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Quote from: Alaric05 on December 20, 2019, 07:01:05 AM

There is no doubt that Mr captain cool Ms Dhoni will always be known for his incredible decisions and calmness on the ground because he not only played the game, he really knew the game. Things little bit changed with Kohli he is a fantastic player no doubt but sometimes odds are against him, his decisions sometimes doesn't justify the game,Correct decision on correct time made Dhoni a lucky charm for India.

No one can deny that either. MS Dhoni was better known for his cool captaincy even he is in much pressure which most captain can't; only because of his decisions, India got a lot of matches won while things could be different. Comparing Kohli with MSD would be useless I guess. Virat is best in his place. Having a captain with great wicket keeper & batting is certainly great benefit for a team; in the same manner, having a top leading batsman is also a great benefit for a team which is Kohli.
They both are pretty much good captain from their own place.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 20, 2019, 07:22:54 AM

One thing that I like about Kohli is that he is in good terms with almost all the players, partly because of his long association with them. If the captaincy is given to some other player, then he may not be able to maintain the same level of bonding. Commanding the players may be difficult for Rohit, because he doesn't have the same level of respect from the other team members, that Virat enjoys.

I have no idea what you are trying to tell here, Rohit Sharma is a senior in the limited over format than Virat Kohli and he is the captain of Mumbai Indians and why is there an issue between the players and Rohit, they both have a level of respect and i do not see any different groups in the team and if that happens then India cannot perform well like this for a long time and during the absence of Kohli, Rohit is the captain and he does have a good record.

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Quote from: quality.crypto on December 20, 2019, 01:17:34 AM

I agree with you, Kohli is aggressive when he is fielding against opponents, As a captain, he need to be aggressive in order to activate their boys because each person will be different views and thoughts. While batting he is performing well and this makes him be aggressive.

One thing that I like about Kohli is that he is in good terms with almost all the players, partly because of his long association with them. If the captaincy is given to some other player, then he may not be able to maintain the same level of bonding. Commanding the players may be difficult for Rohit, because he doesn't have the same level of respect from the other team members, that Virat enjoys.

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Quote from: mersal on December 19, 2019, 03:23:52 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2019, 02:41:57 PM

I don't buy this argument that kohli need more time, we shouldn't forget this india is yet to win any major icc tournament under his captaincy.

--Lost semis in world cup
--Lost final in champions trophy
--Messed up IPL journey as captain (2013 and counting)
--T-20 world Cup coming ( hope dhoni play lol )

If by any chance BCCI adopt 2 captains policy for different format then Rohit is good to go in limited over cricket and that would be my first choice as well. ICC tournament matters in the world cricket.

Kohli seems unlucky while captaining for big trophies,just my opinion though.

We all knows that he is aggressive captain and completely different from captain cool MSD but still India shines as best team but they need to be careful while playing big matches,more responsibility will come to captain so need to be calm rather than being aggressive while fielding against opponents.

I agree with you, Kohli is aggressive when he is fielding against opponents, As a captain, he need to be aggressive in order to activate their boys because each person will be different views and thoughts. While batting he is performing well and this makes him be aggressive.

There is no doubt that Mr captain cool Ms Dhoni will always be known for his incredible decisions and calmness on the ground because he not only played the game, he really knew the game. Things little bit changed with Kohli he is a fantastic player no doubt but sometimes odds are against him, his decisions sometimes doesn't justify the game,Correct decision on correct time made Dhoni a lucky charm for India.

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Quote from: mersal on December 19, 2019, 03:23:52 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2019, 02:41:57 PM

I don't buy this argument that kohli need more time, we shouldn't forget this india is yet to win any major icc tournament under his captaincy.

--Lost semis in world cup
--Lost final in champions trophy
--Messed up IPL journey as captain (2013 and counting)
--T-20 world Cup coming ( hope dhoni play lol )

If by any chance BCCI adopt 2 captains policy for different format then Rohit is good to go in limited over cricket and that would be my first choice as well. ICC tournament matters in the world cricket.

Kohli seems unlucky while captaining for big trophies,just my opinion though.

