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Quote from: bilal_jan321 on October 17, 2021, 01:13:04 PM

I think its just a matter of time before things will settled in cricket. I mean money just arrived in cricket that's why few big boards are dominating for past 5 to 6 years. With time small boards will start voicing for there rights and that will be the moment when we have stronger n neutral icc. It's just a matter of time, just relax n enjoy the moment.

As long as the BCCI dominates the ICC, this situation will continue. The other big boards (ECB, CA and CNZ) are not as powerful as the BCCI, but they act like the sidekicks of the Indian board and try to get a disproportionate share of the revenue for themselves. All that said, I would say that the issues doesn't lies with the BCCI. The real problem lies in the way cricket is being administered. All the other sports bodies (FIFA, FIBA, FILA, IOC, FIH.etc) are being administered by former players. But in case of cricket, most of those at the top are businessmen who care only about money.

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Quote from: bilal_jan321 on October 17, 2021, 01:13:04 PM

I think its just a matter of time before things will settled in cricket. I mean money just arrived in cricket that's why few big boards are dominating for past 5 to 6 years. With time small boards will start voicing for there rights and that will be the moment when we have stronger n neutral icc. It's just a matter of time, just relax n enjoy the moment.

Due to this Covid-19 not only cricket boards many other sports Associations and businesses are suffering very badly one of my friend starts a small shop just in January 2020, and we have very long lock down which hurt him very badly, and now he is already out of this business and looking for some job or any stuff. Now you can imagine what happening we will have some after shocks as well but hopefully now in next few months things could be better, and we will be able to have some better and positive things which was happening back in 2018 and 2019 could be back for all of us.

Now after this T20 world cup many events coming and few teams also going for bilateral series which will bring revenue and better financial opportunities.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on October 16, 2021, 06:44:47 PM

This is the fact and the true situation of Cricket boards. Going one by one each and every cricket board has got financial issues. Even the top order team board are into it. This won't get a conclusion or a perfection in performance until the functional governments of every country start funding. As of now I find India to be the only country that doesn't have any financial issue and the cricket board has got more deciding power than rest of the boards. This needs to change.

I think its just a matter of time before things will settled in cricket. I mean money just arrived in cricket that's why few big boards are dominating for past 5 to 6 years. With time small boards will start voicing for there rights and that will be the moment when we have stronger n neutral icc. It's just a matter of time, just relax n enjoy the moment.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on October 16, 2021, 06:44:47 PM

This is the fact and the true situation of Cricket boards. Going one by one each and every cricket board has got financial issues. Even the top order team board are into it. This won't get a conclusion or a perfection in performance until the functional governments of every country start funding. As of now I find India to be the only country that doesn't have any financial issue and the cricket board has got more deciding power than rest of the boards. This needs to change.

Well as of now no board is looking towards icc as they know how worthless icc is after the formation of big 3. Everyone board knows his survival is to stick with one of big 3. Even players are not listening to boards since they are getting huge money in IPL.

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Ramiz Raja, the chairman of Pakistan cricket board, told in an recent interview, that if ICC stop funding our board PCB, the cricket board will collapse. So in such situation , no one can speak against the policies of ICC.

This is clear example of how a board despite having talented players is sidelined because of its differences with India.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 16, 2021, 06:29:48 PM

Starting new second tier league looks odd to me when they already have few, schedule is major roadblock. IMO the best approach would be allowing foreign players to participate in Ranji, Sayed Mustaq Ali Trophy or Domestic season similar to County Cricket. It has some challenge like salary expectation for SENA players but this could be win-win situation for every party.

- Countries like SL, Ban, Afg, Ire, Zim and associates members can also take benefit. Teams like Afg, Ire and associates members don't get to play much 4 days cricket anyway.
- SENA players can finally learn how to play spin.
- Local players quality will increase and more competitive cricket in domestic arena.

**County allow 2 players in the team, BCCI can start with 1 and see how it goes

Some of the suggestions are good. Senior players like Virat and Rohit hardly takes part in domestic cricket these days, and that reduces the overall viewership and fan interest. The addition of foreign players can slightly reverse that trend. But I don't know whether the state associations would agree to this suggestion. At least a section would argue that cricket in smaller countries should not be developed at the expense of promising young cricketers in India. And for players from countries like England and Australia, the low salary will be an issue. The match fee for experienced players in Ranji Trophy is around ₹240,000 per 4-day match ($3,200).

