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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on June 02, 2020, 09:40:18 AM

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I did not understand what is the meaning of chutiyapa, did you mean fucking as google did not find me the results.

Chutiyapa - Act of stupidity and fucking up every thing even the simple tasks.

Gambling is in grey area as far as India is concern, hope supreme court jumps in and do something about it.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on June 02, 2020, 09:40:18 AM

I hope gambling and weed be legal globally Cheesy

, there are some states that legalized gambling and weed but some have a complete ban and we need to have a simple law throughout the country. There are shit rule too, while gambling is legal online gambling is not.

The world has become much smaller, with the invention of the internet and due to low cost air travel. It is not possible to impose these stupid bans in a particular territory. Because the gamblers may simply travel to some jurisdiction where gambling is legal (Macau, Las Vegas.etc), or they may simply do their gambling using one of the online casinos. In the end the government will lose tax revenues.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 02, 2020, 08:53:16 AM

On hypocrisy Indians have a PHD, no doubts about it.
Feels sad when i think this is a same country which gave The Kama Sutra to the world and now doing chutiyapa.

Thanks for the KamaSutra but it seems the people are frustrated as they have the second largest population and yet they are trying to hump on other people without their permission Cheesy

. I did not understand what is the meaning of chutiyapa, did you mean fucking as google did not find me the results.

I hope gambling and weed be legal globally Cheesy

, there are some states that legalized gambling and weed but some have a complete ban and we need to have a simple law throughout the country. There are shit rule too, while gambling is legal online gambling is not.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 02, 2020, 08:30:35 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 01, 2020, 10:48:59 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 01, 2020, 08:01:29 AM

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The only reason its not legal in big scale because we are big hypocrite as a society and policy makers comes from the society. It become such a taboo in the society that no politician going to openly favors the legalization of gambling.

Well.. for a moment I forgot about the hypocrisy part. India is a country where even porn is banned. Grin

And don't ask me if it had any positive impact on the society. The incidence of rape continues to rise and many of the foreign nations have issued warnings for female tourists who want to visit India. Alcohol availability is very restricted. Restaurants need to apply for excise permit, if they want to serve beer. This is a very cumbersome and costly process. And once again, this hasn't stopped in India being ranked as one of the top alcohol consumers.

On hypocrisy Indians have a PHD, no doubts about it.

Feels sad when i think this is a same country which gave The Kama Sutra to the world and now doing chutiyapa.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 01, 2020, 08:01:29 AM

^^^ The best way to end this menace is to legalize sports gambling in India. I don't know why the government hasn't legalized it yet, when other countries such as the United Kingdom and Australia have done that. When you make something illegal, criminals get an added advantage to push it underground and rig the system, away from the eyes of the authorities. My advice - legalize and regulate.

The only reason its not legal in big scale because we are big hypocrite as a society and policy makers comes from the society. It become such a taboo in the society that no politician going to openly favors the legalization of gambling.

Well.. for a moment I forgot about the hypocrisy part. India is a country where even porn is banned. Grin

And don't ask me if it had any positive impact on the society. The incidence of rape continues to rise and many of the foreign nations have issued warnings for female tourists who want to visit India. Alcohol availability is very restricted. Restaurants need to apply for excise permit, if they want to serve beer. This is a very cumbersome and costly process. And once again, this hasn't stopped in India being ranked as one of the top alcohol consumers.

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Came across this article where Smith is praising Kohli. Smith continues to dominate tests while Kohli continues to dominate ODIs. Amazing seeing these legends cooperate with each other.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/steve-smith-reveals-one-thing-he-admires-most-about-virat-kohli-2239173

I think it was Smith's birthday recently. Am excited for the upcoming series between India and Australia though I am still not sure if it will take place this year.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 01, 2020, 08:01:29 AM

^^^ The best way to end this menace is to legalize sports gambling in India. I don't know why the government hasn't legalized it yet, when other countries such as the United Kingdom and Australia have done that. When you make something illegal, criminals get an added advantage to push it underground and rig the system, away from the eyes of the authorities. My advice - legalize and regulate.

The only reason its not legal in big scale because we are big hypocrite as a society and policy makers comes from the society. It become such a taboo in the society that no politician going to openly favors the legalization of gambling.

