

They have this stupid salary cap, which is kept at a very low level. It was OK when the BBL first launched (2011), but during the last decade player salaries have gone up by manytimes. Right now the highest paid player in BBL receives a salary that is only around 1/10th of that received by the highest paid player in the IPL. And the work load is almost the same. Given this, many of the local players prefer to play in other leagues such as Vitality Blast and CPL, rather than participating in the BBL.

Now it's already big changes happening but sadly CA is not adopting this all because I remember few decades back there was serious issue about salaries between CA and players Association, so many players was settling in England because they have nearly doubled money from home country.

But, sadly It's still going on as now just because of BBL they already have very good money in their account and many other things also happening which give them good resources, but Board is not going to change their attitude about this. If they do not bring some changes then surely few other Leagues can take over, and they will go with their second class players in this League.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on October 11, 2021, 04:41:50 AM

This is happening in BigBash for some time because some years back I also read few local players refuse to play this league because they feel they have not enough money from them which is strange for me because they have some good market and their media partnership is also very good but still they are unable to give good salaries to players is really strange because if they pay good then surely big players will come, and they have good viewer ship and good number of peoples in grounds as well.

Few years back, just because of these salaries issues, mostly Australian players was love to play in England instead of Australian domestic matches because they have some better salaries from them.

They have this stupid salary cap, which is kept at a very low level. It was OK when the BBL first launched (2011), but during the last decade player salaries have gone up by manytimes. Right now the highest paid player in BBL receives a salary that is only around 1/10th of that received by the highest paid player in the IPL. And the work load is almost the same. Given this, many of the local players prefer to play in other leagues such as Vitality Blast and CPL, rather than participating in the BBL.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 09, 2021, 09:38:31 PM

Ironically the salaries in BPL are higher than BBL. The Big Bash League has this strange upper limit for salaries and many of the players have refused to take part in it, due to this threshold. Last year (2019-20), Sandeep Lamichhane left BBL after a few matches, after he got a higher paying contract with the BPL. Local players like David Warner have refused to play in the BBL. It may be the third largest franchise league in the world (in terms of revenue and viewership), but CA is not managing it properly.

This is happening in BigBash for some time because some years back I also read few local players refuse to play this league because they feel they have not enough money from them which is strange for me because they have some good market and their media partnership is also very good but still they are unable to give good salaries to players is really strange because if they pay good then surely big players will come, and they have good viewer ship and good number of peoples in grounds as well.

Few years back, just because of these salaries issues, mostly Australian players was love to play in England instead of Australian domestic matches because they have some better salaries from them.

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Quote from: Iranus on October 10, 2021, 08:54:08 AM

I think that BPL is the biggest franchise T20 cricket after IPL and Big Bash League. The team contains a good number of quality players from both local and players from abroad. But it was very unfortunate that they were not able to host. And that's a good point you mentioned that as the financial situation of Bangladesh is getting better, they can invest more into this league and make it better every year.

I agree with wiss19. BPL doesn't currently rank among the top-5 leagues. There is no point in importing superstars from countries like West Indies and Australia. They need to produce quality local talent first. Look at the foreign franchise leagues. Only Shakib al Hasan and Mustafizur Rahman are included in the squads, because the other players simply don't have the quality. If they expand BPL without developing the local talent, then the league will be completely dominated by the foreign players and local youngsters won't get a chance.

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