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Quote from: JSRAW on March 28, 2021, 05:04:05 AM

India wasted a big opportunity after the 100+ runs opening partnership, so far all 4 wicket fell against the spinners but this time no front line spinner in the Indian squad. Gone are the days when Indian batsmen were almost invincible against the spinners. Now Pant-Pandaya against the spinners, this should be fun for the audience.

India all out for 329 and England needs to score at a rate of 6.60 per over. England would be really happy with the fight back from their bowlers. For India, Pant and Hardik put up another solid middle order partnership, but there was very little support once both of them got out. Shardul and Krunal added valuable runs, but they looked to be in a hurry and got out. They should have at least batted for the full 50 overs.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 28, 2021, 05:04:05 AM

India wasted a big opportunity after the 100+ runs opening partnership, so far all 4 wicket fell against the spinners but this time no front line spinner in the Indian squad. Gone are the days when Indian batsmen were almost invincible against the spinners. Now Pant-Pandaya against the spinners, this should be fun for the audience.

India is cruising at a good run rate of over 7 but they lost 5 wickets and Pandya brothers are in the crease and 13 more overs left for the match and they need to build a huge partnership if India needs to win as England is also in tremendous form and they has the team to chase any score and anything below 360 runs England will chase them easily .

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India wasted a big opportunity after the 100+ runs opening partnership, so far all 4 wicket fell against the spinners but this time no front line spinner in the Indian squad. Gone are the days when Indian batsmen were almost invincible against the spinners. Now Pant-Pandaya against the spinners, this should be fun for the audience.

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In this match if England stops India within 300, then England will play with more confidence. With the previous match performance England seems to be stronger, and India will be under pressure. However the openers always have a big thing to do in the match. Lets see who is gonna make a turning point in the match.

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And just like that Kohli lost the toss again! England bowling first. Hopefully Shikhar-Rohit clicks today.

For England Mark wood replacing Tom Curran and For India Natarajan in and Kuldeep out - no chahal-

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 27, 2021, 10:05:11 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on March 27, 2021, 06:49:50 PM

The ODI series decider is today and England will be looking to win the match and series as they had a disappointing tour loosing the Test series and T20 series and if they could win this match they could win one series and the trouble with India is that the England batsman are playing well against the Indian spinners and they are struggling to control the run flow.

I expect Yuzvendra Chahal will be back in the team and Washington Sundar to replace Krunal Pandya.

For England, there are two problematic spots. First one is their bowling in the depth overs (they conceded 127 runs during overs 41-50 in the second match, and a total of 115 runs during the first match). If they continue to concede 100 plus runs in the last 10 overs, then the chances of a win will remain low. The second factor is the weakness with their middle and lower order, although the inclusion of Liam Livingstone seems to have strengthened them.

I think that's due to Jofra Archer not being in the side due to injury. He is one of the main death bowlers that England has without him the bowling attack of England looks pretty weak. So all they have to play is their batting attack. I think they should once again ensure that they should bat second so as to play at their strength in the second half of the game.

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As per Google India's chance of winning this match is higher than England.

Hahaha

Does Google took account of Kohstrategy, suckshikharism, cutespins algorithm?

If not then result is going to be same as 2nd match. I would like if Virat wins the toss today and field first.

I don't think it's winning algo or something what if it's just fan score decided by more number of search for a particular team or what Cheesy

Google does crazy things sometimes or maybe they have given 5% home team edge to India.

Edit: haha here we go again. England wins the toss and choose to field first.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 27, 2021, 11:30:10 PM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on March 27, 2021, 10:07:32 PM

As per Google India's chance of winning this match is higher than England.

Hahaha

Does Google took account of Kohstrategy, suckshikharism, cutespins algorithm?

If not then result is going to be same as 2nd match. I would like if Virat wins the toss today and field first.

I do not know what algorithm they are using but the before match ein probability score is pretty much accurate. I does changes after the match starts depending on the situation.

According to Google the win probability is 54 percent for India. It is not that big but I hope it becomes a reality.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on March 27, 2021, 10:07:32 PM

As per Google India's chance of winning this match is higher than England.