Quote from: Haunebu on June 01, 2020, 10:21:19 AM

Truthfully speaking, I think that the government is involved with all this shady stuff.

Few states do run their state lottery etc. i would be very happy if every state legalize the land-based gambling, it can generate loads of revenue as well.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 01, 2020, 08:01:29 AM

^^^ The best way to end this menace is to legalize sports gambling in India. I don't know why the government hasn't legalized it yet, when other countries such as the United Kingdom and Australia have done that. When you make something illegal, criminals get an added advantage to push it underground and rig the system, away from the eyes of the authorities. My advice - legalize and regulate.

Truthfully speaking, I think that the government is involved with all this shady stuff. Who doesn't know how corrupt 3rd world governments can be? The underworld mafia has been surviving for so long thanks to political connections.

The government could have legalized gambling a long time back, but they didn't since it would be disadvantageous for them. No 3rd world political party is corruption free in my opinion.

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^^^ The best way to end this menace is to legalize sports gambling in India. I don't know why the government hasn't legalized it yet, when other countries such as the United Kingdom and Australia have done that. When you make something illegal, criminals get an added advantage to push it underground and rig the system, away from the eyes of the authorities. My advice - legalize and regulate.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on May 29, 2020, 10:41:16 AM

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As i mentioned above it is nothing but history. Hope this clears everything.

A brief history of cricket by cricinfo. So all the debates about a gentleman's game will end here.

It was a really great article, i used to always wonder why it is called a gentleman's game and mostly through the commentators we usually hear that phrase as if they are trying to stamp something especially during any altercation in the field Cheesy

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Quote from: eaLiTy on May 29, 2020, 10:41:16 AM

Fun fact: First international match was played between USA and Canada and now they are the minnows in the cricketing world Cheesy

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The people from Britain who settled in America and Canada might have played the first international game Cheesy

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Quote from: Haunebu on May 31, 2020, 05:52:26 AM

His claims about all matches being fixed made me laugh. He must have lost his mind due to the current COVID pandemic inside Tihar jail and is blurting out all sorts of nonsense.

There might be matches that are fixed but you cannot fix all the matches, spot fixing is possible like scoring slowly at certain fixed times and going for big runs at certain times, who knows anything is possible, since he is serving a jail sentence he might has seen and done that.

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^^^ ROFLMAO. Sanjeev Chawla is desperately trying to remain in media limelight. Match fixing is very rare nowadays, when compared to the situation we had 1-2 decades ago. Now the players are getting millions of USD in salary, and very few would take the risk of ruining their career by colluding with the gamblers. Those days are long gone. Chawla is trying to stay out of jail, and we don't need to take his words seriously.

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Just came across some sensational stuff guys. Check it out.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.outlookindia.com/website/amp/sports-news-all-cricket-matches-which-people-see-are-fixed-claims-bookie-sanjeev-chawla-in-shocking-revelation/353823

This dug up bad memories regarding Hansie all over again. I still wonder how this guy is alive despite the mafia knowing that he is a loose end.

His claims about all matches being fixed made me laugh. He must have lost his mind due to the current COVID pandemic inside Tihar jail and is blurting out all sorts of nonsense.

The mafia might not have dispatched him probably because he is crazy and is basically not a problem for them. Weird that a 2000 case is still being worked on decades later.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 30, 2020, 01:44:09 AM

Quote from: Indymoney on May 29, 2020, 03:18:11 PM

In next few years Pakistan cricket have no good news and nothing good for any formate as now they already lost No 1 Sport for Twenty/20 and living very low ranking life in ODI and test formate they will stay here as currently inner politics already doing damage and this will keep for few years until we have some good changes in this all.

There is no quickfix solution for the issues faced by the PCB. They date back to at least two decades. No other team wanted to tour Pakistan during this period, because of security risks. As a result PCB was forced to stage the matches in UAE, and as a result of that they lost a large part of the revenue. As the PCB was running short of funds, the domestic cricket suffered. The quality of the domestic competition went down, and it stopped producing quality younger players.

Now we have some good signs, after the successful tours by teams such as Sri Lanka and the highly successful PSL. But when everything was looking good, the COVID 19 pandemic struck.

