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November 22, 2023, 02:41:57 AM
The defeat of the Indian cricket team in the final match against Australia can be attributed to various reasons. While the Australian bowlers displayed only average bowling quality, the Indian batsmen seemed to give away to the pressure of the importantl match. Despite Rohit Sharma providing a solid start, the top-order batsmen failed to capitalize on it. The collective nervousness of the Indian batsmen resulted in struggles against what was deemed average-quality bowling.
November 22, 2023, 12:47:38 AM
Initially, Australia did not do much better in matches where South Africa were in a better position than India from the start. But it was really interesting that the Australian team got a great victory in this World Cup by beating South Africa and getting to the final instead. Although we have seen that India have won each of their matches by a great margin from the opposing teams, but in the final match against Australia they played very badly. The five-time world champion team, Australia, won the World Cup for the sixth time with an outstanding performance against India in the final match. No one could have imagined that Australia would present such a beautiful game to everyone, but I appreciate the Australian team, who defeated India at the Indian ground and became world champions for six times.
The Indian batsmen may not have been able to take the extra pressure of the final match naturally as the Australian bowlers have not bowled very well. In the final match Australian bowlers had average bowling quality but Indian batsmen were more nervous that's why they could not deal well with the average quality ball. Rohit Sharma gave a good start, after Rohit Sharma's dismissal the top order batsmen should have done a bit better. If the top-order batsmen could have done a bit better, India's final finish would have been better. In the match India lost against Australia, there is no specific person to blame but the batsmen's combined poor performance which led to the team's loss. If India's opponent in the final match was South Africa or New Zealand instead of Australia, then India would have won this match.
November 21, 2023, 10:59:18 PM
They were very much interested in winning that final match, but Australia played well on their day. I still believed that with the form India was in, they should have won the World Cup, but unfortunately, they could not deliver on the biggest stage of World Cricket.
From the very start, after Rohit's dismissal, the Indian team looked under pressure. The Australian team had only one strategy; go hard or go home. They were putting pressure on every step of the way with their aggressive fielding and bowling. That partnership between Virat and Rahul was good, but they had not taken any chances and dried up the boundaries. This was the phase where Australia locked their victory.
From the very start, after Rohit's dismissal, the Indian team looked under pressure. The Australian team had only one strategy; go hard or go home. They were putting pressure on every step of the way with their aggressive fielding and bowling. That partnership between Virat and Rahul was good, but they had not taken any chances and dried up the boundaries. This was the phase where Australia locked their victory.
The partnership between Virat and Rahul stabilized the Indian innings. But after sometime, they had to step up the scoring rate, which they failed to do. During middle overs, India was scoring at around 3 runs per over, and that too against part-time bowlers such as Glenn Maxwell and Travis Head. And when finally they decided to accelerate, Virat got out and the innings simply collapsed. Also, horribly disappointed with Suryakumar Yadav. He was supposed to score valuable runs under pressure situations, but he failed when it mattered the most.
November 21, 2023, 10:55:19 PM
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snipAs dominant as the Indian batsmen have been throughout the World Cup, no one expected the Indian team to face such a batting disaster against Australia in the final. India even won the first round match against Australia very easily. So everyone thought that the host India team was the favorite in the final match.
Apart from India's three experienced batsmen, Rohit, Kohli and Rahul, none of the batsmen can bat well. I expected a somewhat responsible performance from Suryakumar. But as usual he also cannot play big innings. The bowling of the Australian bowlers was very controlled. At the same time we must appreciate the captaincy of Pat Cummins. Pat Cummins has managed to use the right bowler at the right time. This is why the Indian batsmen were under a lot of pressure.
November 21, 2023, 10:31:34 PM
@Helliumz in my personal opinion it felt like team India wasn’t interested in winning this match because they completely lacked the intent that Australia player’s showed and had they put in some more efforts then this would have been a real competitive match. Furthermore now I’m looking forward to the new team led by Pandya and Pant because these two can take a more aggressive approach and not surrender the match due to pressure.
They were very much interested in winning that final match, but Australia played well on their day. I still believed that with the form India was in, they should have won the World Cup, but unfortunately, they could not deliver on the biggest stage of World Cricket.
From the very start, after Rohit's dismissal, the Indian team looked under pressure. The Australian team had only one strategy; go hard or go home. They were putting pressure on every step of the way with their aggressive fielding and bowling. That partnership between Virat and Rahul was good, but they had not taken any chances and dried up the boundaries. This was the phase where Australia locked their victory.
November 21, 2023, 10:23:48 PM
The Ashes series win against England
A little correction. Australia did not win the Ashes in 2023. They just retained the trophy because the previous winner was Australia already. The Ashes series of 2023 was drawn. But, according to the Ashes rules, the previous series winner retained the trophy. I remember that England had terrible luck during the series. England could have won the 4th match but rain washed out the match.
