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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 05, 2020, 05:41:42 AM

Sometimes these upsets are pre-planned for whatever reasons.

Are you claiming that the match was fixed, Asian teams had the reputation of fixing matches and Pakistan had the reputation of fixing matches in the past but i do not think none of the players will dare to do that with the sentencing that faced some of their players and the media trail that followed and ruined their career.
Fixing might happen in league T20 games but not in the international level.

Match fixing happen everywhere including in International cricket.
If Pakistan had lost the match by a big margin, i would have confirmed that the match would have been fixed but i doubt this match was fixed because it went in the super over. Fixed matches don't go to the last ball for the decider.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 05, 2020, 04:45:42 AM

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Your point is correct. But I don't think it's a problem of their players. This is the problem of their cricket board or the team management. Their management should ensure all facilities to the cricketers. And obviously their rules should be strictly followed. They have a lot of internal problems in the cricket board. Most people are corrupted. Even last year the ICC decided to ban them for political interference on the board.
Here is the link : https://www.aljazeera.com/sports/2019/7/18/zimbabwe-cricket-suspended-over-political-interference

The ICC should have continued with the suspension until they sort out their issues. Now they have the test status, and as a result they get around $100 million in funding for the 8-year circle. Better teams, such as Ireland and Afghanistan receive only a fraction of this amount. And the most tragic thing is that most of this amount is lost in corruption and bureaucracy.

That's right. I totally agree with you. ICC should have banned Zimbabwe or solved all their internal problems. 100 million dollars is a huge amount for a team like Zimbabwe. The ICC should be re-investigated on the Zimbabwe board. There are still a lot of corrupt people on their board.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 05, 2020, 05:41:42 AM

Sometimes these upsets are pre-planned for whatever reasons.

Are you claiming that the match was fixed, Asian teams had the reputation of fixing matches and Pakistan had the reputation of fixing matches in the past but i do not think none of the players will dare to do that with the sentencing that faced some of their players and the media trail that followed and ruined their career.
Fixing might happen in league T20 games but not in the international level.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 04, 2020, 06:21:42 AM

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Will be careful and most probably will be going for the underdog if Pakistan is involved Grin

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It's not just Pakistan. Don't you remember the recent defeat of England against Ireland? If one of the larger teams are playing against an associate nation or a lower ranked nation such as Zimbabwe, I normally bet in favor of the latter. There is a very good chance that at least one out of the three matches will end up in an upset. The returns will be greater than what you normally get from betting in favor of teams such as England and Pakistan.

Sometimes these upsets are pre-planned for whatever reasons.

Anyways, being the supporter of the host nation, i am not satisficed with the team performance and they continue to be an average performers. Limited over cricket t-20 more suits them. We have now T20 series and i am not predicting anything against our unpredictable team.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on November 04, 2020, 11:37:33 PM

Your point is correct. But I don't think it's a problem of their players. This is the problem of their cricket board or the team management. Their management should ensure all facilities to the cricketers. And obviously their rules should be strictly followed. They have a lot of internal problems in the cricket board. Most people are corrupted. Even last year the ICC decided to ban them for political interference on the board.
Here is the link : https://www.aljazeera.com/sports/2019/7/18/zimbabwe-cricket-suspended-over-political-interference

The ICC should have continued with the suspension until they sort out their issues. Now they have the test status, and as a result they get around $100 million in funding for the 8-year circle. Better teams, such as Ireland and Afghanistan receive only a fraction of this amount. And the most tragic thing is that most of this amount is lost in corruption and bureaucracy.

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What is this mini IPL, is this a tournament for U21 or much younger players or is it about women's cricket

They are planning to bring back the Champions League T20 where the best teams from all the franchise cricket will face to find out the best champion and right now we have many franchise T20 tournament around the world and it would be fun to see the best teams battling out but the main problem will be some of these players are playing in multiple franchise and how they will sort that out will be the biggest question.

Champions League T20 is a failed idea. During the previous editions, the viewer interest was extremely low. As you have pointed out, one of the main reasons is that there are players who represent 3-4 franchises in any given year and for them it is difficult to chose a side. Another factor is that with IPL occurring every year, adding another tournament involving the IPL teams may add to the viewer fatigue. During the last Champions League T20, the viewership figures were much lower than what they had during the IPL.

Mostly people lose interest when they see their favourite team's player is playing for another team on the same league which happen at champions league due to the international franchise tournament.And also another reason why IPL got so much support in India is due to the month which is happening at that time summer holidays in India so everyone is free on their home and has enough time to enjoy all the IPL matches.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on November 04, 2020, 08:06:23 PM

I remember the England Ireland match where they chase down 320 something and usually the big teams does not play their best playing eleven while playing the associate nations but in that England line up i think Ben Stokes is the only major player that was missing and i do not remember the bowling line up they had in the match.

Even if England was missing a few of their players, it shouldn't matter much. Because for the past two decades, England has stolen the best cricket players produced by Ireland. Even if you take the example of the 3rd ODI (in which Ireland won), the Irish batsmen scored all the three centuries. But one of these batsmen was representing England and not Ireland.

