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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 23, 2021, 10:59:58 PM

I agree to a certain extent that BCCI influences ICC decisions, but think practically without BCCI IPL many boards would be facing revenues crunch, and they pay to all the boards whose player’s are participating so it’s a win win for all.

Also as fans we wanted more T20 so what was ICC going to do ignore the fans voices?, and now when we have more T20 we blame ICC for not doing enough not sure who’s to be blamed the fans or ICC?.

IPL benefits only a few boards such as WICB, CA, ECB and CNZ (because the IPL pays 20% of the player's salary as foreigner release fee). Smaller boards as well as the PCB don't benefit, as they don't have anyone from their country playing in the IPL. And I don't know whether the ICC receives anything from the IPL revenues (my guess is that they don't).

Now coming to T20, I agree that this is the most popular format as of now. But the ICC is still headed by traditionalists and for them the test cricket is first priority. Take the case with any full member. On average, the national teams spend 50-60 days each playing test cricket every year. For ODI, this waters down to 20-30 days, and for T20I, the number is even lower.

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Quote from: bitgov on September 23, 2021, 01:31:15 PM

Everyone says that neutral ICC must be authority to control all cricketing affairs of the world but in reality its not happening. Whats the way forward, is there any practical solution to this?
We will continue to discuss this but big 3 and there allies will dominate the administration of cricket. I dont think in near future we have neutral and fully empowered ICC.

Even most of the peoples denying, but one thing is sure this IPL factor is surely working in this all because it's giving some good enough money to BCCI, and they are sharing with few boards like CA, ECB and CNZ as their players are too much involved in IPL three boards very strong and one is their ally, so they are taking good advantage of this all but its already killed beauty of this game.

In near future we will have some more issues like this then surely these are going to be having Karma for this all, and they have to pay for this unsporting behavior nature never allow this all it's take his own revenge but if they want to do some better than surely they need to think about this right now and play fair game with all.

Cricket is no more a gentlemen game. When money is involved you will always support that board which makes more money than those who rely on it. It is not BCCI's fault that they have created a tournament that pays well not only to the players but to other boards associated with it. ICC does not have anything to do with domestic tournaments but the governing body has representatives who are part of the poor board. Why don't these members raise their voices against such issues? You cannot blame only the rich boards here.

I agree to a certain extent that BCCI influences ICC decisions, but think practically without BCCI IPL many boards would be facing revenues crunch, and they pay to all the boards whose player’s are participating so it’s a win win for all.

Also as fans we wanted more T20 so what was ICC going to do ignore the fans voices?, and now when we have more T20 we blame ICC for not doing enough not sure who’s to be blamed the fans or ICC?.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 23, 2021, 06:34:59 PM

I wouldn't say that quality is not there. You can easily find 8-10 quality teams who can beat any SENA country domestic team here in India 9 out of 10 times and able to put good show in SENA country against local teams. Even 3-4 local teams can give good scare to any touring team (intl), we have seen this in the past countless time.

County cricket also struggling, pitches there are ridiculously favors the fast bowlers that's why you see 4 days match gets done and dusted in just 2 days regularly.

In county cricket, almost all of the 18 teams are at the same level. But in the Indian domestic cricket, out of the 38 teams you have 4-5 extremely good teams such as Karnataka, Delhi and Mumbai, and then on the other end of the spectrum you have a few teams who are there just to make up the numbers (Sikkim, Mizoram.etc). Personally I favor organizing Indian domestic cricket in the form of zonal sides - such as Northern Zone and Central Zone. There are too many state sides and the quality gets diluted when you form the state-based squads.

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Quote from: add1ct3dd on September 23, 2021, 04:44:18 PM

Quote from: bitgov on September 23, 2021, 01:31:15 PM

Everyone says that neutral ICC must be authority to control all cricketing affairs of the world but in reality its not happening. Whats the way forward, is there any practical solution to this?
We will continue to discuss this but big 3 and there allies will dominate the administration of cricket. I dont think in near future we have neutral and fully empowered ICC.

Even most of the peoples denying, but one thing is sure this IPL factor is surely working in this all because it's giving some good enough money to BCCI, and they are sharing with few boards like CA, ECB and CNZ as their players are too much involved in IPL three boards very strong and one is their ally, so they are taking good advantage of this all but its already killed beauty of this game.

In near future we will have some more issues like this then surely these are going to be having Karma for this all, and they have to pay for this unsporting behavior nature never allow this all it's take his own revenge but if they want to do some better than surely they need to think about this right now and play fair game with all.