Back to the main point. Australia played awesome in the last years but they did not play well against India right before the World Cup. Even they lost the first match against India in the group stage. But they have won the World Cup from there.
Australia's early performance was not good at all. Australia played an ODI series against India before the start of the World Cup where Australia lost the first two matches by a big margin although they won the last match against India. After losing the first two matches against India, Australia also lost against India in the World Cup tournament and Australia lost a few more matches in the first leg. Due to Australia's poor performance in the beginning, we thought that Australia might not make it to the semi-finals, but in the end, Australia turned around brilliantly and that home stand took them to the World Cup.
November 21, 2023, 10:12:03 PM
India could not perform in the final match the way India performed in the remaining ten matches except the final. Mohammed Shami, Siraj, Bumrah could not continue the way they bowled in other matches in the final match. After all, India performed very badly in the three departments of fielding, bowling, batting, for which if a team does badly in all three areas, what can be expected except defeat.
No need to blame the pacers (Mohammed Shami, Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Siraj), when the batsmen failed to do their job. A total of 240 was never going to be enough, especially in a flat track such as the one they had at the Narendra Modi Stadium in Ahmedabad. A decent total was somewhere between 260 and 280, and a winnable total was more like 280 to 300. Australia won the toss and that proved to be very crucial. Indians were a bit overconfident, and that was evident in the manner which Rohit Sharma and Shubman Gill batted.
@Helliumz in my personal opinion it felt like team India wasn’t interested in winning this match because they completely lacked the intent that Australia player’s showed and had they put in some more efforts then this would have been a real competitive match. Furthermore now I’m looking forward to the new team led by Pandya and Pant because these two can take a more aggressive approach and not surrender the match due to pressure.
November 21, 2023, 09:55:30 PM
India could not perform in the final match the way India performed in the remaining ten matches except the final. Mohammed Shami, Siraj, Bumrah could not continue the way they bowled in other matches in the final match. After all, India performed very badly in the three departments of fielding, bowling, batting, for which if a team does badly in all three areas, what can be expected except defeat.
No need to blame the pacers (Mohammed Shami, Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Siraj), when the batsmen failed to do their job. A total of 240 was never going to be enough, especially in a flat track such as the one they had at the Narendra Modi Stadium in Ahmedabad. A decent total was somewhere between 260 and 280, and a winnable total was more like 280 to 300. Australia won the toss and that proved to be very crucial. Indians were a bit overconfident, and that was evident in the manner which Rohit Sharma and Shubman Gill batted.
November 21, 2023, 09:48:42 PM
India could not perform in the final match the way India performed in the remaining ten matches except the final. Mohammed Shami, Siraj, Bumrah could not continue the way they bowled in other matches in the final match. After all, India performed very badly in the three departments of fielding, bowling, batting, for which if a team does badly in all three areas, what can be expected except defeat.
No need to blame the pacers (Mohammed Shami, Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Siraj), when the batsmen failed to do their job. A total of 240 was never going to be enough, especially in a flat track such as the one they had at the Narendra Modi Stadium in Ahmedabad. A decent total was somewhere between 260 and 280, and a winnable total was more like 280 to 300. Australia won the toss and that proved to be very crucial. Indians were a bit overconfident, and that was evident in the manner which Rohit Sharma and Shubman Gill batted.
November 21, 2023, 09:39:04 PM
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Anyway the unfortunate dismissal of Virat Kohli really change entire things for india because when he lose his wickets entire Indian team lose his confidence and Thier body language indicate that they already lose match before it actually come to end.
Australia winning the toss was crucial and the Australian fielding was really impressive and they were determined to win at any cost with the dedication they showed in the field while the Indian fielders were not that good and leaking runs, just look at the number of runs India gave in the form of extras and it was a turning track aiding the spinners and Ashwin who is one of the best spinners was not in the team. Anyway the unfortunate dismissal of Virat Kohli really change entire things for india because when he lose his wickets entire Indian team lose his confidence and Thier body language indicate that they already lose match before it actually come to end.
November 21, 2023, 09:33:25 PM
I think even if India had scored 300+ runs it would not have been too difficult for Australia to win the match. Because they went on the field without the preparation that Australia will win the 2023 World Cup, where the Australian captain said they have the experience of how to play the World Cup. Although 300 plus runs would have been difficult for Australia to win but India could not make it.