All that said, the England playing XI was comprised of experienced players such as Morgan, Bairstow and Roy.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 04, 2020, 12:22:20 PM

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Pakistan have lost one of their last three matches against Zimbabwe. Everyone is talking about it. But I would say Zimbabwe played very well throughout the series. Even in the first match I thought Zimbabwe might win. But Pakistan bowlers are very experienced. So Zimbabwe was not able to win. Zimbabwe does not have the opportunity to play against any of the big teams. As far as I can remember, they last played with a big team in December 2017. They played against South Africa. If they host more series against big teams, they may be able to play better in the future.

The problem with Zimbabwe is that we don't know who are the players included in their squad one month from now. Every now and then, the players rebel against the management and travel to England or Australia to play club cricket. They have no stability in their team and this will be having a negative impact on the cohesion and team spirit. But all that said, they performed well against Pakistan.

Your point is correct. But I don't think it's a problem of their players. This is the problem of their cricket board or the team management. Their management should ensure all facilities to the cricketers. And obviously their rules should be strictly followed. They have a lot of internal problems in the cricket board. Most people are corrupted. Even last year the ICC decided to ban them for political interference on the board.
Here is the link : https://www.aljazeera.com/sports/2019/7/18/zimbabwe-cricket-suspended-over-political-interference

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on November 04, 2020, 01:15:04 AM

Pre match betting should be done on teams that are predictable, although cricket itself is unpredictable but, you still will have confidence on a team that has been consistently performing.

If the predictability level is high then the odds will be zero Cheesy

. I have seen enough upsets in the past few months especially in football and hence i am not surprised, cricket is the only sport where we do not see major upsets all the time especially in the longer formats.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 04, 2020, 06:21:42 AM

It's not just Pakistan. Don't you remember the recent defeat of England against Ireland? If one of the larger teams are playing against an associate nation or a lower ranked nation such as Zimbabwe, I normally bet in favor of the latter. There is a very good chance that at least one out of the three matches will end up in an upset. The returns will be greater than what you normally get from betting in favor of teams such as England and Pakistan.

I remember the England Ireland match where they chase down 320 something and usually the big teams does not play their best playing eleven while playing the associate nations but in that England line up i think Ben Stokes is the only major player that was missing and i do not remember the bowling line up they had in the match.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on November 04, 2020, 04:19:59 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 04, 2020, 12:22:20 PM

The problem with Zimbabwe is that we don't know who are the players included in their squad one month from now. Every now and then, the players rebel against the management and travel to England or Australia to play club cricket. They have no stability in their team and this will be having a negative impact on the cohesion and team spirit. But all that said, they performed well against Pakistan.

Do the Zimbabwe players rebel against the management, in the past they used to rebel after moving outside the country as they were worried about going to jail for speaking against them and so is the reason many players careers were stopped abruptly. The current crop of players are not well established players and if they are not confident enough to get a secure job elsewhere i doubt whether they will rebel at all.

Currently Zimbabwe is really facing some serious problems as they fail to develop their domestic set up due to corruption and personal issues and they also have some other serious factors as well like South Africa but they are very poor in quality and their players unable to play some good number of matches.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 04, 2020, 12:22:20 PM

The problem with Zimbabwe is that we don't know who are the players included in their squad one month from now. Every now and then, the players rebel against the management and travel to England or Australia to play club cricket. They have no stability in their team and this will be having a negative impact on the cohesion and team spirit. But all that said, they performed well against Pakistan.

Do the Zimbabwe players rebel against the management, in the past they used to rebel after moving outside the country as they were worried about going to jail for speaking against them and so is the reason many players careers were stopped abruptly. The current crop of players are not well established players and if they are not confident enough to get a secure job elsewhere i doubt whether they will rebel at all.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on November 04, 2020, 10:56:47 AM

Pakistan have lost one of their last three matches against Zimbabwe. Everyone is talking about it. But I would say Zimbabwe played very well throughout the series. Even in the first match I thought Zimbabwe might win. But Pakistan bowlers are very experienced. So Zimbabwe was not able to win. Zimbabwe does not have the opportunity to play against any of the big teams. As far as I can remember, they last played with a big team in December 2017. They played against South Africa. If they host more series against big teams, they may be able to play better in the future.

The problem with Zimbabwe is that we don't know who are the players included in their squad one month from now. Every now and then, the players rebel against the management and travel to England or Australia to play club cricket. They have no stability in their team and this will be having a negative impact on the cohesion and team spirit. But all that said, they performed well against Pakistan.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 04, 2020, 06:21:42 AM

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Will be careful and most probably will be going for the underdog if Pakistan is involved Grin

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It's not just Pakistan. Don't you remember the recent defeat of England against Ireland? If one of the larger teams are playing against an associate nation or a lower ranked nation such as Zimbabwe, I normally bet in favor of the latter. There is a very good chance that at least one out of the three matches will end up in an upset. The returns will be greater than what you normally get from betting in favor of teams such as England and Pakistan.