Cricket is no more a gentlemen game. When money is involved you will always support that board which makes more money than those who rely on it. It is not BCCI's fault that they have created a tournament that pays well not only to the players but to other boards associated with it. ICC does not have anything to do with domestic tournaments but the governing body has representatives who are part of the poor board. Why don't these members raise their voices against such issues? You cannot blame only the rich boards here.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 23, 2021, 06:34:59 PM

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County cricket also struggling, pitches there are ridiculously favors the fast bowlers that's why you see 4 days match gets done and dusted in just 2 days regularly.

If they could make the same pitches for international cricket that would be great, the game now a days favors the batsman and they need to be bowler friendly as well just to test the players and which county matches are you talking about that ends in a couple of days. I am not a big fan of watching all the matches but i am curious to know which matches are bowler friendly as i would like to see those matches.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 21, 2021, 03:14:14 AM

Also one good announcement for domestic cricketers

https://twitter.com/JayShah/status/1439887126049394690

This one just came at the right time. So they are getting an increment from ₹35,000 per day to ₹60,000 (although limited to players who have represented the state in more than 40 matches). The BCCI should focus more on the domestic cricket. The quality is noway near the competitions in England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa or West Indies. Right now a huge gap exists in the quality between the IPL and domestic cricket. One good initiative would be to introduce franchise system with the domestic teams as well.

I wouldn't say that quality is not there. You can easily find 8-10 quality teams who can beat any SENA country domestic team here in India 9 out of 10 times and able to put good show in SENA country against local teams. Even 3-4 local teams can give good scare to any touring team (intl), we have seen this in the past countless time.

County cricket also struggling, pitches there are ridiculously favors the fast bowlers that's why you see 4 days match gets done and dusted in just 2 days regularly.

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Quote from: bitgov on September 23, 2021, 01:31:15 PM

Everyone says that neutral ICC must be authority to control all cricketing affairs of the world but in reality its not happening. Whats the way forward, is there any practical solution to this?
We will continue to discuss this but big 3 and there allies will dominate the administration of cricket. I dont think in near future we have neutral and fully empowered ICC.

Even most of the peoples denying, but one thing is sure this IPL factor is surely working in this all because it's giving some good enough money to BCCI, and they are sharing with few boards like CA, ECB and CNZ as their players are too much involved in IPL three boards very strong and one is their ally, so they are taking good advantage of this all but its already killed beauty of this game.

In near future we will have some more issues like this then surely these are going to be having Karma for this all, and they have to pay for this unsporting behavior nature never allow this all it's take his own revenge but if they want to do some better than surely they need to think about this right now and play fair game with all.

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Quote from: kro55 on September 23, 2021, 05:27:41 AM

The ICC is now only for weaker boards. The ICC continues to exert its influence on weak and financially poor boards. On the other hand, the big cricket boards are always doing what they want. They are not accountable to the ICC. Thus the Cricket Council will not be able to maintain its reputation for very long. The ICC must be aware of its responsibilities and fulfill its responsibilities properly.

Everyone says that neutral ICC must be authority to control all cricketing affairs of the world but in reality its not happening. Whats the way forward, is there any practical solution to this?
We will continue to discuss this but big 3 and there allies will dominate the administration of cricket. I dont think in near future we have neutral and fully empowered ICC.

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Rather then conducting such tests Pakistan must focus on how they will bring international cricket back on there soils. Such tests wont bring cricket back there. PCB is helpless on recent CZN and ECB tour cancellation. Its wake up call for small boards to voice for there rights otherwise whales will continue to dominate cricket and ICC.

Yes, there is no point to be emotional about this incident. If England and New Zealand have refused to play in Pakistan, it not the end of the world for them. I think they should try to invite some weaker teams in their country to play cricket and once the series are completed safely, it will give a positive message to the ICC.

Pakistan has already invited and played safely against RSA, SL, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. It was time for other team to visit Pakistan but they refused. AFAIK, security was not the prime reason rather they were political decision. Either way its bad for PCB and bad for the game.

I am also saying the same thing but they should so some action like inviting more teams to their country or if ICC, don't allow this, then conduct more domestic tournaments and invite international players. I remember they started KPL this year along with PSL.
Only claiming that due to political reason no teams want to come here, why not find ways to improve the situation.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on September 23, 2021, 10:46:30 AM

Quote from: bitgov on September 23, 2021, 12:43:05 AM

Rather then conducting such tests Pakistan must focus on how they will bring international cricket back on there soils. Such tests wont bring cricket back there. PCB is helpless on recent CZN and ECB tour cancellation. Its wake up call for small boards to voice for there rights otherwise whales will continue to dominate cricket and ICC.

Yes, there is no point to be emotional about this incident. If England and New Zealand have refused to play in Pakistan, it not the end of the world for them. I think they should try to invite some weaker teams in their country to play cricket and once the series are completed safely, it will give a positive message to the ICC.

Pakistan has already invited and played safely against RSA, SL, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. It was time for other team to visit Pakistan but they refused. AFAIK, security was not the prime reason rather they were political decision. Either way its bad for PCB and bad for the game.

