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Quote from: JSRAW on June 12, 2020, 04:35:48 PM

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Players can forget their salaries as the parent company of Zee Entertainment LTD might go bankrupt. I think earlier those who were heading BCCI were not big risk takers but things have changed a lot with the new President.

Hmm.. I remember what happened with the ICL. The players received very harsh punishments from their respective boards. For example, Shane Bond was at his peak form, and this controversy destroyed his career. He did play a few matches in the IPL, but by then his career was largely over. And even after all this, the players never received their full salaries.

I might add his "Injuries part" as well. He was beautiful bowler but had a habit of getting injured from time to time. This was the major reason he never became regular in NZ squad, ICL did play its part in destroying his career, which i agree.

Ian Bishop Shane Bone and Paul Allot these three great bowlers we lost very quickly just because of Injuries really big lost for cricket as Paul done great record work in 1999 world cup.

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Players can forget their salaries as the parent company of Zee Entertainment LTD might go bankrupt. I think earlier those who were heading BCCI were not big risk takers but things have changed a lot with the new President.

Hmm.. I remember what happened with the ICL. The players received very harsh punishments from their respective boards. For example, Shane Bond was at his peak form, and this controversy destroyed his career. He did play a few matches in the IPL, but by then his career was largely over. And even after all this, the players never received their full salaries.

I might add his "Injuries part" as well. He was beautiful bowler but had a habit of getting injured from time to time. This was the major reason he never became regular in NZ squad, ICL did play its part in destroying his career, which i agree.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 12, 2020, 08:47:22 AM

Players can forget their salaries as the parent company of Zee Entertainment LTD might go bankrupt. I think earlier those who were heading BCCI were not big risk takers but things have changed a lot with the new President.

Hmm.. I remember what happened with the ICL. The players received very harsh punishments from their respective boards. For example, Shane Bond was at his peak form, and this controversy destroyed his career. He did play a few matches in the IPL, but by then his career was largely over. And even after all this, the players never received their full salaries.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 12, 2020, 07:51:28 AM

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ICL was the reason BCCI started IPL after destroying it. Many good players were there and most of them got banned by BCCI.

Found this match on Youtube [CL Final Lahore Badshahs vs Hyderabad Heros 2008 ] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_wkrMPWNmU

Historically, BCCI has opposed new innovations in cricket, such as T20, franchise leagues and DRS. I don't know the real reason for this. Perhaps they want to stick to the traditional way of playing and were happy with the test and ODI formats. ICL players were left high and dry after the BCCI banned them. ICL was owned by the Zee Entertainment Enterprises, and they refused to pay salaries for most of the players after the league folded up. 12 years have passed and till date the dues are still outstanding.

Players can forget their salaries as the parent company of Zee Entertainment LTD might go bankrupt. I think earlier those who were heading BCCI were not big risk takers but things have changed a lot with the new President.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 12, 2020, 06:04:54 AM

ICL was the reason BCCI started IPL after destroying it. Many good players were there and most of them got banned by BCCI.

Found this match on Youtube [CL Final Lahore Badshahs vs Hyderabad Heros 2008 ] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_wkrMPWNmU

Historically, BCCI has opposed new innovations in cricket, such as T20, franchise leagues and DRS. I don't know the real reason for this. Perhaps they want to stick to the traditional way of playing and were happy with the test and ODI formats. ICL players were left high and dry after the BCCI banned them. ICL was owned by the Zee Entertainment Enterprises, and they refused to pay salaries for most of the players after the league folded up. 12 years have passed and till date the dues are still outstanding.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 07, 2020, 03:57:06 AM

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Or may be entry in the Olympic is the key? There is a good chance if it get accepted in Olympics then fair amount of European or south american countries would show some interest, followed by North. then may be we can expect more money pumping into the game.

