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Quote from: JSRAW on January 16, 2020, 04:43:25 AM

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on January 15, 2020, 05:40:35 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2020, 06:58:39 AM

~Rant~

Nicely written, merited!
...but I'm not sure why
I want this all to happen again
in the next ODI!

I can understand the sentiments of our neighbours but Solace in others misery is not a good thing Tongue

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Well, I hope Indians don't lose again tomorrow like the way they lost this one. Aussies, please lower the winning margin from next time; at least lose a couple of wickets before completing the target so that Smith too can get a chance to bash Shami and Bumrah!

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Quote from: ene1980 on January 15, 2020, 03:32:53 PM

Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 03:06:09 PM

They didn't played more cricket recently and also flat pitch has no help for the bowlers so I won't blame them.Every blame should go to batting side,if they scored more runs then the course of the match will be completely different.

Are you telling that India did not play ODI cricket and if that is the case Australia too did not play ODI in a very long time and with the way in which Australian openers played i bet no total would have been safe, India does depend upon two players mainly to score the bulk of the runs, especially Rohit Sharma in the top order and Kohli and if they fail then India usually struggles and that is what we saw in the first ODI and India does have problem with the middle order and with a good team like Australia it is exposed and what changes they can make determines how the second ODI goes.

Those returned players were out of form so it will affect their performance which happened by the way.

Quote from: Haunebu on January 16, 2020, 02:28:35 AM

Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 03:06:09 PM

They didn't played more cricket recently and also flat pitch has no help for the bowlers so I won't blame them.Every blame should go to batting side,if they scored more runs then the course of the match will be completely different.

I disagree. It is possible to win matches even if the scores are below par as long as the bowlers perform exceptionally well even if its a batting track. Every department failed here which is why the majority of the team should be blamed(Not just the batsmen).

Last match's pitch was very flat so there is no help for the bowlers and its very easy to make stoke plays on that pitch but Indian batting line up didn't so the score was below and I won't call everyone should be blamed.

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What about tomorrow's match (at Rajkot)? I have a feeling that India is going to win this one. They were complacent during the first match, but after the shock treatment they got now they are going to fight like wounded tigers. I won't be surprised if Shardul Thakur is replaced by Navdeep Saini. But apart from that, I don't expect any changes to the playing XI.

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Quote from: TalkStar on January 16, 2020, 05:55:39 AM

Let's add more words with that,

Pitch was Flat
Warner & finch came to bat

India was looking for wicket
Aussie next batsman's were ready with bat and pad

Warner and finch bat so hard
Both of them made hundred

Kohli was looking for a chance to win
Warner and finch didn't gave him

Lol. Good one though I would make a few changes. Example: I would replace the last part like this:

Kohli was looking for a chance to win
Australia grabbed his hope and placed it in a recycle bin

I like these rapping games. We definitely need to do this more often.

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Quote from: TalkStar on January 16, 2020, 05:55:39 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2020, 06:58:39 AM

Pitch was Flat
Humiliating for Indian fans
OZ were outstanding

Rohit was rusty
Dhawan-Rahul misfired
kohli saying - Ben $%#$-

Sheyas got scared
Pant is a dud
Jadeja meh meh meh

Shardul tried to fit
Kuldeep was unlucky
Aussie hammered rest of them

Let's add more words with that,

Pitch was Flat
Warner & finch came to bat

India was looking for wicket
Aussie next batsman's were ready with bat and pad

Warner and finch bat so hard
Both of them made hundred

Kohli was looking for a chance to win
Warner and finch didn't gave him

Well described, and the rhyming sense is good. Myself too wish adding some words to the poem.