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 16, 2021, 06:29:48 PM

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May be bit too much but I'm fan of 16 team format be it International ICC tourney or IPL so i won't mind if they give a green lights to couple of more team, if not 14. I'm not sure if its going to work out due to schedule and i'm skeptical if second tier league would be that effective in context of IPL because there is already Syed Mustaq Ali trophy running every year along with handful regional T-20 Tournaments.

Viewership is pretty low for the Syed Mustaq Ali trophy, and national players mostly avoid it. A second tier league with 4-5 foreign players in the playing XI would increase the viewership, and at the same time may give some exposure to tier-2 and tier-3 cities such as Coimbatore, Guwahati, Shimla, Srinagar and Udaipur. The English Premier League has a 20-team structure, but then it doesn't have any useless salary cap or foreign player restriction. IPL can be conducted in a similar format, but then the number of one sided matches would increase.

Starting new second tier league looks odd to me when they already have few, schedule is major roadblock. IMO the best approach would be allowing foreign players to participate in Ranji, Sayed Mustaq Ali Trophy or Domestic season similar to County Cricket. It has some challenge like salary expectation for SENA players but this could be win-win situation for every party.

- Countries like SL, Ban, Afg, Ire, Zim and associates members can also take benefit. Teams like Afg, Ire and associates members don't get to play much 4 days cricket anyway.
- SENA players can finally learn how to play spin.
- Local players quality will increase and more competitive cricket in domestic arena.

**County allow 2 players in the team, BCCI can start with 1 and see how it goes

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That's what BCCI wants Wink

It's a shame that ICC is unable to control the monopoly but unfortunately they are too late now.

According to some reports BCCI has a net worth of 2 million dollars while ICC has a net worth of 2.5 billion dollar, just half a billion more than BCCI. This can be flipped anytime.

Dominance of BCCI will remain in cricket world for at-least 2 to 3 years or may be beyond that. I really doubt that BCCI net worth is just 2 billion USD, it will be way more then that since the amount they are investing in IPL is huge. ICC major chunk of money is also coming from BCCI. Correct me if I am wrong.

Quote from: 7788bitcoin on October 15, 2021, 05:26:19 PM

Everyone else is understanding the monopoly but the other cricket boards are not protesting and if there is a combined protest do you think that the ICC will not listen to their complaints.

you are right, there are 3 big boards but there are 5 small boards also. If 2 or 3 small boards unite together then ICC has no other option left but to listen to them. But they are not doing it since they don't wanna lose IPL contracts.

First the smaller boards are not willing to unite or stand on a stance. Secondly even they combine together, they won't be able to generate the funds to support the cricket.

Ramiz Raja, the chairman of Pakistan cricket board, told in an recent interview, that if ICC stop funding our board PCB, the cricket board will collapse. So in such situation , no one can speak against the policies of ICC.

This is the fact and the true situation of Cricket boards. Going one by one each and every cricket board has got financial issues. Even the top order team board are into it. This won't get a conclusion or a perfection in performance until the functional governments of every country start funding. As of now I find India to be the only country that doesn't have any financial issue and the cricket board has got more deciding power than rest of the boards. This needs to change.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2021, 08:06:08 PM

May be bit too much but I'm fan of 16 team format be it International ICC tourney or IPL so i won't mind if they give a green lights to couple of more team, if not 14. I'm not sure if its going to work out due to schedule and i'm skeptical if second tier league would be that effective in context of IPL because there is already Syed Mustaq Ali trophy running every year along with handful regional T-20 Tournaments.

Viewership is pretty low for the Syed Mustaq Ali trophy, and national players mostly avoid it. A second tier league with 4-5 foreign players in the playing XI would increase the viewership, and at the same time may give some exposure to tier-2 and tier-3 cities such as Coimbatore, Guwahati, Shimla, Srinagar and Udaipur. The English Premier League has a 20-team structure, but then it doesn't have any useless salary cap or foreign player restriction. IPL can be conducted in a similar format, but then the number of one sided matches would increase.

Starting new second tier league looks odd to me when they already have few, schedule is major roadblock. IMO the best approach would be allowing foreign players to participate in Ranji, Sayed Mustaq Ali Trophy or Domestic season similar to County Cricket. It has some challenge like salary expectation for SENA players but this could be win-win situation for every party.

- Countries like SL, Ban, Afg, Ire, Zim and associates members can also take benefit. Teams like Afg, Ire and associates members don't get to play much 4 days cricket anyway.
- SENA players can finally learn how to play spin.
- Local players quality will increase and more competitive cricket in domestic arena.