~Edited out~

Then we all know that the IPL started shutting the ICL which was another private company coming up with a tournament signing big players and BCCI and ICC banned several players who were signed to them and forced them to close their doors and then IPL started and followed everything what ICL did with cheer leaders and all those fancy things and this is recent history.

For global acceptance you need to see some kind of similar innovation from private players and for that ICC need to allow to accept them which is not going to happen.

This other tournament had kapil dev backing right? i remember reading something about it.

ECB trying "The 100 Balls" tournament which got delayed due to pandemic. It would be nice addition in the game of cricket as 4th format if spectators gives some positive response.

@JSRAW I had to use google to remind myself what ICL was, and it’s really sad that back then they didn’t take BCCI permission to start their operations otherwise the league wouldn’t have got banned. Furthermore the 100 ball tournament is not a bad idea, and after reading the tournament rules on Wikipedia, I’m pretty sure that it’ll be a hit among the fans if they decide to implement it in the official ICC formats.

Sources:

https://www.indiatoday.in/cricket/story/bcci-lifts-ban-on-kapil-dev-after-he-snaps-ties-with-icl-111018-2012-07-25

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/nov/19/indian-cricket-league-ban-action

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100-ball_cricket

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/icl-challenges-specific-bcci-rules/story-6O2UxxXXSfbrwn24T1cSXP.html

ICL was the reason BCCI started IPL after destroying it. Many good players were there and most of them got banned by BCCI.

Found this match on Youtube [CL Final Lahore Badshahs vs Hyderabad Heros 2008 ] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_wkrMPWNmU

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 11, 2020, 06:54:59 PM

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 07, 2020, 03:57:06 AM

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Or may be entry in the Olympic is the key? There is a good chance if it get accepted in Olympics then fair amount of European or south american countries would show some interest, followed by North. then may be we can expect more money pumping into the game.

~Edited out~

Then we all know that the IPL started shutting the ICL which was another private company coming up with a tournament signing big players and BCCI and ICC banned several players who were signed to them and forced them to close their doors and then IPL started and followed everything what ICL did with cheer leaders and all those fancy things and this is recent history.

For global acceptance you need to see some kind of similar innovation from private players and for that ICC need to allow to accept them which is not going to happen.

This other tournament had kapil dev backing right? i remember reading something about it.

ECB trying "The 100 Balls" tournament which got delayed due to pandemic. It would be nice addition in the game of cricket as 4th format if spectators gives some positive response.

@JSRAW I had to use google to remind myself what ICL was, and it’s really sad that back then they didn’t take BCCI permission to start their operations otherwise the league wouldn’t have got banned. Furthermore the 100 ball tournament is not a bad idea, and after reading the tournament rules on Wikipedia, I’m pretty sure that it’ll be a hit among the fans if they decide to implement it in the official ICC formats.

Sources:

https://www.indiatoday.in/cricket/story/bcci-lifts-ban-on-kapil-dev-after-he-snaps-ties-with-icl-111018-2012-07-25

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/nov/19/indian-cricket-league-ban-action

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100-ball_cricket

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/icl-challenges-specific-bcci-rules/story-6O2UxxXXSfbrwn24T1cSXP.html

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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 10, 2020, 04:53:38 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 07, 2020, 03:57:06 AM

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Or may be entry in the Olympic is the key? There is a good chance if it get accepted in Olympics then fair amount of European or south american countries would show some interest, followed by North. then may be we can expect more money pumping into the game.

~Edited out~

Then we all know that the IPL started shutting the ICL which was another private company coming up with a tournament signing big players and BCCI and ICC banned several players who were signed to them and forced them to close their doors and then IPL started and followed everything what ICL did with cheer leaders and all those fancy things and this is recent history.

For global acceptance you need to see some kind of similar innovation from private players and for that ICC need to allow to accept them which is not going to happen.

This other tournament had kapil dev backing right? i remember reading something about it.

ECB trying "The 100 Balls" tournament which got delayed due to pandemic. It would be nice addition in the game of cricket as 4th format if spectators gives some positive response.