None expected such a game, but
It resembled same as India beating Bangladesh.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2020, 06:58:39 AM

Pitch was Flat
Humiliating for Indian fans
OZ were outstanding

Rohit was rusty
Dhawan-Rahul misfired
kohli saying - Ben $%#$-

Sheyas got scared
Pant is a dud
Jadeja meh meh meh

Shardul tried to fit
Kuldeep was unlucky
Aussie hammered rest of them

Let's add more words with that,

Pitch was Flat
Warner & finch came to bat

India was looking for wicket
Aussie next batsman's were ready with bat and pad

Warner and finch bat so hard
Both of them made hundred

Kohli was looking for a chance to win
Warner and finch didn't gave him

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on January 15, 2020, 05:40:35 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2020, 06:58:39 AM

~Rant~

Nicely written, merited!
...but I'm not sure why
I want this all to happen again
in the next ODI!

I can understand the sentiments of our neighbours but Solace in others misery is not a good thing Tongue

.

Guys its just one loss and every team is allowed to play bad once in a while.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 15, 2020, 08:36:45 PM

Quote from: ene1980 on January 15, 2020, 03:32:53 PM

Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 03:06:09 PM

They didn't played more cricket recently and also flat pitch has no help for the bowlers so I won't blame them.Every blame should go to batting side,if they scored more runs then the course of the match will be completely different.

Are you telling that India did not play ODI cricket and if that is the case Australia too did not play ODI in a very long time and with the way in which Australian openers played i bet no total would have been safe, India does depend upon two players mainly to score the bulk of the runs, especially Rohit Sharma in the top order and Kohli and if they fail then India usually struggles and that is what we saw in the first ODI and India does have problem with the middle order and with a good team like Australia it is exposed and what changes they can make determines how the second ODI goes.

Players such as Bumrah, Mohammed Shami and Rohit were returning to the side after significant breaks and these players didn't looked as if they were very comfortable out there. On the other hand, the Australian players were back from their terrific series against New Zealand and that explains the good fitness levels shown by them. Indian senior players don't usually participate in the domestic tournaments, and that explains their lack of preparation. Bumrah was supposed to play in one Ranji Trophy match. But at the last moment, he decided to withdraw.

If you’ll want someone to blame then blame the selectors who have failed to find strong middle order batsman for team India, also the team management should explain why they’re not taking actions against players who don’t play in the domestic matches to keep themselves fit. It’s also pertinent to note that over reliance on Indian Captain Virat and Rohit is hurting team India, and hence I feel that selectors should take bold steps and remove non performing players from the team.

Sources:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-vs-sri-lanka-can-t-be-dependent-on-two-guys-or-three-virat-kohli-wants-middle-order-to-step-up/story-cSstCqXxNucon4Pnh2AjNM.html

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-vs-australia-a-strategy-india-need-to-rethink-stats-reveal-big-weak-point-in-virat-kohli-brigade/story-SIcfUOXJ0wiHj3DY3v0GMJ.html

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cricket/jasprit-bumrah-fitness-injury-sourav-ganguly-bcci-gujarat-kerala-ranji-trophy/article30395067.ece

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Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 03:06:09 PM

They didn't played more cricket recently and also flat pitch has no help for the bowlers so I won't blame them.Every blame should go to batting side,if they scored more runs then the course of the match will be completely different.

I disagree. It is possible to win matches even if the scores are below par as long as the bowlers perform exceptionally well even if its a batting track. Every department failed here which is why the majority of the team should be blamed(Not just the batsmen).

Quote from: ene1980 on January 15, 2020, 02:25:27 PM

accept that it was a dominant performance by Australia and India need to perform better if they need to win the second match Wink

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Agreed. India was outclassed in every department basically and they need to kick things up a notch performance wise if they want to win the upcoming matches.

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Quote from: ene1980 on January 15, 2020, 03:32:53 PM

Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 03:06:09 PM

They didn't played more cricket recently and also flat pitch has no help for the bowlers so I won't blame them.Every blame should go to batting side,if they scored more runs then the course of the match will be completely different.

Are you telling that India did not play ODI cricket and if that is the case Australia too did not play ODI in a very long time and with the way in which Australian openers played i bet no total would have been safe, India does depend upon two players mainly to score the bulk of the runs, especially Rohit Sharma in the top order and Kohli and if they fail then India usually struggles and that is what we saw in the first ODI and India does have problem with the middle order and with a good team like Australia it is exposed and what changes they can make determines how the second ODI goes.

