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Quote from: synchronym on November 24, 2023, 10:53:25 PM

The way Rohit Sharma started the 2023 World Cup final. Gill could have accompanied him then maybe India could have scored a good run in the final. India's all out for 240 runs in the final match in the race for the title was really disappointing for the Indian cricket fans. In 2003, India also failed to win the championship after losing to Australia. The same thing happened in the 2023 World Cup final. 2023 World Cup may be the former cricketers of India wanted to avenge the 203 bone by defeating Australia in the final. But who knew Australia would win the toss and bowl brilliantly. Bowling will bowl strong batsmen like India all out for 240 runs.

For India, it is time to move on. ODI cricket will be in low priority for some time now. At least until the T20I World Cup of 2024 gets completed, all the attention is going to be on the shorter format. Both Virat and Rohit will be remembered as great players who put up exceptional individual performances, but never able to win a major ICC trophy. For them, the time is running out. Virat is 35 years old, while Rohit is one year elder to him. They have another 2 years of international cricket left at the most. And this means that the 2024 tournament is going to be their last chance.

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Quote from: MusaPk on November 24, 2023, 06:38:44 PM

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Don't they played some good knocks in the final except the Kohli but all was in vain. We have not seen some good performance from the Virat Kohli in his previous matches. The India Team has given all his efforts in the final but the problem is they could not achieve what they have to do? Do you know what they have to show is that they have to give a huge target to the Australian team because the Australian team is in always in form from its previous matches. The more target was given to them they had easily achieved that target in the World Cup.

Final game has its own pressure and you can't give a target of 350 in ODI worldcup final. What have been an ideal target on that day was 280, which India failed to achieve. Kohli and KL score runs but they both got out when India need them on crease for scoring runs. Rohit should have been more careful in the final, his wicket proved to be turning point of the game.

The way Rohit Sharma started the 2023 World Cup final. Gill could have accompanied him then maybe India could have scored a good run in the final. India's all out for 240 runs in the final match in the race for the title was really disappointing for the Indian cricket fans. In 2003, India also failed to win the championship after losing to Australia. The same thing happened in the 2023 World Cup final. 2023 World Cup may be the former cricketers of India wanted to avenge the 203 bone by defeating Australia in the final. But who knew Australia would win the toss and bowl brilliantly. Bowling will bowl strong batsmen like India all out for 240 runs.

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Quote from: MusaPk on November 24, 2023, 06:38:44 PM

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Don't they played some good knocks in the final except the Kohli but all was in vain. We have not seen some good performance from the Virat Kohli in his previous matches. The India Team has given all his efforts in the final but the problem is they could not achieve what they have to do? Do you know what they have to show is that they have to give a huge target to the Australian team because the Australian team is in always in form from its previous matches. The more target was given to them they had easily achieved that target in the World Cup.

Final game has its own pressure and you can't give a target of 350 in ODI worldcup final. What have been an ideal target on that day was 280, which India failed to achieve. Kohli and KL score runs but they both got out when India need them on crease for scoring runs. Rohit should have been more careful in the final, his wicket proved to be turning point of the game.

Playing with extra pressure in the final game doesn't give much, whereas India may have batted in desperation against Australia. If they give a target of 350, India team can definitely beat Australia but there the target of 240 runs is very low. Rohit Sharma's dismissal hurt India more, he could have scored more runs if he could have done better. However, if Virat Kohli and KL Rahul both improved their game a little more, they could have scored more runs. But I think the Indian team did not play cautiously thinking that they might win the match in the final, but that target was not met but rather the opposite.

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Quote from: MusaPk on November 24, 2023, 06:38:44 PM

Quote from: JunkieMiner on November 24, 2023, 01:26:47 PM

Don't they played some good knocks in the final except the Kohli but all was in vain. We have not seen some good performance from the Virat Kohli in his previous matches. The India Team has given all his efforts in the final but the problem is they could not achieve what they have to do? Do you know what they have to show is that they have to give a huge target to the Australian team because the Australian team is in always in form from its previous matches. The more target was given to them they had easily achieved that target in the World Cup.

