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Quote from: JSRAW on November 14, 2023, 02:05:38 AM

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South Africa and New Zealand beating their respective opponent in the Semis, it would be a big *uck you moment for PIG-3 as one is already crippled and kicked out.

We'll also have a new World Champion as both teams failed to win the ODI WC, like a million times.

ICC already received their dose of shock when Netherlands qualified for this tournament well ahead of three test nations (West Indies, Ireland and Zimbabwe). And then again they went through the same state when the Dutch mopped the floor with South Africa and the arrogant Bangladeshis (that was before getting destroyed by Australia and India though). And in case South Africa qualifies for the final, then it will be purely earth shattering for the ICC. In case of New Zealand, I am not that bothered, as they are always aligned with the pig-3.

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Quote from: Cheema02 on November 14, 2023, 02:01:08 AM

In 1st Semi final between Australia and South Africa If South Africa win the toss and decided to bat first they will be favourites to win this semifinal and qualify for final of world cup. South Africa played 9 match in world cup and they win 7 matches and number 2 on points table with 14 points and only loss match against Netherlands when they bowl first and Netherlands set a 245 runs target for South Africa. And South Africa failed to chase down the 245 target by 38 runs short and South Africa all out in 207 runs. Australia is also strong team they have 5 time world champions but i honestly see South Afric winning this world cup

In my point of view because of the Fast batting the South Africa team will play much better. By the way South Africa has the bad kuch it always qualify for the semifinals but they lost the match in semifinal.
I wish a good luck to the South African team and I hope they will win the match and will qualify for the final match and I think they will Play with India. So let's see.

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Quote from: HelliumZ on November 14, 2023, 01:11:43 AM

Even if Australia plays badly in the beginning, Australia is playing great in the next matches, moreover, it is normal that Australia will not do worse in important stages like the semi-finals. South Africa, on the other hand, do not have the ability to withstand the stress of reaching the semi-finals, which is why they have a record of being knocked out of the semi-finals more than once. The same could happen in the match on the 16th, with Australia likely to be eliminated from the semi-finals.

England also havent won any ODI WC till 2019 when they beat New Zealand in the final. Based on the past data we can say that SA are chokers but cant say they don't have the ability to win in the future. Having said that I think current SA team is not as strong as it used to be in A B de Villiers time and I don't have much hopes of SA winning the semi final against mighty Australia.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 13, 2023, 01:18:15 PM

After the first 2 defeat, Australia bounce back well tho and everyone chipped in, including top order, middle order and bowlers as well so they are on the right track despite their recent meltdown against Afghanistan.

So far, SA is dominating when batting first but at the same time they look completely different outfit when chasing the target so it'll be an interesting contest if they win the toss.

Australia's main weakpoint is the fact that they aren't able to win easily if their top order falls quickly. Maxwell miracle was an insane exception. They are over-dependent on Warner and Marsh basically.

On the other hand, South Africa are also over-dependent on De Kock to some extent, but they manage well without him more often than not.

Just for Luls, You know what would be funny?

South Africa and New Zealand beating their respective opponent in the Semis, it would be a big *uck you moment for PIG-3 as one is already crippled and kicked out.

We'll also have a new World Champion as both teams failed to win the ODI WC, like a million times.

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Australia is quite strong with their batting line up too. I'm expecting a competitive match between Australia and South Africa in the semi-final. South Africa had won easily against Australia in the group stage match. But I hope Australia will be able to beat them in the semi-final.The betting odds is in favour of Australia, and it is around 1.70× now.

I think South African team will give them tough time but at the end winner will be Australian because they made for surviving in such tough last stages of world cup, when ever they qualify for a final they won, so you can get idea from there how well their body language and confidence are high stage where mostly team chocked and unable to Handel pressure situation especially we have seen Asian team for such attitude. Anyway, it will be really surprising for me if South Africa beat them and move to the final, but I think it will somehow depend on pitch conditions and toss too. One thing more which I should add that Australian star bowler M.starc will take his retirement right after world cup from ODI format.

