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One fella want to explore space and some still trying to enter in Kashmir so i would suggest that next time try not to entertain such comments and just ignore it. No point wasting your breathe.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 19, 2021, 03:27:08 AM

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One fella want to explore space and some still trying to enter in Kashmir so i would suggest that next time try not to entertain such comments and just ignore it. No point wasting your breathe.

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Quote from: GbitG on September 19, 2021, 04:01:53 PM

I am not forgetting anything but right now situation is not like in 2002 but still few peoples spreading feuds like this here all things going normal just Taliban take over in Afghanistan is hurting badly too few countries as they lost some big amount and few lost their supremacy. If England does not come, then still we will eat food and sleep well.

It is wrong to blame the ECB or CNZ for their decision not to tour countries like Pakistan. These boards need to follow the directives from their governments. And in case of CNZ, it was the New Zealand prime minister (Jacinda Ardern), who took the decision to cancel the tour. And let me remind you of one more thing. This is not the first time these boards have done that. Even during the 2003 world cup, there were a couple of incidents when teams refused to tour Kenya and Zimbabwe for security reasons.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 19, 2021, 03:27:08 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 18, 2021, 12:53:13 AM

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Why you close your eyes when you see what Indian armed forces are doing in
Kashmir's. Indian cried when they saw united state moved out of Afghanistan and they will cry again when the Kashmiri's will get the freedom.

No idea what you are talking about, what is shown in your media should be fake, i have being to that place a few times and i have friends in that region and i have not seen or heard about these things from them. Yes i oppose what the BJP government did by limiting Internet connection whenever there is a protest. When it comes to armed forced yes there was a problem 25 plus years back and majority of the individual that were responsible were court martialed but you cannot repeat the same thing as if it happened yesterday.

Either you are pretending to be ignorant just like the Endian Media or you really don't know the reality. Closing your eyes won't solve the issues.

Anyways this is not the right thread to discuss the political things, so if you further want to discuss on it i can create a separate thread in politics section.

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Quote from: GbitG on September 19, 2021, 04:01:53 PM

I am not forgetting anything but right now situation is not like in 2002 but still few peoples spreading feuds like this here all things going normal just Taliban take over in Afghanistan is hurting badly too few countries as they lost some big amount and few lost their supremacy. If England does not come, then still we will eat food and sleep well.

Obviously it is not a life or death situation for the Pakistani cricket fans. If the ECB refuses to tour Pakistan, then the series will be played in UAE or some other neutral destination. But in the end, the PCB will lose money, as they need to provide funds to the Emirates Cricket Board. Also, I am not sure how these things will impact the PSL. More than the bilateral tours, PCB will be more concerned about the PSL. Because nowadays franchise cricket leagues are the major revenue earners for many of the cricket boards.

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Quote from: GbitG on September 19, 2021, 02:24:14 PM

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Please don't spread rumours as we have nothing serious with this all because we know all about this what's going on mostly few peoples spreading matters about this series on social media otherwise nothing serious happening, but PCB Chairman is going to talk about this in ICC meeting which is also creating just some noise nothing else because we know all top 4 boards against us, so we have to continue here with this all for some time.

Looks like you forgot the reason why cricket was not played in Pakistan for over a decade, Sri Lankan players were attacked in 2009 when the players were approaching the stadium and the terrorist were targeting the bus they were travelling and many of the players were injured and in another firing one of the umpires were shot and these are not rumors but what really happened and this is not the first time New Zealand cancelling a tour in Pakistan, back in 2002 they packed their bags and went home when there was a bomb blast near their hotel.

A few days more and we will see whether England will tour Pakistan under these circumstances.

I am not forgetting anything but right now situation is not like in 2002 but still few peoples spreading feuds like this here all things going normal just Taliban take over in Afghanistan is hurting badly too few countries as they lost some big amount and few lost their supremacy. If England does not come, then still we will eat food and sleep well.

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Quote from: GbitG on September 19, 2021, 02:24:14 PM

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Please don't spread rumours as we have nothing serious with this all because we know all about this what's going on mostly few peoples spreading matters about this series on social media otherwise nothing serious happening, but PCB Chairman is going to talk about this in ICC meeting which is also creating just some noise nothing else because we know all top 4 boards against us, so we have to continue here with this all for some time.

Looks like you forgot the reason why cricket was not played in Pakistan for over a decade, Sri Lankan players were attacked in 2009 when the players were approaching the stadium and the terrorist were targeting the bus they were travelling and many of the players were injured and in another firing one of the umpires were shot and these are not rumors but what really happened and this is not the first time New Zealand cancelling a tour in Pakistan, back in 2002 they packed their bags and went home when there was a bomb blast near their hotel.

A few days more and we will see whether England will tour Pakistan under these circumstances.

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ECB was next country to tour Pakistan and there new decision is also coming in day or two. There are firm chances that there decision will also be in negative. I feel sorry for PCB and all cricketing fans in Pakistan, as its totally unethical to cancel tour in this manner.
I don't think PCB can do much about it in ICC, as PCB is not very strong board compared to CNZ. You are right in saying that Cricket is no more game of gentleman, as boards having adequate money can turn ICC in there favor.