Final game has its own pressure and you can't give a target of 350 in ODI worldcup final. What have been an ideal target on that day was 280, which India failed to achieve. Kohli and KL score runs but they both got out when India need them on crease for scoring runs. Rohit should have been more careful in the final, his wicket proved to be turning point of the game.

As said India should've scored 280+ runs. Kohli, Rohit and Rahul did things in a responsible way. It was Gill and Shreyas Iyer who collapsed everything, just think of those two players contributing 20+ runs each. The ideal target could've been reached. We can't blame anyone, because the match have been planned for some political agenda and things didn't work as they planned which is really good in my point of view. At the end Surya Kumar did nothing and the bowling and fielding is really good from Australia.

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Quote from: JunkieMiner on November 24, 2023, 01:26:47 PM

Don't they played some good knocks in the final except the Kohli but all was in vain. We have not seen some good performance from the Virat Kohli in his previous matches. The India Team has given all his efforts in the final but the problem is they could not achieve what they have to do? Do you know what they have to show is that they have to give a huge target to the Australian team because the Australian team is in always in form from its previous matches. The more target was given to them they had easily achieved that target in the World Cup.

Final game has its own pressure and you can't give a target of 350 in ODI worldcup final. What have been an ideal target on that day was 280, which India failed to achieve. Kohli and KL score runs but they both got out when India need them on crease for scoring runs. Rohit should have been more careful in the final, his wicket proved to be turning point of the game.

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Quote from: Nalain420 on November 24, 2023, 02:33:33 PM

Virat kholi are very good batsman. all past matches played very well. But 2023 ICC world cup finnal can not well played.But the reason could not be found. india team could not well played in finnal match. Although India won the all matches in 2023 ICC world cup. But not won the finnal. If India's batsmen scored a lot of 003 runs, it would become a tough target for Australia. Then perhaps India gets more chances to win. But indian Batsman could not struggle and effort and lose the match. On the other hand, Australia's bowlers played very well and did not allow India to score too many runs.Had other batsmen like Rahul, Virat Kohli and Rohit tried harder, they could have put pressure on Australia.In 2023 ICC world cup Australia was very easy win the championship match. This match win the 6 times of championship in ICC world cup.

Brother, Indian players are not God . They do mistakes and they learn from their mistakes. India played very well in the whole world cup except final match. India is good team but two teams can't win any world Cup and for winning World Cup luck matters a lot . And I noticed that India played in pressure because I India didn't lose any match in World and in final match,they had fear of losing match and that's why they lose World Cup final. KL Rahul played in pressure and he hit only one 4 by playing 107 balls.Rohit Sharma didn't took responsibility for match and he played bad shot.

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But here's something good to hear, the 2023 ODI World Cup has broken records for the number of people watching. However, it also broke records the hearts of Indian fans because India didn't win.

The 2023 World Cup was a resounding success for the Indians in terms of money which is good for the country, but India winning the cup would have been the cherry on top basically which sadly didn't happen.

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I don't know whether you watched both the innings or not, but if you did then you will accept that dew changed the entire course of batting from first inning and in second inning but its part of the game and no one is complaining about that.

Anyone with a half-decent brain knows that dew changed the match in Australia's favor which even the experienced commentators talked about.

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Well.. actually I don't think that dew played any significant part in the finals. We are diverting from the main factor. Indian batsmen failed to put up a decent total. 280 would have been a winning total at Ahmedabad, but 240 was below par. Given this, even if dew was not there I really doubt whether India would have won the match. BTW, I find it strange that Indians are complaining about the dew factor, given the fact that they had the home advantage. If anyone should complain, it should be the visiting teams such as Australia.

Indians thought they would be able to give big targets just like they were giving in there last 10 matches but apart from Rohit Sharma no one was able to attack Aussie bowlers. I do agree that Indians should have gone to give target of 280/290. Indians bowlers have good start of the innings but it was Head day and no bowler could do any damage to him.