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Quote from: Indymoney on June 11, 2020, 05:42:27 AM

The big problem is still many big teams not love to play in these games and just because of this they select second or third rated players if now ICC wants to be in Olympics then surely they need to be some strict conditions hopefully 20/twenty or 10/ten league can create some some big difference and we can have some big community here as well.

Obviously you can't expect the boards to send their best players, if cricket features in multi-sport events such as Olympics and Commonwealth Games. Also, there may be player restrictions as well. For example, there are restrictions that are applicable to team selection for football in Olympics. As per the rules, only 3 players are allowed who are above the age of 23. The remaining members of the squad must be below 23 years of age.

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I was in school at that time (1998), but as far as I know, many of the matches were competitive. Obviously there were one-sided matches, but you will get them even when full member nations are playing. And test nations do have an advantage over the minnows as far as the 50-over format is considered. The shorter format (T20) may give the associate nations a bit more advantage.

I have seen the scoreboard of some matches and it does not look like competitive, Pakistan Bangladesh India were struggling against minnows according to the scoreboard.

Here is the entire scoreboard of the tournament and having a look at that which matches were competitive. Even the final between Australia and South Africa was a low scoring match and there were many scores below 100 in ODI which is not common even during that period.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/460200.html

T20 will give them an advantage against teams but if they allow in the Olympics they should not allow the full strength team against minnows and they need to have some restrictions.

The big problem is still many big teams not love to play in these games and just because of this they select second or third rated players if now ICC wants to be in Olympics then surely they need to be some strict conditions hopefully 20/twenty or 10/ten league can create some some big difference and we can have some big community here as well.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 08, 2020, 01:14:17 PM

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I was in school at that time (1998), but as far as I know, many of the matches were competitive. Obviously there were one-sided matches, but you will get them even when full member nations are playing. And test nations do have an advantage over the minnows as far as the 50-over format is considered. The shorter format (T20) may give the associate nations a bit more advantage.

I have seen the scoreboard of some matches and it does not look like competitive, Pakistan Bangladesh India were struggling against minnows according to the scoreboard.

Here is the entire scoreboard of the tournament and having a look at that which matches were competitive. Even the final between Australia and South Africa was a low scoring match and there were many scores below 100 in ODI which is not common even during that period.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/460200.html

T20 will give them an advantage against teams but if they allow in the Olympics they should not allow the full strength team against minnows and they need to have some restrictions.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 07, 2020, 03:57:06 AM

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Or may be entry in the Olympic is the key? There is a good chance if it get accepted in Olympics then fair amount of European or south american countries would show some interest, followed by North. then may be we can expect more money pumping into the game.

If you look at history you will understand how cricket got interesting and commercial interest took place, cricket players were having really low wages in the early days and then Kerry Packer started a private tournament World Series Cricket and started signing big players and they gave importance to ODI and they started the day night matches we have now and then we had the ODI boom and day night matches by the ICC, the ICC played their game to shut them.

Then we all know that the IPL started shutting the ICL which was another private company coming up with a tournament signing big players and BCCI and ICC banned several players who were signed to them and forced them to close their doors and then IPL started and followed everything what ICL did with cheer leaders and all those fancy things and this is recent history.

For global acceptance you need to see some kind of similar innovation from private players and for that ICC need to allow to accept them which is not going to happen.

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CGF included cricket during the 1998 Commonwealth Games (50 over ODI format). The ICC threatened both the federations with non-cooperation, and the CGF decided not to include cricket after the 1998 edition. However, the AGF was more adamant and they are continuing to include cricket (it will be played during the 2022 Asian games also).

I wonder how that went, i just checked the scorecard and majority of the matches were terrible and people from the Caribbean was not playing as a team but representing their respective countries and i do not think that would be great either for the West Indies cricket board and then the big teams like Australia and South Africa facing the small teams were brutal seeing the scoreboard and no wonder it is not involved in Olympics.

