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Quote from: Little Mouse on November 09, 2019, 12:30:36 AM

It's the length, nothing else.

Exactly. Some do like and some don't. Its just that in India we don't find many liking this format (length being the issue like you said). Sometimes opponents also matters (IMO).

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Quote from: Avirunes on November 09, 2019, 12:22:29 AM

I don't think so that ODI is losing popularity. It's still that same packed stadium here. So I don't think its gonna happen either way.
Regarding changing format, the problem in Test no getting attention I can guess we can change that first need to determine the cause properly for the decline in crowd attendance.

Outside South Asia, it looks like ODI cricket is losing popularity. Almost all the test playing nations and many of the associate nations have now started high voltage T20 franchise tournaments and nowadays a lot of the fans prefer these leagues when compared to international cricket (especially ODI and test). My suggestion is that cricket needs to change with time and the ICC needs to stop giving unfair advantage to the formats which have waning popularity among the fans.

Well cricket fans have different kind of mindset and preference around the globe. In India we have Test not being popular while in England they find test entertaining to watch. Its same with other format as well. Its not kinda goes all hand-in-hand with every area and nor will come close in future I guess.

I though think you have something in your point with increase/decrease in no. of games in format instead of changing the format.

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Quote from: Avirunes on November 09, 2019, 12:22:29 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on November 08, 2019, 10:58:38 PM

If ODI is losing popularity, then the ICC can consider conducting more T20 matches and reducing the number of ODIs. But changing the format is not the right solution, IMO.

I don't think so that ODI is losing popularity. It's still that same packed stadium here. So I don't think its gonna happen either way.

Regarding changing format, the problem in Test no getting attention I can guess we can change that first need to determine the cause properly for the decline in crowd attendance.

Yes ODI would not lose popularity reason being the game gets over in a days’ time and those cricket fans would like to watch the match for some hours where both teams batting and bowling skills could be displayed and which is also not in a very short format like T20. So ODI is perfect for them.

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Quote from: Avirunes on November 09, 2019, 12:22:29 AM

I don't think so that ODI is losing popularity. It's still that same packed stadium here. So I don't think its gonna happen either way.
Regarding changing format, the problem in Test no getting attention I can guess we can change that first need to determine the cause properly for the decline in crowd attendance.

Outside South Asia, it looks like ODI cricket is losing popularity. Almost all the test playing nations and many of the associate nations have now started high voltage T20 franchise tournaments and nowadays a lot of the fans prefer these leagues when compared to international cricket (especially ODI and test). My suggestion is that cricket needs to change with time and the ICC needs to stop giving unfair advantage to the formats which have waning popularity among the fans.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 08, 2019, 10:58:38 PM

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 08, 2019, 02:49:50 PM

Have you seen the proposition of Sachin Tendulkar to revamp the ODI 50 overs to four innings 25 overs per side, do you think it will improve ODI or will destroy the entertaining factor, considering the T20 matches are taking over all these formats there is nothing wrong in experimenting but the biggest question is whether any board will start experimenting the ODI format anytime soon.

I think reshaping it to 25 overs a side is somewhat similar to T-20 (just a 5 overs- a side difference). TBH seems a little bit odd proposition to me. I am not sure what is the factor behind it but I am gonna guess it should be crowd related. If it is then I don't think we have low crowd issues in ODI. Even in ODI's that India play outside we have more crowd then the hosting countries. Just for Test it seems like a concern but for other formats I don't they have any crowd related issue.

Having a break after 25 overs is OK. But limiting the innings to 25 overs will make it too similar to T20, as you have already posted.

I think eaLiTy is talking about 4 innings of 25 overs, not limiting it within 25 overs per side. Anyway, I don't think this will help much towards increasing popularity or visitors. Still it requires 12 hours almost.

Quote from: Avirunes on November 09, 2019, 12:22:29 AM

Regarding changing format, the problem in Test no getting attention I can guess we can change that first need to determine the cause properly for the decline in crowd attendance.