Don't they played some good knocks in the final except the Kohli but all was in vain. We have not seen some good performance from the Virat Kohli in his previous matches. The India Team has given all his efforts in the final but the problem is they could not achieve what they have to do? Do you know what they have to show is that they have to give a huge target to the Australian team because the Australian team is in always in form from its previous matches. The more target was given to them they had easily achieved that target in the World Cup.

Virat kholi are very good batsman. all past matches played very well. But 2023 ICC world cup finnal can not well played.But the reason could not be found. india team could not well played in finnal match. Although India won the all matches in 2023 ICC world cup. But not won the finnal. If India's batsmen scored a lot of 003 runs, it would become a tough target for Australia. Then perhaps India gets more chances to win. But indian Batsman could not struggle and effort and lose the match. On the other hand, Australia's bowlers played very well and did not allow India to score too many runs.Had other batsmen like Rahul, Virat Kohli and Rohit tried harder, they could have put pressure on Australia.In 2023 ICC world cup Australia was very easy win the championship match. This match win the 6 times of championship in ICC world cup.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on November 24, 2023, 06:10:12 AM

India played at their home ground. And so they should not complain about the pitch or the field. They really know each pitch and the weather very well. The main reason for the defeat of the Indian team is their bad batting.And given a target of only 241 runs, it was not possible to resist a team like Australia. If the target was 280+ maybe the Indian bowlers could have done better

that's true. And that's why india didn't complain about pitch. Actually the main reason was their bad batting performance. Rohit, kohli did fair run as they did recent matches but the problem was Shreyas Iyer, shubman Gill, Ravindra Jadeja, they failed to bat well which was mostly needed from them as a batsman. Probably 17 run came from them total which was disappointing and the reason low run rate for india. Besides 280+ probably would fact for Australia but 320 run could be hard for them to win, moreover Indian bowlers were also gave best effort but got only 3 wickets which could be another reason

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Quote from: TakeItEasy on November 24, 2023, 12:21:29 PM

Well even they win all the matches but still they didn't show that in the Final, as other matches of the World Cup didn't considers that if someone win 1 match then they will be out of the World Cup but the final match of the World Cup was of only two choice win and lift the trophy otherwise the 2nd one was lose which India have to confess. Secondly the Indian team won but their home ground play vital role in it.

Because the Team which has its own ground in which the match has been played so it also create impact because the team itself have knowledge about the pitch conditions and they have knowledge about how to play on these tricky condition. So, all these things includes. Although I'm not saying India didn't play well but play of Australia in the final was outclass.

This is the dilemma, Australians were not unbeaten in this tournament yet the beat the unbeatable team of the tournament. There is no worth of showing your power throughout the tournament if you can't perform on the big day. NZ is always good in start of every world cup and they choke in semis of in finals. Australians once again proved that they have capability to perform well on every pitch.

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Well.. actually I don't think that dew played any significant part in the finals. We are diverting from the main factor. Indian batsmen failed to put up a decent total. 280 would have been a winning total at Ahmedabad, but 240 was below par. Given this, even if dew was not there I really doubt whether India would have won the match. BTW, I find it strange that Indians are complaining about the dew factor, given the fact that they had the home advantage. If anyone should complain, it should be the visiting teams such as Australia.

Indians thought they would be able to give big targets just like they were giving in there last 10 matches but apart from Rohit Sharma no one was able to attack Aussie bowlers. I do agree that Indians should have gone to give target of 280/290. Indians bowlers have good start of the innings but it was Head day and no bowler could do any damage to him.

Don't they played some good knocks in the final except the Kohli but all was in vain. We have not seen some good performance from the Virat Kohli in his previous matches. The India Team has given all his efforts in the final but the problem is they could not achieve what they have to do? Do you know what they have to show is that they have to give a huge target to the Australian team because the Australian team is in always in form from its previous matches. The more target was given to them they had easily achieved that target in the World Cup.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on November 24, 2023, 06:10:12 AM

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It wasn't the first D/N match in the tournament, more than 95% of matches were scheduled in the same time slot and it's not like dew and toss played a major part in the majority of the matches.