**County allow 2 players in the team, BCCI can start with 1 and see how it goes

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Quote from: bilal_jan321 on October 16, 2021, 11:20:18 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 15, 2021, 02:04:00 PM

That's what BCCI wants Wink

It's a shame that ICC is unable to control the monopoly but unfortunately they are too late now.

According to some reports BCCI has a net worth of 2 million dollars while ICC has a net worth of 2.5 billion dollar, just half a billion more than BCCI. This can be flipped anytime.

Dominance of BCCI will remain in cricket world for at-least 2 to 3 years or may be beyond that. I really doubt that BCCI net worth is just 2 billion USD, it will be way more then that since the amount they are investing in IPL is huge. ICC major chunk of money is also coming from BCCI. Correct me if I am wrong.

Quote from: 7788bitcoin on October 15, 2021, 05:26:19 PM

Everyone else is understanding the monopoly but the other cricket boards are not protesting and if there is a combined protest do you think that the ICC will not listen to their complaints.

you are right, there are 3 big boards but there are 5 small boards also. If 2 or 3 small boards unite together then ICC has no other option left but to listen to them. But they are not doing it since they don't wanna lose IPL contracts.

First the smaller boards are not willing to unite or stand on a stance. Secondly even they combine together, they won't be able to generate the funds to support the cricket.

Ramiz Raja, the chairman of Pakistan cricket board, told in an recent interview, that if ICC stop funding our board PCB, the cricket board will collapse. So in such situation , no one can speak against the policies of ICC.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 15, 2021, 10:25:13 PM

Viewership is pretty low for the Syed Mustaq Ali trophy, and national players mostly avoid it. A second tier league with 4-5 foreign players in the playing XI would increase the viewership, and at the same time may give some exposure to tier-2 and tier-3 cities such as Coimbatore, Guwahati, Shimla, Srinagar and Udaipur. The English Premier League has a 20-team structure, but then it doesn't have any useless salary cap or foreign player restriction. IPL can be conducted in a similar format, but then the number of one sided matches would increase.

English Premier League is completely different from Indian Premier League we can't compare these because they have massive market and their few policies are also not applicable here in Indian Premier League like in few clubs they have no local player mostly dominant by foreign players and there are no restrictions from their The FA about anything. Here, you can't play more than 4 foreign players.

For me, it is good idea if they like to go all through English Premier League then surely they will be able to have massive revenue and exposure will also very big instead of current with nearly 16 to 20 teams, but it's need some very long time as well as 5 to 6 months which kill all other cricket.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 15, 2021, 02:04:00 PM

That's what BCCI wants Wink

It's a shame that ICC is unable to control the monopoly but unfortunately they are too late now.

According to some reports BCCI has a net worth of 2 million dollars while ICC has a net worth of 2.5 billion dollar, just half a billion more than BCCI. This can be flipped anytime.

Dominance of BCCI will remain in cricket world for at-least 2 to 3 years or may be beyond that. I really doubt that BCCI net worth is just 2 billion USD, it will be way more then that since the amount they are investing in IPL is huge. ICC major chunk of money is also coming from BCCI. Correct me if I am wrong.

Quote from: 7788bitcoin on October 15, 2021, 05:26:19 PM

Everyone else is understanding the monopoly but the other cricket boards are not protesting and if there is a combined protest do you think that the ICC will not listen to their complaints.

you are right, there are 3 big boards but there are 5 small boards also. If 2 or 3 small boards unite together then ICC has no other option left but to listen to them. But they are not doing it since they don't wanna lose IPL contracts.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2021, 08:06:08 PM

May be bit too much but I'm fan of 16 team format be it International ICC tourney or IPL so i won't mind if they give a green lights to couple of more team, if not 14. I'm not sure if its going to work out due to schedule and i'm skeptical if second tier league would be that effective in context of IPL because there is already Syed Mustaq Ali trophy running every year along with handful regional T-20 Tournaments.

Viewership is pretty low for the Syed Mustaq Ali trophy, and national players mostly avoid it. A second tier league with 4-5 foreign players in the playing XI would increase the viewership, and at the same time may give some exposure to tier-2 and tier-3 cities such as Coimbatore, Guwahati, Shimla, Srinagar and Udaipur. The English Premier League has a 20-team structure, but then it doesn't have any useless salary cap or foreign player restriction. IPL can be conducted in a similar format, but then the number of one sided matches would increase.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 15, 2021, 11:36:24 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2021, 09:33:57 AM

Yeah, you are right about local talent and i'm in favor of 5 foreign player in the playing XI, may be it could become reality in next 5-7 years when IPL expand to 12-14 teams, may be? Yes, There is a possibility of franchise recruiting or ending up with average or mediocre talent but i look at this differently. For young uncapped players playing in the IPL is learning platform, that's where they get to meet with top international players, top quality coaches etc. This doesn't happen in the domestic level regularly. Out of 30 uncapped players if we get 5-8 guys like Paddikal, Gaikwad, Venkatesh Iyer, Abdul Samad, Natarajan, Umran Malik etc kind of players then i would say IPL serving its purpose.