Hahaha

Does Google took account of Kohstrategy, suckshikharism, cutespins algorithm?

If not then result is going to be same as 2nd match. I would like if Virat wins the toss today and field first.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on March 27, 2021, 06:49:50 PM

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But there is also some concern with the captain as well because he keeps repeating the spinners when they are going for too many runs, Bhuvi should come earlier when stokes targeting the spinners and also this match proves why the 6th bowling option is important.

The ODI series decider is today and England will be looking to win the match and series as they had a disappointing tour loosing the Test series and T20 series and if they could win this match they could win one series and the trouble with India is that the England batsman are playing well against the Indian spinners and they are struggling to control the run flow.

I expect Yuzvendra Chahal will be back in the team and Washington Sundar to replace Krunal Pandya.

Yes, this is the decider match and Kohli will not be intrested in taking any risk. After the poor performance of krunal and kuldeep in the last match the chance of chahal included in this match is very high. Kohli also needs to think his strategy for this match as some of the English batsmen are now playing good spin ball.

This will be a close match as being the decider. As per Google India's chance of winning this match is higher than England.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on March 27, 2021, 06:49:50 PM

The ODI series decider is today and England will be looking to win the match and series as they had a disappointing tour loosing the Test series and T20 series and if they could win this match they could win one series and the trouble with India is that the England batsman are playing well against the Indian spinners and they are struggling to control the run flow.

I expect Yuzvendra Chahal will be back in the team and Washington Sundar to replace Krunal Pandya.

For England, there are two problematic spots. First one is their bowling in the depth overs (they conceded 127 runs during overs 41-50 in the second match, and a total of 115 runs during the first match). If they continue to concede 100 plus runs in the last 10 overs, then the chances of a win will remain low. The second factor is the weakness with their middle and lower order, although the inclusion of Liam Livingstone seems to have strengthened them.

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Quote from: mersal on March 27, 2021, 02:41:42 PM

But there is also some concern with the captain as well because he keeps repeating the spinners when they are going for too many runs, Bhuvi should come earlier when stokes targeting the spinners and also this match proves why the 6th bowling option is important.

The ODI series decider is today and England will be looking to win the match and series as they had a disappointing tour loosing the Test series and T20 series and if they could win this match they could win one series and the trouble with India is that the England batsman are playing well against the Indian spinners and they are struggling to control the run flow.

I expect Yuzvendra Chahal will be back in the team and Washington Sundar to replace Krunal Pandya.

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Quote from: teosanru on March 27, 2021, 02:19:45 PM

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No No obviously I was not judging him on the basis of this match only. I don't really agree with his role as a bowler. I mean he is useful sometimes but he is far away from being Jadeja to this team and secondly, he is slightly aged. He is kind of starting his career at age of 30 and won't be able to play for more than 4-5 years. If you give him 1-2 years to secure his place in the team he won't be able to serve the team for more than 2-3 years after that. So instead we should focus more on younger players who can serve the teams for 10 years or more. Sundar is just 21 years in age if you give him 2 years to get the best form he can be the next Kumble for India with much better batting for at least next 12 years.

Jadeja is a proven player and players like Krunal Pandya and Washington Sundar got the opportunities to play because of his injury. India is in a good spot as they are having a lot of talented players and age should not be a factor if they are performing well and they are rotating the players trying to find the best combinations and apart from a couple of players none of the spots are secure.

True but I think this would hurt India in the longer-term. I think cricket is a sport where you have to develop a player after giving him chances. You can see a lot of examples. Rohit Sharma didn't do any good to the team for the first 50 Matches but once the team developed him as an opener he is in a different tone. A very recent example is Rishab Pant who was consistently disappointing us but after the Australian tour has emerged as a Hero and would obviously go along for very long in the team. If we would just play based on the current best combination. We won't be able to make a lot of legendary players for the Country.

One bad game should never evaluate the full potential of a player s blaming one bowler isn't fair and also the pitch looks too flat and it was one of the matches where the maximum sixes scored of all time, so understand how good the pitch was to bat on. But there is also some concern with the captain as well because he keeps repeating the spinners when they are going for too many runs, Bhuvi should come earlier when stokes targeting the spinners and also this match proves why the 6th bowling option is important.