In fact, Dew hardly played any role in this WC, which was actually surprising. Except for the Finals so i don't think we could blame anyone for this.

Agreed. I don't think that dew was a major factor in the final, or in any of the other matches. Anyway, Indians can't complain about it. They had the home advantage and in case Australia had lost the toss then none of this debate would even happen. It is very simple. India lost the match because their batsmen failed during middle overs. And then the target was too small and the bowlers also didn't had much room for maneuvering. The next target should be T20 World Cup of 2024, which is less than 6 months away. It will be a great irony, if India never wins an ICC trophy before the Kohli-Rohit duo retires.

India played at their home ground. And so they should not complain about the pitch or the field. They really know each pitch and the weather very well.
The main reason for the defeat of the Indian team is their bad batting. Although the Indian batsmen have batted brilliantly in each of the previous matches, they suddenly lost form in the final. They could not stay at the crease for long against the Australian bowlers. Apart from the three experienced batsmen in the squad, Rohit, Rahul and Kohli, no other batsman can do well. And given a target of only 241 runs, it was not possible to resist a team like Australia. If the target was 280+ maybe the Indian bowlers could have done better.

Yes, you are right, because the pitch has been decided by the people there. The Indian batsman played well in all the previous matches but the final matches were very bad as the batsman could not put effort and struggle. More effort was required than in all previous matches but they did not consider it and would lose the match. Rahul, Rohit and kholi finnal match could not better than old matches. Because these batsmen played very well but in the final there was not that effort which was in the other matches. If India were to score anything above or around 280, it might become difficult for Australia. If Australia had played to their full potential, it would have been more than 280 runs, so even 280 runs is nothing for them.Australia did not play well in the previous matches but played very well in the final match and made everyone worry.

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Cricket always left some memory as this was the World Cup in which we have seen last time some players which played international cricket, many players retires in the same World Cup. These players have some memories related to them. Especially the Quinton de Kock was one of the best player but I didn't think he was too young in the World Cup from the side of South Africa. Why did he take retirement from the cricket at this stage even he has the stamina to play the cricket.

India overall played well in this world cup winning all matches of group stages is not a cup of tea. But they choked in final of world cup, and broke the heart of indian fans. But last night Suryakumar Yadav brilliant innings of 80 runs and win the 1st t20 match against Australia. But its too late Suryakumar Yadav didn't perform well in world and in final match but Australia has ability to win knockout matches that why the win most number of world cup in Odi cricket.

Well even they win all the matches but still they didn't show that in the Final, as other matches of the World Cup didn't considers that if someone win 1 match then they will be out of the World Cup but the final match of the World Cup was of only two choice win and lift the trophy otherwise the 2nd one was lose which India have to confess. Secondly the Indian team won but their home ground play vital role in it.

Because the Team which has its own ground in which the match has been played so it also create impact because the team itself have knowledge about the pitch conditions and they have knowledge about how to play on these tricky condition. So, all these things includes. Although I'm not saying India didn't play well but play of Australia in the final was outclass.

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Cricket sometimes has unfair stuff happening, and it seems like it won't stop. But here's something good to hear, the 2023 ODI World Cup has broken records for the number of people watching. However, it also broke records the hearts of Indian fans because India didn't win. I felt sad for India, but Australia played really well and deserved to win.

Cricket always left some memory as this was the World Cup in which we have seen last time some players which played international cricket, many players retires in the same World Cup. These players have some memories related to them. Especially the Quinton de Kock was one of the best player but I didn't think he was too young in the World Cup from the side of South Africa. Why did he take retirement from the cricket at this stage even he has the stamina to play the cricket.

India overall played well in this world cup winning all matches of group stages is not a cup of tea. But they choked in final of world cup, and broke the heart of indian fans. But last night Suryakumar Yadav brilliant innings of 80 runs and win the 1st t20 match against Australia. But its too late Suryakumar Yadav didn't perform well in world and in final match but Australia has ability to win knockout matches that why the win most number of world cup in Odi cricket.