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Quote from: kro55 on September 23, 2021, 05:27:41 AM

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The ICC is now only for weaker boards. The ICC continues to exert its influence on weak and financially poor boards. On the other hand, the big cricket boards are always doing what they want. They are not accountable to the ICC. Thus the Cricket Council will not be able to maintain its reputation for very long. The ICC must be aware of its responsibilities and fulfill its responsibilities properly.

What do you expect differently, do you think they can move against any cricket board that are funding them. What can the ICC do in situation like this, ban the board that are giving them the most funds and hence they can cut down on the funding to all the small cricket boards, are you happy if there is a situation like this or do you think they can do in situations like these.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 21, 2021, 03:31:24 AM

Wow, New Zealand team coming in our neighboring county. Last time they had no threat but they refused to play us, now let us show them the real threat. Cool

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Rather then conducting such tests Pakistan must focus on how they will bring international cricket back on there soils. Such tests wont bring cricket back there. PCB is helpless on recent CZN and ECB tour cancellation. Its wake up call for small boards to voice for there rights otherwise whales will continue to dominate cricket and ICC.

Yes, there is no point to be emotional about this incident. If England and New Zealand have refused to play in Pakistan, it not the end of the world for them. I think they should try to invite some weaker teams in their country to play cricket and once the series are completed safely, it will give a positive message to the ICC.

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Quote from: sovie on September 22, 2021, 01:29:12 PM

Whats strange is role of ICC. I don't see any single statement of ICC official in latest tour cancellation by CZN and ECB. If boards have to decide matters by themselves then whats the role of keeping ICC?

ICC can't do anything because they are busy in counting money which is coming from IPL, so please don't disturb them and now as already mention by many crickets is just a political game no gentlemen's game. England is slammed by their own authorities, but this all is useless they are Big 3 in ICC they can do anything with any weak country, but surely they have to face karma for this all in future because here every one having chance for his own strategies and planning's currently Pakistan cricket is under serious problems for last 2 decades, and I am sure they can handle this all as well.

The ICC is now only for weaker boards. The ICC continues to exert its influence on weak and financially poor boards. On the other hand, the big cricket boards are always doing what they want. They are not accountable to the ICC. Thus the Cricket Council will not be able to maintain its reputation for very long. The ICC must be aware of its responsibilities and fulfill its responsibilities properly.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on September 23, 2021, 01:08:01 AM

Quote from: sovie on September 22, 2021, 01:29:12 PM

Whats strange is role of ICC. I don't see any single statement of ICC official in latest tour cancellation by CZN and ECB. If boards have to decide matters by themselves then whats the role of keeping ICC?

ICC can't do anything because they are busy in counting money which is coming from IPL, so please don't disturb them and now as already mention by many crickets is just a political game no gentlemen's game. England is slammed by their own authorities, but this all is useless they are Big 3 in ICC they can do anything with any weak country, but surely they have to face karma for this all in future because here every one having chance for his own strategies and planning's currently Pakistan cricket is under serious problems for last 2 decades, and I am sure they can handle this all as well.

All cricketing boards must understand that bad time can be on any board and at any time, they must understand and help each other in hour of need. There are few international matches in Pakistan when teams of RSA, West indies, Sri lanka and Zimbabwe toured Pakistan.
Whats painful is that media reports that boards like CNZ, ECB and CA puts security of players first, which means Sri lanka, RSA, WI and Zimbabwe don't care for security of there players. Only White life matter in the eyes of western media.

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Quote from: sovie on September 22, 2021, 01:29:12 PM

Whats strange is role of ICC. I don't see any single statement of ICC official in latest tour cancellation by CZN and ECB. If boards have to decide matters by themselves then whats the role of keeping ICC?

ICC can't do anything because they are busy in counting money which is coming from IPL, so please don't disturb them and now as already mention by many crickets is just a political game no gentlemen's game. England is slammed by their own authorities, but this all is useless they are Big 3 in ICC they can do anything with any weak country, but surely they have to face karma for this all in future because here every one having chance for his own strategies and planning's currently Pakistan cricket is under serious problems for last 2 decades, and I am sure they can handle this all as well.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 21, 2021, 03:31:24 AM

Wow, New Zealand team coming in our neighboring county. Last time they had no threat but they refused to play us, now let us show them the real threat. Cool

Pakistan conducts 'successful' cruise missile test

Rather then conducting such tests Pakistan must focus on how they will bring international cricket back on there soils. Such tests wont bring cricket back there. PCB is helpless on recent CZN and ECB tour cancellation. Its wake up call for small boards to voice for there rights otherwise whales will continue to dominate cricket and ICC.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on September 22, 2021, 08:03:05 PM

^ Seems like domestic cricket is neglected almost everywhere nowadays Undecided

. It hasn't been long since an incident took place in Bangladesh where players like Shakib Al Hasan and almost all The players of the Bangladesh National team protested against the really small fee that was given to all the first-class players. We all have to understand that every player's base is domestic cricket. Domestic cricket can make a player or break a player so every cricket board should give enough thinking and funding about domestic cricket.