12-14 will be pushing it too far. I am not sure whether it can happen within the next decade. IPL started in 2008 and it took 14 years to expand from 8 teams to 10. The next expansion to 12 teams may also take a similar duration. Even now there are a lot of doubts about whether the 10-team format will work out properly in 2022. IMO, a better option would be to add a second tier league with 10 more teams, with the top most team being promoted to the IPL (and the lowest ranking side of the IPL relegated).

May be bit too much but I'm fan of 16 team format be it International ICC tourney or IPL so i won't mind if they give a green lights to couple of more team, if not 14. I'm not sure if its going to work out due to schedule and i'm skeptical if second tier league would be that effective in context of IPL because there is already Syed Mustaq Ali trophy running every year along with handful regional T-20 Tournaments.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 15, 2021, 02:04:00 PM

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That's what BCCI wants Wink

It's a shame that ICC is unable to control the monopoly but unfortunately they are too late now.

Everyone else is understanding the monopoly but the other cricket boards are not protesting and if there is a combined protest do you think that the ICC will not listen to their complaints.

Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 15, 2021, 02:04:00 PM

According to some reports BCCI has a net worth of 2 million dollars while ICC has a net worth of 2.5 billion dollar, just half a billion more than BCCI. This can be flipped anytime.

Looks like you wanted to say 2 billion dollars but you claimed to have 2 million. A single board is having a net worth two billion dollars is absolutely crazy and since you pin pointed this, i wanted to know the net revenue each cricket board makes.

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Quote from: coinism on October 15, 2021, 12:14:51 PM

Quote from: GbitG on October 15, 2021, 09:46:16 AM

Guys please stop this all because we have one dedicated thread for all twenty/20 related discussion so better move on and talk about this all here we have to talk about ODI is much better.

Now if anyone wants to talk about twenty/20 IPL or BBL then move here and start your discussion thanks for understanding

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102095.0;topicseen

Thanks for highlighting this issue but even then people are talking about IPL here. Since this thread is about ODIs, we dont have any ODI series going on right now as WCT20 is about to begin. People are beyond any doubt getting crazy about IPL. The way things are going very soon we will have only IPL left to discuss in whole cricket eco system.

That's what BCCI wants Wink

It's a shame that ICC is unable to control the monopoly but unfortunately they are too late now.

According to some reports BCCI has a net worth of 2 million dollars while ICC has a net worth of 2.5 billion dollar, just half a billion more than BCCI. This can be flipped anytime.

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Quote from: GbitG on October 15, 2021, 09:46:16 AM

Guys please stop this all because we have one dedicated thread for all twenty/20 related discussion so better move on and talk about this all here we have to talk about ODI is much better.

Now if anyone wants to talk about twenty/20 IPL or BBL then move here and start your discussion thanks for understanding

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102095.0;topicseen

Thanks for highlighting this issue but even then people are talking about IPL here. Since this thread is about ODIs, we dont have any ODI series going on right now as WCT20 is about to begin. People are beyond any doubt getting crazy about IPL. The way things are going very soon we will have only IPL left to discuss in whole cricket eco system.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2021, 09:33:57 AM

Yeah, you are right about local talent and i'm in favor of 5 foreign player in the playing XI, may be it could become reality in next 5-7 years when IPL expand to 12-14 teams, may be? Yes, There is a possibility of franchise recruiting or ending up with average or mediocre talent but i look at this differently. For young uncapped players playing in the IPL is learning platform, that's where they get to meet with top international players, top quality coaches etc. This doesn't happen in the domestic level regularly. Out of 30 uncapped players if we get 5-8 guys like Paddikal, Gaikwad, Venkatesh Iyer, Abdul Samad, Natarajan, Umran Malik etc kind of players then i would say IPL serving its purpose.

12-14 will be pushing it too far. I am not sure whether it can happen within the next decade. IPL started in 2008 and it took 14 years to expand from 8 teams to 10. The next expansion to 12 teams may also take a similar duration. Even now there are a lot of doubts about whether the 10-team format will work out properly in 2022. IMO, a better option would be to add a second tier league with 10 more teams, with the top most team being promoted to the IPL (and the lowest ranking side of the IPL relegated).