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Cricket sometimes has unfair stuff happening, and it seems like it won't stop. But here's something good to hear, the 2023 ODI World Cup has broken records for the number of people watching. However, it also broke records the hearts of Indian fans because India didn't win. I felt sad for India, but Australia played really well and deserved to win.

Cricket always left some memory as this was the World Cup in which we have seen last time some players which played international cricket, many players retires in the same World Cup. These players have some memories related to them. Especially the Quinton de Kock was one of the best player but I didn't think he was too young in the World Cup from the side of South Africa. Why did he take retirement from the cricket at this stage even he has the stamina to play the cricket.

One thing in my mind comes that the players which are present in the International Cricket didn't be allowed to play in the leagues and I think the players which plays some leagues earns a lot than in the International Cricket. May be those players are now ready to go to the Leagues of each countries which they offers and they earns their a lot of money while playing in them.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 24, 2023, 08:40:05 AM

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You seem forgot to read except for the final in his statement, the dew changed the context to be hoest but its part of the game and the teams should stratgize accordingly. What Iwould like to say is India scored that 240 runs purely because of their batting excellence, if its any other team the score wouldn't even touched 200 including Australia if they got an option to bat first.

Kohli will be surely fit for the next 4 years to play cricket and Rohit too can play the next T20I world cup so nothing is over yet and who know what they will decide.

Well.. actually I don't think that dew played any significant part in the finals. We are diverting from the main factor. Indian batsmen failed to put up a decent total. 280 would have been a winning total at Ahmedabad, but 240 was below par. Given this, even if dew was not there I really doubt whether India would have won the match. BTW, I find it strange that Indians are complaining about the dew factor, given the fact that they had the home advantage. If anyone should complain, it should be the visiting teams such as Australia.

I don't know whether you watched both the innings or not, but if you did then you will accept that dew changed the entire course of batting from first inning and in second inning but its part of the game and no one is compaining about that. For the record Indian captain said they would have batted first even if they won the toss so it nullifies the toss factor there too.

Ahmedabad, home advantage for team India? Nope, it would have been if its Wankhede (for batting) or Chepauk (for bowling) but it's simply due to the business since the Modi stadium became the largest cricket stadium in the world so more capacity and more money.

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In fact, Dew hardly played any role in this WC, which was actually surprising. Except for the Finals so i don't think we could blame anyone for this.

It's true that dew hardly came into play in most WC matches, but it did come into play in the final which is why this debate makes sense. No team deserves to be blamed for unfair pitch conditions.

This sort of unfair crap makes cricket less exciting as a sport(WC 2019 controversy, WC 2023 pitch issue etc) which truly sucks.

Cricket sometimes has unfair stuff happening, and it seems like it won't stop. But here's something good to hear, the 2023 ODI World Cup has broken records for the number of people watching. However, it also broke records the hearts of Indian fans because India didn't win. I felt sad for India, but Australia played really well and deserved to win.

India played the whole commandment really well and failed at the most crucial match. I honestly thought that Australia might not be able to win the final because the way India has performed throughout the season was really incredible. They literally did not face any real competition throughout the whole tournament, but in the final, when they were actually playing in subcontinental conditions, they lost. And they did not have any effect on this match. Australia had a great plan and they executed the plan really well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 24, 2023, 08:40:05 AM

Well.. actually I don't think that dew played any significant part in the finals. We are diverting from the main factor. Indian batsmen failed to put up a decent total. 280 would have been a winning total at Ahmedabad, but 240 was below par. Given this, even if dew was not there I really doubt whether India would have won the match. BTW, I find it strange that Indians are complaining about the dew factor, given the fact that they had the home advantage. If anyone should complain, it should be the visiting teams such as Australia.

Indians thought they would be able to give big targets just like they were giving in there last 10 matches but apart from Rohit Sharma no one was able to attack Aussie bowlers. I do agree that Indians should have gone to give target of 280/290. Indians bowlers have good start of the innings but it was Head day and no bowler could do any damage to him.