Ideally domestic players should be payed well. But then the argument comes up - a handful of the national players are responsible for the vast majority of the revenue. So why should they agree to give up most of that amount in favor of the domestic cricketers? And in case of India, they have some of the most ineffective domestic cricket system in the world. There are a total of 38 domestic teams, and in some cases there are 3 teams from a single state. On top of that, there are teams from Railways, Services.etc. The quality of domestic matches (with the exception of a few cases) have shown little improvement over the years.

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Quote from: sovie on September 22, 2021, 01:29:12 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 21, 2021, 01:45:19 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 21, 2021, 12:37:51 AM

Show me proof that Pakistan is blacklisted by FATF.
The fact is that Pakistan is never been in the FATF blacklist. I can understand that some wishes can't come true. Cheesy

I wonder why you and all Indians feel so happy to speak the things which never exists ? and Yes, after the cancellation of New Zealand tour, it was expected that England will announce the same.

I am not an Indian citizen, but it is a fact that Pakistan is facing issues for many decades now. Blaming India will not resolve the issue. The user whom you quoted was wrong. Pakistan was never blacklisted by the FATF. However, FATF is currently investigating them for links to banned entities.

https://thediplomat.com/2021/02/will-pakistan-come-off-the-fatf-grey-list/

Currently they are on the "greylist".

The real threat for the PCB is that other countries would follow the example of CNZ (ECB, CA.etc) and refuse to tour Pakistan. That will result in huge losses to the PCB. Already they are in bad financial state due to the pandemic.

Whats strange is role of ICC. I don't see any single statement of ICC official in latest tour cancellation by CZN and ECB. If boards have to decide matters by themselves then whats the role of keeping ICC?

Instead, the overwhelming impression given by this week's withdrawal is that England want other countries to help them in their hour of need but will do very little in return. Unless, of course, there is big money involved Paul NewMan Daily Mail

Nothing new about ICC, they have been like this lately. They should have commented about this situation but they prefer to be neutral. Anyways they are busy with the upcoming T20 WC. I think before that they will not comment anything and after that, they might. We need to wait and watch.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 21, 2021, 05:30:35 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 21, 2021, 03:14:14 AM

Also one good announcement for domestic cricketers

https://twitter.com/JayShah/status/1439887126049394690

This one just came at the right time. So they are getting an increment from ₹35,000 per day to ₹60,000 (although limited to players who have represented the state in more than 40 matches). The BCCI should focus more on the domestic cricket. The quality is noway near the competitions in England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa or West Indies. Right now a huge gap exists in the quality between the IPL and domestic cricket. One good initiative would be to introduce franchise system with the domestic teams as well.

^ Seems like domestic cricket is neglected almost everywhere nowadays Undecided

. It hasn't been long since an incident took place in Bangladesh where players like Shakib Al Hasan and almost all The players of the Bangladesh National team protested against the really small fee that was given to all the first-class players. We all have to understand that every player's base is domestic cricket. Domestic cricket can make a player or break a player so every cricket board should give enough thinking and funding about domestic cricket.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 21, 2021, 01:45:19 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 21, 2021, 12:37:51 AM

Show me proof that Pakistan is blacklisted by FATF.
The fact is that Pakistan is never been in the FATF blacklist. I can understand that some wishes can't come true. Cheesy

I wonder why you and all Indians feel so happy to speak the things which never exists ? and Yes, after the cancellation of New Zealand tour, it was expected that England will announce the same.

I am not an Indian citizen, but it is a fact that Pakistan is facing issues for many decades now. Blaming India will not resolve the issue. The user whom you quoted was wrong. Pakistan was never blacklisted by the FATF. However, FATF is currently investigating them for links to banned entities.

https://thediplomat.com/2021/02/will-pakistan-come-off-the-fatf-grey-list/

Currently they are on the "greylist".

The real threat for the PCB is that other countries would follow the example of CNZ (ECB, CA.etc) and refuse to tour Pakistan. That will result in huge losses to the PCB. Already they are in bad financial state due to the pandemic.

Whats strange is role of ICC. I don't see any single statement of ICC official in latest tour cancellation by CZN and ECB. If boards have to decide matters by themselves then whats the role of keeping ICC?

Instead, the overwhelming impression given by this week's withdrawal is that England want other countries to help them in their hour of need but will do very little in return. Unless, of course, there is big money involved Paul NewMan Daily Mail

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