Players such as Bumrah, Mohammed Shami and Rohit were returning to the side after significant breaks and these players didn't looked as if they were very comfortable out there. On the other hand, the Australian players were back from their terrific series against New Zealand and that explains the good fitness levels shown by them. Indian senior players don't usually participate in the domestic tournaments, and that explains their lack of preparation. Bumrah was supposed to play in one Ranji Trophy match. But at the last moment, he decided to withdraw.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2020, 06:58:39 AM

Pitch was Flat
Humiliating for Indian fans
OZ were outstanding

Rohit was rusty
Dhawan-Rahul misfired
kohli saying - Ben $%#$-

Sheyas got scared
Pant is a dud
Jadeja meh meh meh

Shardul tried to fit
Kuldeep was unlucky
Aussie hammered rest of them

Nicely written, merited!
...but I'm not sure why
I want this all to happen again
in the next ODI! Grin

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Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 03:06:09 PM

They didn't played more cricket recently and also flat pitch has no help for the bowlers so I won't blame them.Every blame should go to batting side,if they scored more runs then the course of the match will be completely different.

Are you telling that India did not play ODI cricket and if that is the case Australia too did not play ODI in a very long time and with the way in which Australian openers played i bet no total would have been safe, India does depend upon two players mainly to score the bulk of the runs, especially Rohit Sharma in the top order and Kohli and if they fail then India usually struggles and that is what we saw in the first ODI and India does have problem with the middle order and with a good team like Australia it is exposed and what changes they can make determines how the second ODI goes.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 15, 2020, 11:42:18 AM

Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 11:33:03 AM

I remember that question someone asked India is best so they can win this t20 world cup and it is the answer for that,best team not can give their best all the time.

Openers struggled a bit which can happen any time but the middle order should make up for that which is the reason for today's lost IMHO.When there is not enough runs on the board bowlers also will lose their confidence.

I have also noticed the same. India looks really strong on paper. But they have failed during a lot of pressure situations. On the other hand, teams such as Australia and England perform better than India under these conditions. Another issue is the lack of preparedness. During the last match, it looked as if some of the players (especially Bumrah and Shardul) faced difficulties in adjusting to the conditions.

They didn't played more cricket recently and also flat pitch has no help for the bowlers so I won't blame them.Every blame should go to batting side,if they scored more runs then the course of the match will be completely different.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 15, 2020, 09:39:10 AM

India was a bit rusty. They were overconfident, probably due to all those one sided matches involving them recently. On the other hand, the Australians were very professional and made no mistakes in any of the departments. Australia was the visiting team and yet it looked as if the hosts were under-prepared and the visitors had made a lot of effort in acclimatizing themselves.

Before the series started i have seen some telling that Australia will be rusty as they did not play many ODI after the World Cup and we have seen the first ODI and how dominant Australia was as they made some records defeating India without loosing a single wicket and now there are excuses that India was rusty, accept that it was a dominant performance by Australia and India need to perform better if they need to win the second match Wink

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2020, 01:49:58 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on January 15, 2020, 08:58:51 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 15, 2020, 04:50:17 AM

Indian batting line up is always dependent on one batsman earlier it used to be Tendulkar and nowdays it is kholi. If Kohli does not performs the whole middle order gets cracked. If any team wants to win against India they only need to get the top three batsmen and they will win the match.

You underestimate the current Indian lineup way too much. The Indian batting lineup goes deep due to plenty of capable batsmen and judging them because of a single match is pure bullshit. Plenty of match-winners in this team.

I am on same page, its true Indian team lost the game but it doesn't mean they are bad. in my point of view they are one of the best team(top2) in this decade and i am saying this without any bias or Indianness.

Quote from: Haunebu on January 15, 2020, 08:58:51 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2020, 06:58:39 AM

Pitch was Flat
Humiliating for Indian fans
OZ were outstanding

Rohit was rusty
Dhawan-Rahul misfired
kohli saying - Ben $%#$-

Sheyas got scared
Pant is a dud
Jadeja meh meh meh

Shardul tried to fit
Kuldeep was unlucky
Aussie hammered rest of them

Brilliant summary. You need to do this more often

. I don't think Shardul will last long in this squad since he seems to be a better batsman than a bowler. Chahar or Bhuvi will probably replace him in the near future.