We all knows that he is aggressive captain and completely different from captain cool MSD but still India shines as best team but they need to be careful while playing big matches,more responsibility will come to captain so need to be calm rather than being aggressive while fielding against opponents.

I agree with you, Kohli is aggressive when he is fielding against opponents, As a captain, he need to be aggressive in order to activate their boys because each person will be different views and thoughts. While batting he is performing well and this makes him be aggressive.

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Quote from: RapTarX on December 19, 2019, 12:13:41 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2019, 11:24:54 AM

Bhai, BCCI already does that. Every time kohli skips any ODI or T-20 series, Rohit steps up as a captain and his winning stats speaks for itself. not to mention his IPL gig as a captain, that's why everyone fancy about this scenario.

I don't really feel any need of thinking/replacing/trying any other player as captain. Virat Kohli is really doing pretty well I guess. He needs some more time, eventually he will be one of the best as well. He has still a lot of time to lead the team. Moreover, Rohit is a proven good captain; can be replaced as well latwr if needed.

Well.. that's the point. Virat Kohli is doing pretty well, and in my opinion there is no need to change the captaincy. I guess Rohit can assume the responsibilities, in cases where Virat is not available. The current Indian team is perhaps the most stable one we had for the last three decades and I don't want to destroy that stability. Just give another 2-3 years to Virat, and I am sure that he'll be able to make the Indian team no.1 in all the three formats. I agree that he didn't had much success with the ICC tournaments. But it has more to do with back luck, rather than a lack of skills.

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Quote from: mersal on December 19, 2019, 03:23:52 PM

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Kohli seems unlucky while captaining for big trophies,just my opinion though.

We all knows that he is aggressive captain and completely different from captain cool MSD but still India shines as best team but they need to be careful while playing big matches,more responsibility will come to captain so need to be calm rather than being aggressive while fielding against opponents.

Do you really think that Kohli is really unlucky or he is just aggressive all the time, you cannot win like that all the time as a team as he might perform but you have to remember that it is a team sport and if the captain is aggressive and then there are young players it will put a massive amount of pressure for these members to perform and it might not come out as planned and that is the biggest problem i see in him as a captain.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2019, 02:41:57 PM

I don't buy this argument that kohli need more time, we shouldn't forget this india is yet to win any major icc tournament under his captaincy.

--Lost semis in world cup
--Lost final in champions trophy
--Messed up IPL journey as captain (2013 and counting)
--T-20 world Cup coming ( hope dhoni play lol )

If by any chance BCCI adopt 2 captains policy for different format then Rohit is good to go in limited over cricket and that would be my first choice as well. ICC tournament matters in the world cricket.

Kohli seems unlucky while captaining for big trophies,just my opinion though.

We all knows that he is aggressive captain and completely different from captain cool MSD but still India shines as best team but they need to be careful while playing big matches,more responsibility will come to captain so need to be calm rather than being aggressive while fielding against opponents.

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Quote from: RapTarX on December 19, 2019, 12:13:41 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2019, 11:24:54 AM

Bhai, BCCI already does that. Every time kohli skips any ODI or T-20 series, Rohit steps up as a captain and his winning stats speaks for itself. not to mention his IPL gig as a captain, that's why everyone fancy about this scenario.

I don't really feel any need of thinking/replacing/trying any other player as captain. Virat Kohli is really doing pretty well I guess. He needs some more time, eventually he will be one of the best as well. He has still a lot of time to lead the team. Moreover, Rohit is a proven good captain; can be replaced as well latwr if needed.

I don't want any changes on captaincy either but for completely different reasons. Main reason is i prefer one captain for all 3 formats (pointed by @mersal too ) and as of now Rohit is not established player in the test format despite his excellent performance in home season. In india if you are not performing in SENA countries (test) then no one consider you captain material. So Virat is irreplaceable in the test, under his captaincy india is doing exceptionally well with out any doubt ( despite many fuck ups in SA and ENG). Ajinkya Rahane was in race for test captaincy though but he's a old news now.

In shorter format its different ball game and i don't really enjoy his captaincy when i compare him with Rohit. I don't buy this argument that kohli need more time, we shouldn't forget this india is yet to win any major icc tournament under his captaincy.