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Quote from: ene1980 on March 27, 2021, 02:10:45 PM

Quote from: teosanru on March 27, 2021, 12:18:54 PM

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No No obviously I was not judging him on the basis of this match only. I don't really agree with his role as a bowler. I mean he is useful sometimes but he is far away from being Jadeja to this team and secondly, he is slightly aged. He is kind of starting his career at age of 30 and won't be able to play for more than 4-5 years. If you give him 1-2 years to secure his place in the team he won't be able to serve the team for more than 2-3 years after that. So instead we should focus more on younger players who can serve the teams for 10 years or more. Sundar is just 21 years in age if you give him 2 years to get the best form he can be the next Kumble for India with much better batting for at least next 12 years.

Jadeja is a proven player and players like Krunal Pandya and Washington Sundar got the opportunities to play because of his injury. India is in a good spot as they are having a lot of talented players and age should not be a factor if they are performing well and they are rotating the players trying to find the best combinations and apart from a couple of players none of the spots are secure.

True but I think this would hurt India in the longer-term. I think cricket is a sport where you have to develop a player after giving him chances. You can see a lot of examples. Rohit Sharma didn't do any good to the team for the first 50 Matches but once the team developed him as an opener he is in a different tone. A very recent example is Rishab Pant who was consistently disappointing us but after the Australian tour has emerged as a Hero and would obviously go along for very long in the team. If we would just play based on the current best combination. We won't be able to make a lot of legendary players for the Country.

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Quote from: teosanru on March 27, 2021, 12:18:54 PM

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No No obviously I was not judging him on the basis of this match only. I don't really agree with his role as a bowler. I mean he is useful sometimes but he is far away from being Jadeja to this team and secondly, he is slightly aged. He is kind of starting his career at age of 30 and won't be able to play for more than 4-5 years. If you give him 1-2 years to secure his place in the team he won't be able to serve the team for more than 2-3 years after that. So instead we should focus more on younger players who can serve the teams for 10 years or more. Sundar is just 21 years in age if you give him 2 years to get the best form he can be the next Kumble for India with much better batting for at least next 12 years.

Jadeja is a proven player and players like Krunal Pandya and Washington Sundar got the opportunities to play because of his injury. India is in a good spot as they are having a lot of talented players and age should not be a factor if they are performing well and they are rotating the players trying to find the best combinations and apart from a couple of players none of the spots are secure.

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Quote from: ene1980 on March 26, 2021, 03:06:03 PM

Quote from: teosanru on March 26, 2021, 01:47:19 PM

I never liked Krunal too. If you just want a bowling All-Rounder on your side Washington Sundar is a much better option to have. Moreover, with lots of pace-bowling all-rounder, these days even going with two full-time spinners is an option. I feel Ashwin should come back in one day too, he never did anything wrong to be dropped off from the ODI or T20 Squad it was just the craze towards unorthodox bowlers.

Krunal Pandya played his second game and give him some time, today all the bowlers went for runs and you cannot blame him because of one game, he batted well in his debut match and i have seen him striking the ball well in IPL, so you have to give him the opportunity to show his skills. Even i have no idea why Ashwin is not in the shorter format as he is one of the best spinners India had and yet he is not included in the team.

No No obviously I was not judging him on the basis of this match only. I don't really agree with his role as a bowler. I mean he is useful sometimes but he is far away from being Jadeja to this team and secondly, he is slightly aged. He is kind of starting his career at age of 30 and won't be able to play for more than 4-5 years. If you give him 1-2 years to secure his place in the team he won't be able to serve the team for more than 2-3 years after that. So instead we should focus more on younger players who can serve the teams for 10 years or more. Sundar is just 21 years in age if you give him 2 years to get the best form he can be the next Kumble for India with much better batting for at least next 12 years.