It's the length, nothing else.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 08, 2019, 10:58:38 PM

If ODI is losing popularity, then the ICC can consider conducting more T20 matches and reducing the number of ODIs. But changing the format is not the right solution, IMO.

I don't think so that ODI is losing popularity. It's still that same packed stadium here. So I don't think its gonna happen either way.

Regarding changing format, the problem in Test no getting attention I can guess we can change that first need to determine the cause properly for the decline in crowd attendance.

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Quote from: Avirunes on November 08, 2019, 07:19:09 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on November 08, 2019, 02:49:50 PM

Have you seen the proposition of Sachin Tendulkar to revamp the ODI 50 overs to four innings 25 overs per side, do you think it will improve ODI or will destroy the entertaining factor, considering the T20 matches are taking over all these formats there is nothing wrong in experimenting but the biggest question is whether any board will start experimenting the ODI format anytime soon.

I think reshaping it to 25 overs a side is somewhat similar to T-20 (just a 5 overs- a side difference). TBH seems a little bit odd proposition to me. I am not sure what is the factor behind it but I am gonna guess it should be crowd related. If it is then I don't think we have low crowd issues in ODI. Even in ODI's that India play outside we have more crowd then the hosting countries. Just for Test it seems like a concern but for other formats I don't they have any crowd related issue.

Having a break after 25 overs is OK. But limiting the innings to 25 overs will make it too similar to T20, as you have already posted. The bowlers will lose whatever advantage they have currently, in case the innings is shortened to 25 overs. We already have T20, and therefore I don't think that further shortening the ODI format will be a good idea. If ODI is losing popularity, then the ICC can consider conducting more T20 matches and reducing the number of ODIs. But changing the format is not the right solution, IMO.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 08, 2019, 02:49:50 PM

Have you seen the proposition of Sachin Tendulkar to revamp the ODI 50 overs to four innings 25 overs per side, do you think it will improve ODI or will destroy the entertaining factor, considering the T20 matches are taking over all these formats there is nothing wrong in experimenting but the biggest question is whether any board will start experimenting the ODI format anytime soon.

I think reshaping it to 25 overs a side is somewhat similar to T-20 (just a 5 overs- a side difference). TBH seems a little bit odd proposition to me. I am not sure what is the factor behind it but I am gonna guess it should be crowd related. If it is then I don't think we have low crowd issues in ODI. Even in ODI's that India play outside we have more crowd then the hosting countries. Just for Test it seems like a concern but for other formats I don't they have any crowd related issue.

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Quote from: Indymoney on November 08, 2019, 03:01:28 PM

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I don't think any board going to try this as we already have twenty/20 version and its not going to help as now many new leagues coming with different ways and its already hurting too much ODI they just need to do some better for this format like equal chance for both bowlers and batsmen because right now most things helping batting not bowling.

The ICC is trying their best to attract the audience for Test matches and we might see a time when you find it difficult to attract a crowd in the 50 over game and if that happens then these instructions can be implemented, it is a good concept if the ICC is considering to experiment with cricket and it will be fun for the audience and the main purpose is revenue in any sport and if they think that they can earn more revenue with these changes they might go for it.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 08, 2019, 02:49:50 PM

Have you seen the proposition of Sachin Tendulkar to revamp the ODI 50 overs to four innings 25 overs per side, do you think it will improve ODI or will destroy the entertaining factor, considering the T20 matches are taking over all these formats there is nothing wrong in experimenting but the biggest question is whether any board will start experimenting the ODI format anytime soon.

I don't think any board going to try this as we already have twenty/20 version and its not going to help as now many new leagues coming with different ways and its already hurting too much ODI they just need to do some better for this format like equal chance for both bowlers and batsmen because right now most things helping batting not bowling.

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Have you seen the proposition of Sachin Tendulkar to revamp the ODI 50 overs to four innings 25 overs per side, do you think it will improve ODI or will destroy the entertaining factor, considering the T20 matches are taking over all these formats there is nothing wrong in experimenting but the biggest question is whether any board will start experimenting the ODI format anytime soon.