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Mohammed Shami has taken almost five wickets in every match he has played. One got a wicket in the final match so can blame the bowlers in the final match. In this case I will admit that India is unlucky because India lost their luck that day. If India had won the toss and decided to field on that day, India could have become the champion of this World Cup. However, if the luck is bad, one has to fall into a bad situation from any side.

Mohammed Shami found himself left out of the playing XI a few times recently, but in the end he managed to storm in to the squad. In the first few matches of the world cup, India decided to go with the combination of Mohammed Siraj and Jasprit Bumrah, and there was no room to include Shami. But despite all that, he finished the tournament as the top wicket taker. I was actually disappointed with the performance from both Siraj and Bumrah. They took wickets against weak opponents, but crumbled while bowling under pressure situations.

Muhammad Shami top wickets tacker bowler of the world cup they picked 24 wickets in just 9 matches of world cup and second Adam Zampa for picking 23 wickets in 11 matches and Virat kholi is top scorer of tournament but India lose the final match one soded that a quite disappointing for india. I think this lose not that Indian Bowler's didn't perform well but due to batting performance of team india is responsible beacuse if they are add 40 to 50 more runs in the total then it will be challenging for Australia to chase down. India didn't get advantage of home ground they losse match after Australia winning the toss in start of match.

Mohammad Shami bowled very well in all the matches of ICC World Cup 2023 and took 24 wickets in all the matches.The Australian team played the final match very well and everyone will be surprised to see this match that Australia won the match. Yes that's true indian batsman could not good performance. If the Indian batsmen tried something, they were going to be a tough target. Australia took a very good decision after winning the toss.

Mohammad Shami has played extremely well for India and bowled brilliantly due to which he has taken wickets in every match. I don't think Indian people are blaming this bowling against you now and this player has done enough in the final match. Going to play the final match against Australia, the Australian team won the toss and took a good decision due to which they defeated India. It is surprising that Australia will play so well in the final match that they have snatched the trophy away from India by defeating them. Also, I think Australia team is well experienced and they bat at night due to which they can easily win the game brilliantly. If Australia won the toss and batted instead of fielding, it would have been very difficult to win, because India would have played with a target. But this didn't happen, rather Australia wise they batted India with the target and played later due to which it was easy to beat India.

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The best batsmen that India has, the Indian government selects their players from different states of India. This is where the Vijay Hazari Trophy has started in India, some good quality players will come out. They will play in the IPL and those who will do well in the IPL will be given a chance in the national team. This is how Team India selects their best players. If our Bangladesh team management was like this then maybe our Bangladesh team would have been in a better position. Our cricket improved when our Bangladesh team Shakib Al Hasan Tamim Iqbal Mashrafe bin Murtaza Mahmudullah Riyad Mushfiqur Rahim played in the national team. Bangladesh had the power to beat anyone in the world. A good batsman did not come after that. So our cricket management of Bangladesh should select good quality cricket from different districts of Bangladesh and give opportunity to play in national team.

There are reasons why domestic cricket in India is not as strong as that in England or Australia. Sheffield Shield and County Championship always maintain the highest quality and Indian domestic cricket comes nowhere near that. Even the Plunkett Shield (NZ) and the domestic competitions in West Indies and South Africa maintain a superior quality when compared to that in India. There are two main reasons - first of all, most of the capped players skip their domestic duties, and also there are a total of 38 domestic teams and as a result the quality gets diluted.

As BCCI having profit from the IPL and other events now they can do few things which could be helpful for them and this game as well because I believe cricket is now having tag of big industry so with this if someone have mind then just need to settle things in domestic system and create good structure which will increase their quality and performance for them currently USA sporting system is best which can give them good support by finances and for the better future of players as well just need to go ahead with all teams same level even this is not easy but still possible because they are having billions of USD which can bring investment like this as well, and they can take control of the game for long time as well.

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