We have biggest issue is with management because its very poor for very long time and too much interference from political peoples birnging more problems which are not going to be fix in near future as its really sad point for players and common peoples otherwise we have no other serious issue even no team coming to Pakistan for cricket.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 28, 2020, 05:20:07 AM

I love how the media suddenly gives credit to Ben Stokes words, because if my memory serves me right then wasn’t he ridiculed by the media for punching fans after his midnight drinks, and wasn’t he also punished for abusing a fan during a live cricket match this year?. Lastly I do understand that many people were disappointed with Ms Dhoni’s knock during the World Cup, but they need to understand that he’s grown old now and it’s quiet possible that he may never be able to finish matches like he used to do before, and they need to accept this harsh reality.

Many people thought the same about MSD's knock during that time just like Stokes. I still remember the commentators getting baffled since they had no idea why MSD was playing so slowly.

However, even if he played like a superhero that day, their chances of winning were quite low. As you said, MSD can't always save the team and the same happened in the semi-final.

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Quote from: Indymoney on May 29, 2020, 03:18:11 PM

In next few years Pakistan cricket have no good news and nothing good for any formate as now they already lost No 1 Sport for Twenty/20 and living very low ranking life in ODI and test formate they will stay here as currently inner politics already doing damage and this will keep for few years until we have some good changes in this all.

There is no quickfix solution for the issues faced by the PCB. They date back to at least two decades. No other team wanted to tour Pakistan during this period, because of security risks. As a result PCB was forced to stage the matches in UAE, and as a result of that they lost a large part of the revenue. As the PCB was running short of funds, the domestic cricket suffered. The quality of the domestic competition went down, and it stopped producing quality younger players.

Now we have some good signs, after the successful tours by teams such as Sri Lanka and the highly successful PSL. But when everything was looking good, the COVID 19 pandemic struck.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 29, 2020, 10:55:47 AM

Quote from: Juggy777 on May 28, 2020, 05:20:07 AM

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@JSRAW I love how the media suddenly gives credit to Ben Stokes words,

Sports journalism already ran out of juice in pandemic and Ben stokes's new book is breather for them so they picked out one line which mentioned Dhoni in hope of cheap clicks, i don't blame them as everyone experiencing some sort of challenge these days. Like Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times"

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 28, 2020, 11:48:14 AM

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https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/news/detail/pcb-announces-mens-central-contract-list-for-2020-21

OK, I must admit I totally forgot Babar Azam when I said not a single good player. Except for him, this team has no excellent player.

About Misbah, I've hated him all my life. As a captain, he brought the sense of took-took in the whole team. As a coach, he's unable to bring the much-needed aggressiveness in the performance of the team. It was his extremely good luck that he (and the team) performed good in the last couple of test series that he played as the captain.

Azhar Ali is not bad Undecided

and it seems to me or should i say bit sad to observe that there is no hope for Fawad Alam in Pakistan cricket anymore.

About this "took-took" argument, in that sense Dravid and Pujara are useless too? I am Test cricket fan so respectfully disagree Cheesy

Pakistan need some Took-Took batter in Test cricket if they want to taste any sort of success.

In next few years Pakistan cricket have no good news and nothing good for any formate as now they already lost No 1 Sport for Twenty/20 and living very low ranking life in ODI and test formate they will stay here as currently inner politics already doing damage and this will keep for few years until we have some good changes in this all.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 28, 2020, 05:20:07 AM

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@JSRAW I love how the media suddenly gives credit to Ben Stokes words,

Sports journalism already ran out of juice in pandemic and Ben stokes's new book is breather for them so they picked out one line which mentioned Dhoni in hope of cheap clicks, i don't blame them as everyone experiencing some sort of challenge these days. Like Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times"

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 28, 2020, 11:48:14 AM

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https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/news/detail/pcb-announces-mens-central-contract-list-for-2020-21

OK, I must admit I totally forgot Babar Azam when I said not a single good player. Except for him, this team has no excellent player.

About Misbah, I've hated him all my life. As a captain, he brought the sense of took-took in the whole team. As a coach, he's unable to bring the much-needed aggressiveness in the performance of the team. It was his extremely good luck that he (and the team) performed good in the last couple of test series that he played as the captain.

Azhar Ali is not bad Undecided

and it seems to me or should i say bit sad to observe that there is no hope for Fawad Alam in Pakistan cricket anymore.