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Quote from: ene1980 on November 08, 2019, 04:58:08 AM

Mohammad Shahzad was their best player who always gave them a good start and i have no idea why he was suspended, they need to find good batsman if they need to continue challenging the top teams.

The explanation that the Afghan cricket board gave is that he had breached the ACB’s Code of Conduct, and therefore suspended for an "indefinite" period. Rather than hurting Shahzad, it seems to be hurting the Afghans more. Things were not warm between Shahzad and the ACB for quite some time. Ever since he was excluded from the world cup (2019 CWC) squad, Shahzad was threatening to retire from international cricket. And back in 2018, he was suspended for a few months for playing in a Pakistani T20 tournament without ACB's NOC.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 07, 2019, 09:24:07 AM

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Let's not forget the fact that this time the West Indies squad comprised of all the T20 stars. I am talking about players such as Kieron Pollard, Jason Holder, Evin Lewis, Shimron Hetmyer, Roston Chase, and Nicholas Pooran. The Afghan spin attack ranks among one of the best, but without enough runs on board there is a limit for what they can do out there.

The pitch report said that it will help the spinners and Afghanistan has good spinners and they have Rashid Khan who is a world class spinners but if they are not able to score runs then there is no defending those small totals even if you have the worlds best bowling line up. Afghanistan will be a challenge in the T20 format as they have big hitters and some good spinners.

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Both their batsmen and the pace bowlers are out of form. They have been facing issues with top order batting ever since Mohammad Shahzad was suspended for indiscipline. They have tried a number of opening batsmen, and unfortunately none of the combinations have worked till now.

Mohammad Shahzad was their best player who always gave them a good start and i have no idea why he was suspended, they need to find good batsman if they need to continue challenging the top teams.

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So many Cricket matches going on currently that it is tough to keep track(India vs Ban, NZ vs ENG etc). Just checked out the highlights of this match and am sad to see Chase miss his century by such a small margin.

Chase has become a major asset for the WI team these days. He is performing well with both bat and ball and I think he will become a permanent addition in the team. Expected a lot more from Alzarri Joseph(Amazing IPL debut), but he disappointed me. Lets see how Afghanistan will retaliate.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 07, 2019, 09:24:07 AM

Quote from: ene1980 on November 06, 2019, 01:21:16 PM

The pitch report said that it will aide the spinners but none of the Afghanistan spinners were able to take the wickets and since the total was not that huge West Indies took its time and chased the total easily. Case was the player of the match as he bowled really well and took wickets when needed and that put the pressure on the Afghanistan batsman when they were batting and then he batted really well after West Indies loosing a couple of early wickets.

Let's not forget the fact that this time the West Indies squad comprised of all the T20 stars. I am talking about players such as Kieron Pollard, Jason Holder, Evin Lewis, Shimron Hetmyer, Roston Chase, and Nicholas Pooran. The Afghan spin attack ranks among one of the best, but without enough runs on board there is a limit for what they can do out there.

Also, for Afghanistan right now only spin bowling is doing well. Both their batsmen and the pace bowlers are out of form. They have been facing issues with top order batting ever since Mohammad Shahzad was suspended for indiscipline. They have tried a number of opening batsmen, and unfortunately none of the combinations have worked till now.

Some time one bad decsion hurt too much so same happen to Afghanistan Authorities done 1 wrong decsion and team still feeling pain of this as right now they fail to replace him they still need to work on pace attack and batting line up as these both departments are not good enough for them and West Indies team done some good in first hopefully they will carry on this form rest of series.

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Quote from: ene1980 on November 06, 2019, 01:21:16 PM

The pitch report said that it will aide the spinners but none of the Afghanistan spinners were able to take the wickets and since the total was not that huge West Indies took its time and chased the total easily. Case was the player of the match as he bowled really well and took wickets when needed and that put the pressure on the Afghanistan batsman when they were batting and then he batted really well after West Indies loosing a couple of early wickets.