--Lost semis in world cup
--Lost final in champions trophy
--Messed up IPL journey as captain (2013 and counting)
--T-20 world Cup coming ( hope dhoni play lol )

If by any chance BCCI adopt 2 captains policy for different format then Rohit is good to go in limited over cricket and that would be my first choice as well. ICC tournament matters in the world cricket.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2019, 11:24:54 AM

Bhai, BCCI already does that. Every time kohli skips any ODI or T-20 series, Rohit steps up as a captain and his winning stats speaks for itself. not to mention his IPL gig as a captain, that's why everyone fancy about this scenario.

I don't really feel any need of thinking/replacing/trying any other player as captain. Virat Kohli is really doing pretty well I guess. He needs some more time, eventually he will be one of the best as well. He has still a lot of time to lead the team. Moreover, Rohit is a proven good captain; can be replaced as well latwr if needed.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on December 19, 2019, 11:08:36 AM

IPL Kohli is a disappointment because he is not a better captain in the T20 format as i consider Dhoni as the best captain ever and he will find something out of nothing when you need a wicket and there will be no other captain like that ever again.

Kohli is not the entire reason for it, other members and the team management because they have to pick right player to be as team but RC always concentrate on best players by spending crores but they seems not fit to work as time mostly.Even RCB never won a trophy I still love them because they have best scores all around but missing some edge on all their seasons.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2019, 11:24:54 AM

Bhai, BCCI already does that. Every time kohli skips any ODI or T-20 series, Rohit steps up as a captain and his winning stats speaks for itself. not to mention his IPL gig as a captain, that's why everyone fancy about this scenario.

I consider Rohit Sharma to be a much better tactician than Virat Kohli in the T20 version, Virat Kohli is aggressive as a captain and he likes challenges but when it comes to strategy he lack that and i have not seen him win matches uses strategies like Dhoni does who was a master strategist India ever had, India is not looking to groom Rohit as a future captain but he is more than capable of leading the side in the absence of Kohli as he is established as the captain for a very long time considering his personal performance as a captain.

Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on December 19, 2019, 11:08:36 AM

Sachin was never the same when he was the captain

You cannot compare Sachin as a captain, just look at the team members and the quality of the team when he was the captain and the pressure will get him, if he was the captain with the same group of players i bet he would be a huge success.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 19, 2019, 11:13:45 AM

Quote from: mersal on December 19, 2019, 09:25:19 AM

Having same capitain for all the three format has its advantage,I just said Rohit is also capable of doing the capitaincy and I don't think BCCI looking for any replacement before the next world cup tournament, just let the players to settle down as captain then they can give better performance.

In that case let the BCCI make Rohit Sharma the replacement captain, in addition to his current role as the vice-captain of the team. In matches where Virat Kohli is unavailable to play, Rohit can lead the team. In that way, he can gain good experience and when the requirement comes he may be considered for the role of permanent captain.

Bhai, BCCI already does that. Every time kohli skips any ODI or T-20 series, Rohit steps up as a captain and his winning stats speaks for itself. not to mention his IPL gig as a captain, that's why everyone fancy about this scenario.

Old article but fits here.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket/captaincy-report-card-of-virat-kohli-and-rohit-sharma-in-all-formats

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Quote from: mersal on December 19, 2019, 09:25:19 AM

Having same capitain for all the three format has its advantage,I just said Rohit is also capable of doing the capitaincy and I don't think BCCI looking for any replacement before the next world cup tournament, just let the players to settle down as captain then they can give better performance.

In that case let the BCCI make Rohit Sharma the replacement captain, in addition to his current role as the vice-captain of the team. In matches where Virat Kohli is unavailable to play, Rohit can lead the team. In that way, he can gain good experience and when the requirement comes he may be considered for the role of permanent captain.

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Quote from: mersal on December 19, 2019, 04:38:47 AM

Agree with this, because he is doing exceptional work as captain for Mumbai Indians franchise for many more years so he can able to lead the team,kohli also been captain for RCB too long but not much successive on it.