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Quote from: Maheshkumar_Hrangkhawl on March 27, 2021, 08:51:41 AM

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I still think India needs a spinner like Ashwin in ODI's. Chahal is good in T20's and Kuldeep in Tests as a backup but Ashwin and Jadeja combo in ODI's will be lethal.

For the 3rd ODI India must opt Chahal for sure ahead of Kuldeep and they really need a 6th bowler. Playing with 5 bowlers is not suited to India.

They had the 6th bowler in Hardik Pandya, but he couldn't bowl due to injury. And that was the reason why the Indian captain was overdependent on Krunal Pandya and Kuldeep Yadav, despite they being expensive. I don't know whether Chahal is the right choice here. He is a wicket taking bowler, but his economy rate is not good. Given the fact that the England batsmen are in good form, I won't be surprised if he goes for 7-8 runs per over.

I think Hardik Pandya recovered from that injury and he even bowled few days back in the T20 matches but not bowling on ODI is the real question. He may not be completely fit to bowl 10 overs but bowling 5 overs is enough for the 6th bowler.

And for the 3rd ODI, Chahal was in for sure in my opinion because there is no other better bowler for spin in the squad right now.

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Quote from: cosmicbtc on March 27, 2021, 12:10:18 AM

I still think India needs a spinner like Ashwin in ODI's. Chahal is good in T20's and Kuldeep in Tests as a backup but Ashwin and Jadeja combo in ODI's will be lethal.

For the 3rd ODI India must opt Chahal for sure ahead of Kuldeep and they really need a 6th bowler. Playing with 5 bowlers is not suited to India.

They had the 6th bowler in Hardik Pandya, but he couldn't bowl due to injury. And that was the reason why the Indian captain was overdependent on Krunal Pandya and Kuldeep Yadav, despite they being expensive. I don't know whether Chahal is the right choice here. He is a wicket taking bowler, but his economy rate is not good. Given the fact that the England batsmen are in good form, I won't be surprised if he goes for 7-8 runs per over.

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Quote from: cosmicbtc on March 27, 2021, 12:10:18 AM

For the 3rd ODI India must opt Chahal for sure ahead of Kuldeep and they really need a 6th bowler. Playing with 5 bowlers is not suited to India.

They already have the sixth bowler but not sure why they did not give him the ball for last 2 matches. Yes, I am just talking about Hardik Pandya who bowled all allocated 4 overs in T20 matches against England but never given a chance in ODIs; really surprising, might be any fitness reason. That Pune pitch must a typical Indian soil pitch where toss decides the match winner; do not ask me about the first ODI of this series where England threw away their wickets after Roy and Bairstow stand.

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 26, 2021, 10:33:05 PM

England were at 287/4 and a couple of additional wickets would have given advantage for India.

I don't think so. England were 287/4 at 36.1 overs which means even another 2 or 3 wickets may not produce any change in the final result by considering the batting depth of them until Reece Topley and for the scenarios of requiring another 50 runs from 14 overs.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on March 26, 2021, 12:58:31 PM

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Kuldeep seems to losing his marbles and his confidence going down the drain, his place is not fixed in the any playing XI and he keep traveling with the squad. It would be good if he spend some time in domestic arena so that he can gets some match practice and wickets.

The carnage we witnessed today, it seemed like Indians were 50-70 runs short lol

Kuldeep Yadav is in and out of the team and even when he is in the squad he will not get all the matches and he is lacking match practice, he should be allowed to play domestic season to sharp his bowling but today the England batsman were brutal to every bowler as they were clearing the boundary with ease and unless you have two good bowlers there it is a difficult task to defend any score especially with a batting lineup like England.

Apart from that another concern is our openers are not taking game further in 1st power play when fielding restrictions are in place, they keep following conservative approach of -Dig in- and in doing so they are getting out. On the other hand England openers are providing excellent start for their team.

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I still think India needs a spinner like Ashwin in ODI's. Chahal is good in T20's and Kuldeep in Tests as a backup but Ashwin and Jadeja combo in ODI's will be lethal.

For the 3rd ODI India must opt Chahal for sure ahead of Kuldeep and they really need a 6th bowler. Playing with 5 bowlers is not suited to India.

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