Pakistan have lost one of their last three matches against Zimbabwe. Everyone is talking about it. But I would say Zimbabwe played very well throughout the series. Even in the first match I thought Zimbabwe might win. But Pakistan bowlers are very experienced. So Zimbabwe was not able to win. Zimbabwe does not have the opportunity to play against any of the big teams. As far as I can remember, they last played with a big team in December 2017. They played against South Africa. If they host more series against big teams, they may be able to play better in the future.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on November 03, 2020, 06:37:23 PM

Will be careful and most probably will be going for the underdog if Pakistan is involved Grin

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It's not just Pakistan. Don't you remember the recent defeat of England against Ireland? If one of the larger teams are playing against an associate nation or a lower ranked nation such as Zimbabwe, I normally bet in favor of the latter. There is a very good chance that at least one out of the three matches will end up in an upset. The returns will be greater than what you normally get from betting in favor of teams such as England and Pakistan.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on November 03, 2020, 06:37:23 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 03, 2020, 09:49:17 AM

~Pakistan now again favorite to win the super over.

I was crazy enough to add Pakistan to win in a $100 parlay and the odds while i wagged was a mere 1.12 thinking Pakistan is playing against a washed up Zimbabwe and i washed away my bet and this is my only loss in the parlay. No more pre match betting for Pakistan as i had the same incident in the last ODI World Cup when they played England if i remember correctly.

Quote from: FIFA worldcup on November 03, 2020, 11:11:19 AM

As they say that Pakistan is an unpredictable team so bet on them at your own risk.

Will be careful and most probably will be going for the underdog if Pakistan is involved Grin

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Pakistani team has been playing substandard cricket for quite sometimes now. The were struggling to win matches in this series and as expected the couldn't even win all them.

Pre match betting should be done on teams that are predictable, although cricket itself is unpredictable but, you still will have confidence on a team that has been consistently performing.

From the first match in this series they were struggling against a weak side, it is very risky to bet on such a team.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 03, 2020, 09:49:17 AM

~Pakistan now again favorite to win the super over.

I was crazy enough to add Pakistan to win in a $100 parlay and the odds while i wagged was a mere 1.12 thinking Pakistan is playing against a washed up Zimbabwe and i washed away my bet and this is my only loss in the parlay. No more pre match betting for Pakistan as i had the same incident in the last ODI World Cup when they played England if i remember correctly.

Quote from: FIFA worldcup on November 03, 2020, 11:11:19 AM

As they say that Pakistan is an unpredictable team so bet on them at your own risk.

Will be careful and most probably will be going for the underdog if Pakistan is involved Grin

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It was a surprising result. Pakistan should have won the series 3-0, but they could only manage 2-1.

Zimbabwe played well especially Sean Williams when they were struggling and was able to put a decent score and then troubling the Pakistan top order and then their captain was able to put a good partnership but Zimbabwe was somehow able to tie the match and then win the super over, so full credits to Zimbabwe.

Quote from: Sithara007 on November 03, 2020, 12:19:59 PM

Now the issue is that all these matches count for the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League 2020. I could see Zimbabwe with their first points (10 points from 3 matches). Pakistan is at second position with 20 points. In case they had won this match, then they could have replaced England at the top position.

What is this Cricket World Cup Super League, is this the world cup but the next ODI World Cup will be in 2023 or are you talking about something else.

Here you can check all details about this Cricket World Cup Super League https://www.espncricinfo.com/table/series/19882/season/2020/icc-mens-cricket-world-cup-super-league

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%9322_ICC_Cricket_World_Cup_Super_League

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 03, 2020, 12:19:59 PM

It was a surprising result. Pakistan should have won the series 3-0, but they could only manage 2-1.

Zimbabwe played well especially Sean Williams when they were struggling and was able to put a decent score and then troubling the Pakistan top order and then their captain was able to put a good partnership but Zimbabwe was somehow able to tie the match and then win the super over, so full credits to Zimbabwe.

Quote from: Sithara007 on November 03, 2020, 12:19:59 PM

Now the issue is that all these matches count for the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League 2020. I could see Zimbabwe with their first points (10 points from 3 matches). Pakistan is at second position with 20 points. In case they had won this match, then they could have replaced England at the top position.

What is this Cricket World Cup Super League, is this the world cup but the next ODI World Cup will be in 2023 or are you talking about something else.

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on November 03, 2020, 11:11:19 AM

As they say that Pakistan is an unpredictable team so bet on them at your own risk.

Even against Zimbabwe and Kenya and they could defeat England Australia and India on their day Grin

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on November 03, 2020, 11:11:19 AM

Seeing the overall match, i think Zimbabwe were a better team and they deserve this win. Blessing Muzarabani took seven wickets in the match and i see a big career in front of him. Unfortunately Zimbabwe does not get enough International cricket otherwise we could see more stars in their team.

Zimbabwe might not get the top teams but there are several other second league teams might be interested in playing the series. They had some great talents in the past but right now they are struggling to find world class players because of their cricket board.

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It was a surprising result. Pakistan should have won the series 3-0, but they could only manage 2-1. Now the issue is that all these matches count for the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League 2020. I could see Zimbabwe with their first points (10 points from 3 matches). Pakistan is at second position with 20 points. In case they had won this match, then they could have replaced England at the top position.

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