About this "took-took" argument, in that sense Dravid and Pujara are useless too? I am Test cricket fan so respectfully disagree Cheesy

Pakistan need some Took-Took batter in Test cricket if they want to taste any sort of success.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 28, 2020, 07:03:32 PM

Afridi VS Gambhir
Kapil-Gavaskar VS Akhtar

Afridi was taking a dig at Gambhir while promoting his book and they started battling out in social media. In the situation with Akhtar he is having a youtube channel and he suggested a India Pakistan series and Kapil and Gavaskar jumped on it and he now has more contents to release in his channel Cheesy

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 28, 2020, 07:03:32 PM

Gayle VS Sarwan
Gayle has nothing to complain he is more successful than Sarwan but he also need to be in the news to earn money when he is not playing.

I thought it was unwarranted to publicly come out rather than settling inside closed doors if they had an issue with each other.

Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 28, 2020, 07:03:32 PM

Cricket is no more a gentleman's game.

To be frank cricket was never a gentleman's game and i have seen many claiming this here and hence thought of responding now. Historically it was played by the rich and it has a feudalistic history, the same with golf as you need huge property to play the game and when international cricket started it was always a battle for supremacy for centuries and now it is the battle of economics.

The word gentleman game has its roots here List of Gentlemen v Players matches ironically gentleman won the first two matches and the term might have stuck after that.

Quote from: 7788bitcoin on May 29, 2020, 08:58:41 AM

I really do not understand why everyone is crying about gentleman's game, every sport is supposed to be played according to the rule book and what is special about these phrase Roll Eyes

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As i mentioned above it is nothing but history. Hope this clears everything.

A brief history of cricket by cricinfo. So all the debates about a gentleman's game will end here.

Fun fact: First international match was played between USA and Canada and now they are the minnows in the cricketing world Cheesy

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on May 29, 2020, 05:32:33 AM

Not only cricket, I think at present the main purpose of all sports are just only making money. Whatever the purpose, the real issue is whether we can enjoy it or not. Look we watch sports cause we enjoy it, we want to enjoy our leisure time. But now some players are getting involved in arguments among themselves, which is never desirable for a cricketer. I expect cricketers will be more restrained in the future and not get involved in arguments, as a cricket fan.

Money is the important factor and with the increase in money we have more matches to bulk up the revenue, we might not get leisure time for a game of cricket because of the time period and glad that T20 was introduced.

Arguments is having because there is nothing much to do as everything is sitting at home and they need some entertainment and they are doing that by posting their thoughts on social media Cheesy

. When they are playing they do not have free time as they are mostly in the team atmosphere and when they have a rest period they usually spent time with their family and usually we used to hear from them after retirement and the COVID situation changed that Cheesy

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on May 29, 2020, 05:32:33 AM

I don't want to hear that people says "~~cricket is no more a gentleman's game.~~" Angry

I really do not understand why everyone is crying about gentleman's game, every sport is supposed to be played according to the rule book and what is special about these phrase Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on May 27, 2020, 06:17:15 PM

India lost that match intentionally to keep Pakistan out and play against the Kiwis in the semi-finals.

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Afridi VS Gambhir.
One has political ambitions and the other is already into politics. They need some issue to always remain in the limelight. The best issue is to talk about India and Pakistan.

Kapil-Gavaskar VS Akhtar.
When the world is in crisis, Akhtar comes out with a solution let's play cricket Cheesy

what else do you need only Cricket can resolve this humanity crisis..LOL

Gayle VS Sarwan
Gayle has nothing to complain he is more successful than Sarwan but he also need to be in the news to earn money when he is not playing.

Cricket is no more a gentleman's game.

Cricket now is more as a money-making machine for many of the players. that is why they all wait for the IPL to happen and the teams bid for them in any amount. More and more money they keep making via IPL and then through brand endorsement, attending different events and they charge for it etc. Through cricket they open the different revenue sources as well. Hope in all other streams as well it also becomes this way.

Not only cricket, I think at present the main purpose of all sports are just only making money. Whatever the purpose, the real issue is whether we can enjoy it or not. Look we watch sports cause we enjoy it, we want to enjoy our leisure time. But now some players are getting involved in arguments among themselves, which is never desirable for a cricketer. I expect cricketers will be more restrained in the future and not get involved in arguments, as a cricket fan. I don't want to hear that people says "~~cricket is no more a gentleman's game.~~" Angry

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