The main difference is that Virat Kohli performs better as a captain and we never had a captain who shines when the pressure of captaincy is them, Sachin was never the same when he was the captain and so does many but in the IPL Kohli is a disappointment because he is not a better captain in the T20 format as i consider Dhoni as the best captain ever and he will find something out of nothing when you need a wicket and there will be no other captain like that ever again.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 19, 2019, 09:11:47 AM

Quote from: mersal on December 19, 2019, 04:38:47 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2019, 03:42:28 AM

sometimes i feel that Rohit should be a captain for India in the shorter format. He handles pressure beautifully when things go south.

Agree with this, because he is doing exceptional work as captain for Mumbai Indians franchise for many more years so he can able to lead the team,kohli also been captain for RCB too long but not much successive on it.

I am not in favor of this idea. Let's have the same guy as the captain for all the three formats. Virat Kohli is the most suitable guy for the job and in the past he has carried out his captaincy duties in an excellent and unbiased manner. I don't have anything against Rohit Sharma. He is a nice player, and it may be better for him to concentrate on his batting. Let's have a stable team, with Virat leading the team for the next 5-6 years.

Having same capitain for all the three format has its advantage,I just said Rohit is also capable of doing the capitaincy and I don't think BCCI looking for any replacement before the next world cup tournament, just let the players to settle down as captain then they can give better performance.

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Quote from: mersal on December 19, 2019, 04:38:47 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2019, 03:42:28 AM

sometimes i feel that Rohit should be a captain for India in the shorter format. He handles pressure beautifully when things go south.

Agree with this, because he is doing exceptional work as captain for Mumbai Indians franchise for many more years so he can able to lead the team,kohli also been captain for RCB too long but not much successive on it.

I am not in favor of this idea. Let's have the same guy as the captain for all the three formats. Virat Kohli is the most suitable guy for the job and in the past he has carried out his captaincy duties in an excellent and unbiased manner. I don't have anything against Rohit Sharma. He is a nice player, and it may be better for him to concentrate on his batting. Let's have a stable team, with Virat leading the team for the next 5-6 years.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 19, 2019, 03:42:28 AM

sometimes i feel that Rohit should be a captain for India in the shorter format. He handles pressure beautifully when things go south.

Agree with this, because he is doing exceptional work as captain for Mumbai Indians franchise for many more years so he can able to lead the team,kohli also been captain for RCB too long but not much successive on it.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 18, 2019, 10:21:25 PM

Quote from: Little Mouse on December 18, 2019, 08:32:50 PM

Revenge of what? They just played what they need to. If India lost this match too, India lost the series also. That's why they just gave their best to win the match. It is common to see good match from Rohit if he is standing long time with bat.

LOL... Rohit Sharma would be regarded as a legendary player, if he was playing for any of the other countries. But in India, we have such powerful batsmen such as Virat Kohli and Mahendra Singh Dhoni who overshadows Rohit. The opening combination of Rohit Sharma and KL Rahul have become a permanent component of the Indian bating lineup, after much experimenting. Considering the fact that both these players are quite young, we can expect this combination to last for another 5-6 years. And who knows, they may be able to make a name for themselves, similar to the Ganguly-Sachin combination.

I consider him great in the shorter format ( Critics might say he struggle when ball moves but its true for every modern opener, for example; David Warner). Legendary tags comes along when batsmen prove their worth in the test format and he's doing exceptionally well in the Test format, at least in recent home season. but i agree with the sentiments over all and sometimes i feel that Rohit should be a captain for India in the shorter format. He handles pressure beautifully when things go south.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 18, 2019, 01:22:56 PM

Does anyone really think that the West Indies will be able to put up a fight in the third ODI? The Indians can lose to teams outside the Big 3 only if they are complacent. And this was the reason why they lost the first ODI. But now they are back to peak form and we can expect a similar result for the last match as well. The only thing that didn't went in India's favor was Virat Kohli's dismissal for 0. Perhaps he got bored after sitting in the pavilion till the 37th over.

@Vishnu.Reang it’s difficult to say this because West Indies started the series brilliantly by beating India, but in yesterday’s game team India outclassed them in every department hence we don’t know how they’ll perform in the third match. The Indian captains dismissal was a good thing as it gave a chance for other players to step up and perform in his absence, and I feel India’s batman’s performed well in his absence.

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