I was in school at that time (1998), but as far as I know, many of the matches were competitive. Obviously there were one-sided matches, but you will get them even when full member nations are playing. And test nations do have an advantage over the minnows as far as the 50-over format is considered. The shorter format (T20) may give the associate nations a bit more advantage.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 07, 2020, 12:03:52 PM

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CGF included cricket during the 1998 Commonwealth Games (50 over ODI format). The ICC threatened both the federations with non-cooperation, and the CGF decided not to include cricket after the 1998 edition. However, the AGF was more adamant and they are continuing to include cricket (it will be played during the 2022 Asian games also).

I wonder how that went, i just checked the scorecard and majority of the matches were terrible and people from the Caribbean was not playing as a team but representing their respective countries and i do not think that would be great either for the West Indies cricket board and then the big teams like Australia and South Africa facing the small teams were brutal seeing the scoreboard and no wonder it is not involved in Olympics.

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 07, 2020, 09:07:59 PM

What about Test-Cricket? it takes 5 days. but it is good enough about T20 match, it takes more than 3 hours to play a T-20 match. IMO ifst l T-10 match can be started and the ICC board wants, then we may expect the Olympic committee to include cricket in the Olympic very soon.

There is no way Test and ODI would have made it to the Olympics but i do not mind seeing T20 cricket but T10 is a bit too short to enjoy, it will be just like Baseball.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on June 07, 2020, 11:36:53 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 07, 2020, 07:28:32 AM

As JSRAW pointed out, many of the countries differentiate between an Olympic sport and a non-Olympic sport. That's why many of the sports bodies (such as FIFA and FIBA) made a lot of effort to get their respective sports included in Olympic games. But the case with cricket is just the opposite. Since the last two decades, there have been delaying tactics from the ICC to deny any discussion on this subject.

Is it even possible to think about cricket playing in the Olympics two decades ago, the Olympic committee will not even approve a one day format to be played. The only hope for cricket fans to see cricket is because we now have T20 matches and it is not a couple of decades old. There is a delay from the ICC for submitting their application to be in the Olympics and it might be because they are not going to benefit in the short term financially and i do not think they are willing to do anything in the near future until there are some major changes in ICC board.

Actually, the point is, most of the Olympic Games are short-lived, but cricket is a long-term game. Look at the ODI, it takes a full day to play ODIs. What about Test-Cricket? it takes 5 days. but it is good enough about T20 match, it takes more than 3 hours to play a T-20 match. IMO if T-10 match can be started and the ICC board wants, then we may expect the Olympic committee to include cricket in the Olympic very soon.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 07, 2020, 07:28:32 AM

As JSRAW pointed out, many of the countries differentiate between an Olympic sport and a non-Olympic sport. That's why many of the sports bodies (such as FIFA and FIBA) made a lot of effort to get their respective sports included in Olympic games. But the case with cricket is just the opposite. Since the last two decades, there have been delaying tactics from the ICC to deny any discussion on this subject.

Is it even possible to think about cricket playing in the Olympics two decades ago, the Olympic committee will not even approve a one day format to be played. The only hope for cricket fans to see cricket is because we now have T20 matches and it is not a couple of decades old.

There is a delay from the ICC for submitting their application to be in the Olympics and it might be because they are not going to benefit in the short term financially and i do not think they are willing to do anything in the near future until there are some major changes in ICC board.

Discussion was going on from late 90s onward. The ICC was reluctant, so the discussion never progressed. The International Olympic Committee respected the decision from ICC and never proceeded with the plans to include the sport. However, both the Commonwealth Games Federation (CGF) and the Asian Games Federation (AGF) ignored the opposition from the ICC and went ahead with the inclusion of cricket in both the Commonwealth Games and the Asian Games.

CGF included cricket during the 1998 Commonwealth Games (50 over ODI format). The ICC threatened both the federations with non-cooperation, and the CGF decided not to include cricket after the 1998 edition. However, the AGF was more adamant and they are continuing to include cricket (it will be played during the 2022 Asian games also).