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on October 14, 2021, 04:44:15 PM

Do you think that adding more teams mean more competition. Even now if you look at the IPL teams only a few teams are competitive. The bottom teams are maintaining that position every season and they are not improving their performance and even if you add more teams the pool of player available for the IPL does not increase. I am not sure whether the revenue increases because there will be more matches but if you are looking at quality of matches i do not think it will make much of a difference.

Right now they are not going for quality they have intention about revenue and more profit through selling teams and their TV Rights because if they are going to extend this for 3 months then surely It's going to increase their income and profit automatically. And about quality it's never been their problem they are bringing few quality players with big amounts, and they are also giving their best even teams have nothing from this all. ICC is also had no issues with this all because their favorite boards having income without any work just through players after having 2 more teams mean more foreign players and more income for them.

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Now it's already big changes happening but sadly CA is not adopting this all because I remember few decades back there was serious issue about salaries between CA and players Association, so many players was settling in England because they have nearly doubled money from home country.

But, sadly It's still going on as now just because of BBL they already have very good money in their account and many other things also happening which give them good resources, but Board is not going to change their attitude about this. If they do not bring some changes then surely few other Leagues can take over, and they will go with their second class players in this League.

Personally I believe that the BBL salaries should be higher. If that is not possible, then they should shorten the duration. While the other leagues such as PSL and CPL gets completed in just around a month, the BBL is considerably longer and goes on for two months. Each franchise side plays a total of 14 matches in the group phase. So the work load for the players is much higher when compared to the other leagues. The Pakistan Super League has much higher salaries, and each franchise plays only 10 matches in the group stage.

Indeed, IPL- the biggest franchise cricket ends in within a month or a month and 10 days whereas BBL is a lengthy tournament. Sometimes I myself get bored of so many matches and lose track of who's playing good and who' playing bad. Another downside of longer tournaments is that it somewhat hampers International schedules and other franchise cricket as well. So I think rather than increasing the money, they should shorten the length of the tournament a bit.

BBL is not as popular as IPL therefore it seems a bit boring if the more matches are played in this league and the tournament is extended. If they pay more money to players, no one will mind the long duration of the tournament. Think about, if IPL duration is extended, there will be no objection from anyone because its popular and fans willing to see more matches.

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^ Another reason that IPL has more spotlight than BBL is maybe because IPL has been happening since a long time ago and if I'm not wrong, IPL is the first franchise cricket to be started. Also, another thing that could be a factor over here is the marketing. IPL is very heavily marketed all over the world which is not the case for BBL.

Guys please stop this all because we have one dedicated thread for all twenty/20 related discussion so better move on and talk about this all here we have to talk about ODI is much better.

Now if anyone wants to talk about twenty/20 IPL or BBL then move here and start your discussion thanks for understanding

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 14, 2021, 09:04:10 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 14, 2021, 08:08:57 PM

Yup, 10 team format from 2022 season. Close estimate would be 16 ish new foreign players (4 player in the team and 3-4 back up in the squad for each franchise) and approx 26-32 capped or uncapped local talent. So its a win-win situation for players.

I don't have an issue with the foreign players part. As we have seen for this season, the overseas players performed well for all of the franchises. Enough backup is available and some of the promising players such as Southee, Neesham, Tahir and Smith could not play because of the 4-player restriction. But the same can't be said about the local players. The franchises are struggling to recruit enough talent locally. Look at SRH and RR. Their local players have contributed hardly anything this season. I would suggest increasing the foreign player cap from 4 to 5 by next season. For the English Premier League, they don't have any such cap. So why should the IPL have one?

Yeah, you are right about local talent and i'm in favor of 5 foreign player in the playing XI, may be it could become reality in next 5-7 years when IPL expand to 12-14 teams, may be? Yes, There is a possibility of franchise recruiting or ending up with average or mediocre talent but i look at this differently. For young uncapped players playing in the IPL is learning platform, that's where they get to meet with top international players, top quality coaches etc. This doesn't happen in the domestic level regularly. Out of 30 uncapped players if we get 5-8 guys like Paddikal, Gaikwad, Venkatesh Iyer, Abdul Samad, Natarajan, Umran Malik etc kind of players then i would say IPL serving its purpose.

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^ Another reason that IPL has more spotlight than BBL is maybe because IPL has been happening since a long time ago and if I'm not wrong, IPL is the first franchise cricket to be started. Also, another thing that could be a factor over here is the marketing. IPL is very heavily marketed all over the world which is not the case for BBL.

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