I totally disagree with your statement because if India scored 300 plus then it will be like impossible for any team to chased such high target under pressure of final and some magnificent bowling of you opponent trio, no doubt Australian has good history in ICC ODI World Cup and they always done decent in last stages of World Cup but they way indian bowling get rythm through out the tournament and performing majestic performance will make really difficult for Australian to cross such high target on thier home ground. Anyway the unfortunate dismissal of Virat Kohli really change entire things for india because when he lose his wickets entire Indian team lose his confidence and Thier body language indicate that they already lose match before it actually come to end.This exactly. Kohli's is like knot that holds the team together, I have seen someone argue here before that Kohli's SR was low and he was playing for personal milestones, I consider it incorrect, had Kohli been on crease for long while in finale we could have seen India easily score 300+ runs, and Rahul would not have played under pressure as he did.
@Bitcoin_people I don't think Australia would have been able to chase has score been 300+, India's bowling is destructive, with low score bowlers were under pressure too and it took away their freedom, we already saw Shami replacing Siraj.
There were no slip for spinners either (they were there momentarily then removed soon after), had they been there India could have gotten Travis Head early (two catches were in vain due to not having slips), then even this target would have been difficult chase for Aussies.
November 21, 2023, 04:43:10 PM
But your World best batsman never scored his century in the World Cup final,eventhough he had completed 50th century in the World Cup.His team India had not win the trophy and not lift the trophy.So personally think he only playing the individual game and never completed his century to contribute for his team when the team need his performance.This was criticism was made on Kohli by his haters,personally I had good opinion on Kohli.But his performance in the final made me to join the haters list.Because Kohli should understand what the cricket is by this big lesson.If he score alone for individual,he can play for the club and IPL .It's no use to score many hundreds,if he fail to score and make the chance the difference in the match.Australia was the true sports man to lift the World Cup,it was their six time trophy for them.
As this is a game of cricket in which anything can happen, if all the other batsmen didn't scores who says against them, no one because they always didn't make scores and the Kohli who always made scores but in this World Cup may be he didn't have good time he didn't made so it doesn't matter, BTW he was the Player of the Tournament and that rewards still goes to him.
Although if someone's is not accepting that he is the World best batsmen I didn't even care because Virat Kohli is not giving me money for that to support him haha
. So, this is a part of game just chill pill. November 21, 2023, 03:49:38 PM
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Anyway the unfortunate dismissal of Virat Kohli really change entire things for india because when he lose his wickets entire Indian team lose his confidence and Thier body language indicate that they already lose match before it actually come to end.
Australia winning the toss was crucial and the Australian fielding was really impressive and they were determined to win at any cost with the dedication they showed in the field while the Indian fielders were not that good and leaking runs, just look at the number of runs India gave in the form of extras and it was a turning track aiding the spinners and Ashwin who is one of the best spinners was not in the team. Anyway the unfortunate dismissal of Virat Kohli really change entire things for india because when he lose his wickets entire Indian team lose his confidence and Thier body language indicate that they already lose match before it actually come to end.
November 21, 2023, 03:26:58 PM
Australia was behind South Africa in the points table and India and South Africa were far ahead in terms of points, meanwhile Australia went to the last minute and got a chance in the final and they beat India in the final match and became the champion. It is a big achievement for them. India is a very good team in the game of cricket to beat that team so badly and win the match is a big thing. I always appreciate Australia's win like that. Australia won the match by 6 wickets which was a truly remarkable victory.
Australia is a team that lost two consecutive matches in this World Cup but eventually won the World Cup. India was undefeated but India went from being such favorites in the final to losing the World Cup due to a batting disaster. No one in the cricket world could have predicted that the Indian audience would end up in such a frenzy in the joyous atmosphere. 
November 21, 2023, 03:07:51 PM
Virat Kohli is still the World Best Batsman but I don't know why the Indian Media is criticizing him even he had made more runs in this World Cup. Although the Indian Team played well throughout the World Cup but they had made few mistakes in the Final Match as it also includes a catch drop from their fielders. Which puts them behind the Trophy and the Trophy of World Cup 2023 has won by Australia.
Still David Warner didn't made more runs in the Final Although its partner Trivas Head made the runs which were required for winning the match and a brilliant and smashed innings put them to a win against India in the Final. As saddened for most of the team as most of the cricketers retired in this world cup and they will not play the international cricket.
But your World best batsman never scored his century in the World Cup final,eventhough he had completed 50th century in the World Cup.His team India had not win the trophy and not lift the trophy.So personally think he only playing the individual game and never completed his century to contribute for his team when the team need his performance.This was criticism was made on Kohli by his haters,personally I had good opinion on Kohli.But his performance in the final made me to join the haters list.Because Kohli should understand what the cricket is by this big lesson.If he score alone for individual,he can play for the club and IPL .It's no use to score many hundreds,if he fail to score and make the chance the difference in the match.Australia was the true sports man to lift the World Cup,it was their six time trophy for them.