Will try my best next time. i tried my best not to be abusive in this small rant tbh Grin

You deserve many merit points after analysis like this but sadly I have no I feel you are also crazy like me for cricket I was also on for all day and night but now sidelined for last one decade because of some serious troubles .

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 15, 2020, 08:58:51 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 15, 2020, 04:50:17 AM

Indian batting line up is always dependent on one batsman earlier it used to be Tendulkar and nowdays it is kholi. If Kohli does not performs the whole middle order gets cracked. If any team wants to win against India they only need to get the top three batsmen and they will win the match.

You underestimate the current Indian lineup way too much. The Indian batting lineup goes deep due to plenty of capable batsmen and judging them because of a single match is pure bullshit. Plenty of match-winners in this team.

I am on same page, its true Indian team lost the game but it doesn't mean they are bad. in my point of view they are one of the best team(top2) in this decade and i am saying this without any bias or Indianness.

Quote from: Haunebu on January 15, 2020, 08:58:51 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2020, 06:58:39 AM

Pitch was Flat
Humiliating for Indian fans
OZ were outstanding

Rohit was rusty
Dhawan-Rahul misfired
kohli saying - Ben $%#$-

Sheyas got scared
Pant is a dud
Jadeja meh meh meh

Shardul tried to fit
Kuldeep was unlucky
Aussie hammered rest of them

Brilliant summary. You need to do this more often

. I don't think Shardul will last long in this squad since he seems to be a better batsman than a bowler. Chahar or Bhuvi will probably replace him in the near future.

Will try my best next time. i tried my best not to be abusive in this small rant tbh Grin

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Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 11:33:03 AM

I remember that question someone asked India is best so they can win this t20 world cup and it is the answer for that,best team not can give their best all the time.

Openers struggled a bit which can happen any time but the middle order should make up for that which is the reason for today's lost IMHO.When there is not enough runs on the board bowlers also will lose their confidence.

I have also noticed the same. India looks really strong on paper. But they have failed during a lot of pressure situations. On the other hand, teams such as Australia and England perform better than India under these conditions. Another issue is the lack of preparedness. During the last match, it looked as if some of the players (especially Bumrah and Shardul) faced difficulties in adjusting to the conditions.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 15, 2020, 09:48:07 AM

Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 09:00:40 AM

How do you describe about today's match? Is that India played really poor or Australia played something exceptional.

Its good to see the terrific opening partners back into action.

It was a complete one sided match. Australia dominated the match from the beginning. I cannot accept such kind of cricket from the Indian team. They failed in all levels. They batted below par and bowled poorly. There was a lack of coordination between the players.

Such kind of a performance will always act in the favour of the opponent.

I remember that question someone asked India is best so they can win this t20 world cup and it is the answer for that,best team not can give their best all the time.

Openers struggled a bit which can happen any time but the middle order should make up for that which is the reason for today's lost IMHO.When there is not enough runs on the board bowlers also will lose their confidence.

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Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 09:00:40 AM

How do you describe about today's match? Is that India played really poor or Australia played something exceptional.

Its good to see the terrific opening partners back into action.

It was a complete one sided match. Australia dominated the match from the beginning. I cannot accept such kind of cricket from the Indian team. They failed in all levels. They batted below par and bowled poorly. There was a lack of coordination between the players.

Such kind of a performance will always act in the favour of the opponent.

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Quote from: mersal on January 15, 2020, 09:00:40 AM

How do you describe about today's match? Is that India played really poor or Australia played something exceptional.

Its good to see the terrific opening partners back into action.

India was a bit rusty. They were overconfident, probably due to all those one sided matches involving them recently. On the other hand, the Australians were very professional and made no mistakes in any of the departments. Australia was the visiting team and yet it looked as if the hosts were under-prepared and the visitors had made a lot of effort in acclimatizing themselves.

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