Let's not forget the fact that this time the West Indies squad comprised of all the T20 stars. I am talking about players such as Kieron Pollard, Jason Holder, Evin Lewis, Shimron Hetmyer, Roston Chase, and Nicholas Pooran. The Afghan spin attack ranks among one of the best, but without enough runs on board there is a limit for what they can do out there.

Also, for Afghanistan right now only spin bowling is doing well. Both their batsmen and the pace bowlers are out of form. They have been facing issues with top order batting ever since Mohammad Shahzad was suspended for indiscipline. They have tried a number of opening batsmen, and unfortunately none of the combinations have worked till now.

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Quote from: onrise on November 06, 2019, 11:26:38 AM

It was a very best sided match and West Indies showed the all round performance and would be happy the way their team has played today and would like to continue in coming matches . Chase would be unhappy as missed his century by just 6 runs and got out.

The pitch report said that it will aide the spinners but none of the Afghanistan spinners were able to take the wickets and since the total was not that huge West Indies took its time and chased the total easily. Case was the player of the match as he bowled really well and took wickets when needed and that put the pressure on the Afghanistan batsman when they were batting and then he batted really well after West Indies loosing a couple of early wickets.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on November 06, 2019, 09:56:38 AM

Easy win to pick up for WI. 57 needed from 16 overs. There was a good chance to bet for WI when Afghanistan had this 100 runs partnership in the innings.

West Indies was playing with a new captain and a young team as i could not find their big stars except Pollard and still they were able defeat Afghanistan easily. First time i am seeing Chase bat like this in ODI and i thought the Afghanistan spinners can trouble the players because the pitch was spinner friendly and they were playing in India but West Indies chased the score with much rush and won the match but Chase missed his century looking to finish the match fast.

I think problem still is with batting of Afghanistan. Their bowling attack is full of stars especially when it comes to spin. Even in the lower order they have Mohammad Nabi who pretty much justifies his spot. Problem is a good batting middle order. They are not in a habit of making good partnerships which win game. All they know is hit make a few runs and get back to pavilion. I think as they have started playing test cricket they might improve on this front too.

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Quote from: Indymoney on November 06, 2019, 10:52:25 AM

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on November 06, 2019, 09:56:38 AM

Easy win to pick up for WI. 57 needed from 16 overs. There was a good chance to bet for WI when Afghanistan had this 100 runs partnership in the innings.

Very easy and comfortable win for West Indies Hope and Chase both done good job for visitors after checking first match score card I am feeling West Indies can win this series very easily and we will have some interesting matches in twenty/20 series as this could be even for both teams.

It was a very best sided match and West Indies showed the all round performance and would be happy the way their team has played today and would like to continue in coming matches . Chase would be unhappy as missed his century by just 6 runs and got out.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on November 06, 2019, 09:56:38 AM

Easy win to pick up for WI. 57 needed from 16 overs. There was a good chance to bet for WI when Afghanistan had this 100 runs partnership in the innings.

West Indies was playing with a new captain and a young team as i could not find their big stars except Pollard and still they were able defeat Afghanistan easily. First time i am seeing Chase bat like this in ODI and i thought the Afghanistan spinners can trouble the players because the pitch was spinner friendly and they were playing in India but West Indies chased the score with much rush and won the match but Chase missed his century looking to finish the match fast.

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Quote from: Indymoney on November 06, 2019, 10:52:25 AM

Very easy and comfortable win for West Indies Hope and Chase both done good job for visitors after checking first match score card I am feeling West Indies can win this series very easily and we will have some interesting matches in twenty/20 series as this could be even for both teams.

Roston Chase missed his century by 6 runs and he bowled really well too taking the crucial wickets of Rahmat Shah and Zadran and he took a great catch in the outfield too, it would have been cool if he had the patience to score his century rather planning to reach the century by a six cost him his century and he mistimed it altogether. If Afghanistan can put a good total on the board then it will be a good match and you cannot say that it will be an easy series for West Indies as they are also playing with a young team.

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