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 07, 2020, 07:28:32 AM

As JSRAW pointed out, many of the countries differentiate between an Olympic sport and a non-Olympic sport. That's why many of the sports bodies (such as FIFA and FIBA) made a lot of effort to get their respective sports included in Olympic games. But the case with cricket is just the opposite. Since the last two decades, there have been delaying tactics from the ICC to deny any discussion on this subject.

Is it even possible to think about cricket playing in the Olympics two decades ago, the Olympic committee will not even approve a one day format to be played. The only hope for cricket fans to see cricket is because we now have T20 matches and it is not a couple of decades old.

There is a delay from the ICC for submitting their application to be in the Olympics and it might be because they are not going to benefit in the short term financially and i do not think they are willing to do anything in the near future until there are some major changes in ICC board.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on June 07, 2020, 03:00:05 AM

Baseball is very different from cricket and there is no comparison between two games. I am sometimes surprise to know that USA participates in almost all games but why they never try cricket ? Or maybe they ignore it purposely ?

As JSRAW pointed out, many of the countries differentiate between an Olympic sport and a non-Olympic sport. That's why many of the sports bodies (such as FIFA and FIBA) made a lot of effort to get their respective sports included in Olympic games. But the case with cricket is just the opposite. Since the last two decades, there have been delaying tactics from the ICC to deny any discussion on this subject.

Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 07, 2020, 04:16:37 AM

Will it be in the next Olympics?

If cricket gets added then there will be a lot of new countries that will start playing it. The only format that can be used will be T20 or T10. I found T10 more exciting than T20.

No. It won't be.

The organizers for the 2024 Olympics (Paris) were very keen on getting cricket included as one of the sports. Normally the governing body of a particular sports have to apply for inclusion in Olympics. But in this case, the organizers actually asked the ICC (in 2016) whether they would be interested in including cricket for the 2024 edition. The ICC never cared to respond, and the time window closed sometime in 2017. Rather than an outright "no", the ICC has been resorting to various delaying tactics.

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^ That's why i am highlighting the "more exposure" issue. Sure ICC doing everything in their capabilities but clearly its not enough and lack of exposure and popularity of the game reflects on cricketer's compensation packages as well.

For that to happen cricket needs to be more welcoming club matches, the biggest payment for cricket players comes from IPL and they have restrictions for the maximum amount of money they can spent, football players earn a much bigger pay because of club football and there is no limitation on the amount of money they can spent for every team like they have in the IPL and those players are not earning anywhere near from international matches.

Top sports earning comes from individual sports like Boxing, Tennis and then Football players rule the financial charts.

Or may be entry in the Olympic is the key? There is a good chance if it get accepted in Olympics then fair amount of European or south american countries would show some interest, followed by North. then may be we can expect more money pumping into the game.

Will it be in the next Olympics?

If cricket gets added then there will be a lot of new countries that will start playing it. The only format that can be used will be T20 or T10. I found T10 more exciting than T20.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 06, 2020, 04:07:02 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 06, 2020, 12:16:34 AM

^ That's why i am highlighting the "more exposure" issue. Sure ICC doing everything in their capabilities but clearly its not enough and lack of exposure and popularity of the game reflects on cricketer's compensation packages as well.

For that to happen cricket needs to be more welcoming club matches, the biggest payment for cricket players comes from IPL and they have restrictions for the maximum amount of money they can spent, football players earn a much bigger pay because of club football and there is no limitation on the amount of money they can spent for every team like they have in the IPL and those players are not earning anywhere near from international matches.

Top sports earning comes from individual sports like Boxing, Tennis and then Football players rule the financial charts.

Or may be entry in the Olympic is the key? There is a good chance if it get accepted in Olympics then fair amount of European or south american countries would show some interest, followed by North. then may be we can expect more money pumping into the game.

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