There is no surprises here, England will pull out of the tournament and ECB will come out with the same statement like the New Zealand cricket board that they got news about the security threat. I am not sure about the real situation why New Zealand pulled out at the last moment even when their team was literally on the ground. There is a lot of protest coming out from Pakistan regarding the pull out from many former players.

Please don't spread rumours as we have nothing serious with this all because we know all about this what's going on mostly few peoples spreading matters about this series on social media otherwise nothing serious happening, but PCB Chairman is going to talk about this in ICC meeting which is also creating just some noise nothing else because we know all top 4 boards against us, so we have to continue here with this all for some time.

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Quote from: bitgov on September 19, 2021, 12:37:39 PM

ECB was next country to tour Pakistan and there new decision is also coming in day or two. There are firm chances that there decision will also be in negative. I feel sorry for PCB and all cricketing fans in Pakistan, as its totally unethical to cancel tour in this manner.
I don't think PCB can do much about it in ICC, as PCB is not very strong board compared to CNZ. You are right in saying that Cricket is no more game of gentleman, as boards having adequate money can turn ICC in there favor.

There is no surprises here, England will pull out of the tournament and ECB will come out with the same statement like the New Zealand cricket board that they got news about the security threat. I am not sure about the real situation why New Zealand pulled out at the last moment even when their team was literally on the ground. There is a lot of protest coming out from Pakistan regarding the pull out from many former players.

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Quote from: add1ct3dd on September 19, 2021, 09:03:20 AM

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As I already mention now cricket is not Gentlemen's game because after introduction of IPL money is very serious factor, and it's working around for BCCI they can afford too much luxury but still about this tour its have some other facts as well because recently we have some big changes around Pakistan which cause serious damage for few countries, so they never forget this all and try to have done something against them.

It's very long debate and I don't want to spam here about this all just want to say here in this tour cancellation is not fair enough but now done, so we have to look forward what is next coming hopefully some clear reports will appear, and we all will be able to check what was exact happen.

ECB was next country to tour Pakistan and there new decision is also coming in day or two. There are firm chances that there decision will also be in negative. I feel sorry for PCB and all cricketing fans in Pakistan, as its totally unethical to cancel tour in this manner.
I don't think PCB can do much about it in ICC, as PCB is not very strong board compared to CNZ. You are right in saying that Cricket is no more game of gentleman, as boards having adequate money can turn ICC in there favor.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 19, 2021, 03:27:08 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 18, 2021, 12:53:13 AM

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Why you close your eyes when you see what Indian armed forces are doing in
Kashmir's. Indian cried when they saw united state moved out of Afghanistan and they will cry again when the Kashmiri's will get the freedom.

No idea what you are talking about, what is shown in your media should be fake, i have being to that place a few times and i have friends in that region and i have not seen or heard about these things from them. Yes i oppose what the BJP government did by limiting Internet connection whenever there is a protest. When it comes to armed forced yes there was a problem 25 plus years back and majority of the individual that were responsible were court martialed but you cannot repeat the same thing as if it happened yesterday.

As I already mention now cricket is not Gentlemen's game because after introduction of IPL money is very serious factor, and it's working around for BCCI they can afford too much luxury but still about this tour its have some other facts as well because recently we have some big changes around Pakistan which cause serious damage for few countries, so they never forget this all and try to have done something against them.

It's very long debate and I don't want to spam here about this all just want to say here in this tour cancellation is not fair enough but now done, so we have to look forward what is next coming hopefully some clear reports will appear, and we all will be able to check what was exact happen.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 19, 2021, 03:27:08 AM

Do you think that the New Zealand board will be benefiting if the players participated in the IPL if that is your argument. What money and political influence led to the cancellation of the tour. If you can make that clear it would be great. I have no idea about the exact reason and i am sure the New Zealand board will give a detailed report to the ICC regarding this.

The IPL connection is actually funny. I don't think that anyone in the squad that toured Pakistan was having an IPL contract. The big names, such as Jamieson and Williamson were not part of the touring squad. Obviously the NZ board will gain a lot, because the BCCI pays around 20% of the contract value as "foreigner release fee" (BCCI wants to cut down this amount, but the ICC has remained firm so far). RCB's contract with Kyle Jamieson alone accounts for a payment of $420,000 per year for the NZC. For the boards like CSA, CA, WICB, NZC and ECB, this amount represents a significant chunk of their annual budget.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 18, 2021, 12:53:13 AM

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Why you close your eyes when you see what Indian armed forces are doing in
Kashmir's. Indian cried when they saw united state moved out of Afghanistan and they will cry again when the Kashmiri's will get the freedom.

No idea what you are talking about, what is shown in your media should be fake, i have being to that place a few times and i have friends in that region and i have not seen or heard about these things from them. Yes i oppose what the BJP government did by limiting Internet connection whenever there is a protest. When it comes to armed forced yes there was a problem 25 plus years back and majority of the individual that were responsible were court martialed but you cannot repeat the same thing as if it happened yesterday.