November 21, 2023, 02:37:33 PM
I think even if India had scored 300+ runs it would not have been too difficult for Australia to win the match. Because they went on the field without the preparation that Australia will win the 2023 World Cup, where the Australian captain said they have the experience of how to play the World Cup. Although 300 plus runs would have been difficult for Australia to win but India could not make it.
I totally disagree with your statement because if India scored 300 plus then it will be like impossible for any team to chased such high target under pressure of final and some magnificent bowling of you opponent trio, no doubt Australian has good history in ICC ODI World Cup and they always done decent in last stages of World Cup but they way indian bowling get rythm through out the tournament and performing majestic performance will make really difficult for Australian to cross such high target on thier home ground. Anyway the unfortunate dismissal of Virat Kohli really change entire things for india because when he lose his wickets entire Indian team lose his confidence and Thier body language indicate that they already lose match before it actually come to end.Indian bowlers played well throughout but there is a problem with the batting of Australia, as we have seen them how amazingly their reached it and how brilliantly they were fulfilled their dream of winning the World Cup. First thing is that India was good in both bowling and batting till the end of the World Cup but in the Final they were looking completely different. Nor their openers provide them a good start then the middle orders wickets were just falling and falling.
These all things matters, this was the plus point for Australia that there opener batsmen Head made runs for them, on the other side Indian openers didn't made the runs which were expected from them. Another thing is the middle order of Australia performed well while the Indian batters who come at middle order didn't perform well that's why they lost the final.
November 21, 2023, 02:29:13 PM
I think even if India had scored 300+ runs it would not have been too difficult for Australia to win the match. Because they went on the field without the preparation that Australia will win the 2023 World Cup, where the Australian captain said they have the experience of how to play the World Cup. Although 300 plus runs would have been difficult for Australia to win but India could not make it.
I totally disagree with your statement because if India scored 300 plus then it will be like impossible for any team to chased such high target under pressure of final and some magnificent bowling of you opponent trio, no doubt Australian has good history in ICC ODI World Cup and they always done decent in last stages of World Cup but they way indian bowling get rythm through out the tournament and performing majestic performance will make really difficult for Australian to cross such high target on thier home ground. Anyway the unfortunate dismissal of Virat Kohli really change entire things for india because when he lose his wickets entire Indian team lose his confidence and Thier body language indicate that they already lose match before it actually come to end. 
November 21, 2023, 01:45:57 PM
If we remember the final of the Asia Cup, we can see there that India bowled out Sri Lanka by 60 runs in the final match. But who knew that his streak would happen in the 2023 World Cup final with India vs Australia. By winning the Asia Cup, the confidence of the Indian team increased many times. India has won ten consecutive matches with power. But in the final match, the Indian team was bowled out for just 240 runs. If Shubman Gill had not been out, Australia would have been able to target around 300 runs in the final match. Australia bowled brilliantly in the final match. Australia's fielding was amazing. If we watch the game carefully, many players have done great fielding. Australia team has saved around 40 runs by fielding. The Australian team tasted its sixth championship thanks to their excellent bowling and batting.
Australia fielding was more improved then all previous matches. In the round matches Australia drops so many catches. You said only saving runs and didn't talk about ROHIT SHARMA catches taken by Travis Head. This catch was very difficult and from here I think match direction changes. ROHIT SHARMA was looking very dangerous. He was in extreme aggressive form. If he had play full powerplay then 300 runs is expected. BTW both team played well and no player should be blamed for India lost. Many team didn't even reached to qualifing round.
November 21, 2023, 01:42:54 PM
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snipAs dominant as the Indian batsmen have been throughout the World Cup, no one expected the Indian team to face such a batting disaster against Australia in the final. India even won the first round match against Australia very easily. So everyone thought that the host India team was the favorite in the final match.
Apart from India's three experienced batsmen, Rohit, Kohli and Rahul, none of the batsmen can bat well. I expected a somewhat responsible performance from Suryakumar. But as usual he also cannot play big innings. The bowling of the Australian bowlers was very controlled. At the same time we must appreciate the captaincy of Pat Cummins. Pat Cummins has managed to use the right bowler at the right time. This is why the Indian batsmen were under a lot of pressure.
November 21, 2023, 01:35:33 PM
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snipAs dominant as the Indian batsmen have been throughout the World Cup, no one expected the Indian team to face such a batting disaster against Australia in the final. India even won the first round match against Australia very easily. So everyone thought that the host India team was the favorite in the final match.
Apart from India's three experienced batsmen, Rohit, Kohli and Rahul, none of the batsmen can bat well. I expected a somewhat responsible performance from Suryakumar. But as usual he also cannot play big innings. The bowling of the Australian bowlers was very controlled. At the same time we must appreciate the captaincy of Pat Cummins. Pat Cummins has managed to use the right bowler at the right time. This is why the Indian batsmen were under a lot of pressure.
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