Quote from: Webetcoins on September 18, 2021, 03:41:14 AM

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Currently, situation was very clear, and many kiwi players was also happy with this tour and security arrangements but still this happens mean now we have no manners just money and political influence is too much working around the sports globe.

Do you think that the New Zealand board will be benefiting if the players participated in the IPL if that is your argument. What money and political influence led to the cancellation of the tour. If you can make that clear it would be great. I have no idea about the exact reason and i am sure the New Zealand board will give a detailed report to the ICC regarding this.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 18, 2021, 12:53:13 AM

This thread is becoming way too political. Lets keep it to cricket and yes , the reason for all this is IPL Cheesy

Well.. you also feel that the tour was cancelled for political reasons. IPL may or may not have played a part in this decision. It's like the Kiwi players need IPL and the fat paychecks it offer, much more than the IPL needs these players. Apart from a few like Trent Boult, Kyle Jamieson and Kane Williamson, there are very few New Zealand players who can't be replaced with others (and these players were not part of the NZ squad to Pakistan). So it is not the right thing to do if you blame the IPL for the pullout. Also, if that was the case then why should they wait until 5 minutes to the start of the play for the first match?

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 18, 2021, 12:53:13 AM

How is the involvement of Pakistan in Afghanistan is not noble ? Why you close your eyes when you see what Indian armed forces are doing in
Kashmir's. Indian cried when they saw united state moved out of Afghanistan and they will cry again when the Kashmiri's will get the freedom.

After recent New Zealand decision that they are pulling out of this series is had very bad impact even it's not happening first time because we watch many times things like this happen but without any solid proof and just on political basis it's murder of gentlemen's game by really gentle persons in cricket.

Currently, situation was very clear, and many kiwi players was also happy with this tour and security arrangements but still this happens mean now we have no manners just money and political influence is too much working around the sports globe.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 18, 2021, 12:30:29 AM

Shifting the responsibility doesn't work. New Zealand cancelled the tour, because of the chances of a terror attack was high. Probably the CIA or some other foreign agency informed the New Zealand government about this. Otherwise, why should they pullout at the last minute? There should be some credible reason. And before blaming Mudi, Pakistan should analyze their own record. Their recent involvement in Afghanistan wasn't very noble. If the security situation doesn't improve, then I am afraid that more and more teams would refuse to tour Pakistan.

How is the involvement of Pakistan in Afghanistan is not noble ? Why you close your eyes when you see what Indian armed forces are doing in
Kashmir's. Indian cried when they saw united state moved out of Afghanistan and they will cry again when the Kashmiri's will get the freedom.
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This thread is becoming way too political. Lets keep it to cricket and yes , the reason for all this is IPL Cheesy

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Quote from: wayne_kenoff on September 17, 2021, 11:22:31 PM

They should stop this habit of making Modi responsible for everything.

I wonder if one day they will say that all the babies born there , are buz of Modi Shocked

Shifting the responsibility doesn't work. New Zealand cancelled the tour, because of the chances of a terror attack was high. Probably the CIA or some other foreign agency informed the New Zealand government about this. Otherwise, why should they pullout at the last minute? There should be some credible reason. And before blaming Mudi, Pakistan should analyze their own record. Their recent involvement in Afghanistan wasn't very noble. If the security situation doesn't improve, then I am afraid that more and more teams would refuse to tour Pakistan.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 17, 2021, 06:44:50 PM

BTW this is hilarious for anything wrong in Pakistan the official and unofficial stance is MUDI did it. Grin

They should stop this habit of making Modi responsible for everything.

I wonder if one day they will say that all the babies born there , are buz of Modi Shocked

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 17, 2021, 06:44:50 PM

BTW this is hilarious for anything wrong in Pakistan the official and unofficial stance is MUDI did it. Grin

The financial loss is big for PCB and Pakistan reputation has again been tarnished. I do not understand what intelligence input was provided to NZ that they cancelled the match just before the toss. If there was an issue with security then NZ should not entered Pakistan in the first instance.

And even more funny is the fact that the left-wing in my state consider the prime minister of New Zealand (Jacinda Ardern) as their favorite leader, and when I debate with them they always say that instead of Mudi, they prefer Ardern as the PM. And many of the Pakistanis were praising her, for her regular appearances in hijab, and for the fact that she had increased the immigration to New Zealand from Islamic countries. Now almost overnight, the situation seems to have turned upside down, and the same people who once showered praises on Ardern are badmouthing her.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 17, 2021, 11:03:45 AM

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 17, 2021, 10:51:12 AM

No, you Endians should stop spreading your propaganda !! Its well known fact that Sourav Ganguly called the NZ Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and told her to cancelled the tour.

No please, Sourav Ganguly don't have guts to call the NZ prime minister. It happened at the upper level

The below picture tell you exactly how it happened. Wink

Mudi shoud rejine Grin

BTW this is hilarious for anything wrong in Pakistan the official and unofficial stance is MUDI did it. Grin

The financial loss is big for PCB and Pakistan reputation has again been tarnished. I do not understand what intelligence input was provided to NZ that they cancelled the match just before the toss. If there was an issue with security then NZ should not entered Pakistan in the first instance.

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