In 1st Semi final between Australia and South Africa If South Africa win the toss and decided to bat first they will be favourites to win this semifinal and qualify for final of world cup. South Africa played 9 match in world cup and they win 7 matches and number 2 on points table with 14 points and only loss match against Netherlands when they bowl first and Netherlands set a 245 runs target for South Africa. And South Africa failed to chase down the 245 target by 38 runs short and South Africa all out in 207 runs. Australia is also strong team they have 5 time world champions but i honestly see South Afric winning this world cup

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Quote from: HelliumZ on November 14, 2023, 01:11:43 AM

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 13, 2023, 10:26:03 PM

South Africa may not be able to compete properly against Australia, because they need to deal with the issue of quota products such as Temba Bavuma and Andile Phehlukwayo who needs to be included in the squad irrespective of their performance. The quota system means that players who are performing well needs to make way for these mediocre players and warm the bench. Australia gives priority for merit and that will be the main reason why they will remain as the favorites to win the second semi-final between these two teams.

South Africa despite having players like Temba Bavuma and Andile Phehlukwayo has performed well in group stage. They have lost the game against Pakistan but thanks to some crucial decision from umpires they eventually won that game. South Africa are known to be chokers and most of time they lost in semis. They are the only side that haven't played any ODI WC final till date.

Even if Australia plays badly in the beginning, Australia is playing great in the next matches, moreover, it is normal that Australia will not do worse in important stages like the semi-finals. South Africa, on the other hand, do not have the ability to withstand the stress of reaching the semi-finals, which is why they have a record of being knocked out of the semi-finals more than once. The same could happen in the match on the 16th, with Australia likely to be eliminated from the semi-finals.

It is not possible to give sure prediction about Australia vs South Africa match. Australia did not play well in the first two matches but batted well in each subsequent match. On the other hand South African batsmen are in very good form. In every match in which South Africa have batted first, they have managed to score high in every match. I will put the Australian team slightly ahead. But if the South African team bats first, it will be much more difficult for Australia to win this match. I would say the outcome of this match will depend on the performance of the batsmen of both the teams. Because the pitch is likely to be batting friendly.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 13, 2023, 10:26:03 PM

South Africa may not be able to compete properly against Australia, because they need to deal with the issue of quota products such as Temba Bavuma and Andile Phehlukwayo who needs to be included in the squad irrespective of their performance. The quota system means that players who are performing well needs to make way for these mediocre players and warm the bench. Australia gives priority for merit and that will be the main reason why they will remain as the favorites to win the second semi-final between these two teams.

South Africa despite having players like Temba Bavuma and Andile Phehlukwayo has performed well in group stage. They have lost the game against Pakistan but thanks to some crucial decision from umpires they eventually won that game. South Africa are known to be chokers and most of time they lost in semis. They are the only side that haven't played any ODI WC final till date.

South Africa have performed well in various ODI series throughout the year, due to their excellent performances in various Bilateral series they have been in a very good position in the points table most of the year but when it comes to major ICC tournaments they are nowhere to be found. In major ICC tournaments, they go through the quarter finals and group stage matches as if there is no stronger team than them, but when it comes to the semi finals or important matches, they are the worst performers of their tournament. In 2015 World Cup we saw every player of South Africa crying because South Africa gave their best performance in that tournament but they were defeated in the semi-final. I think they will do something exceptional in this World Cup tournament. If they can't do anything exceptional in this World Cup tournament, they can definitely be called four.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 13, 2023, 10:26:03 PM

South Africa may not be able to compete properly against Australia, because they need to deal with the issue of quota products such as Temba Bavuma and Andile Phehlukwayo who needs to be included in the squad irrespective of their performance. The quota system means that players who are performing well needs to make way for these mediocre players and warm the bench. Australia gives priority for merit and that will be the main reason why they will remain as the favorites to win the second semi-final between these two teams.

South Africa despite having players like Temba Bavuma and Andile Phehlukwayo has performed well in group stage. They have lost the game against Pakistan but thanks to some crucial decision from umpires they eventually won that game. South Africa are known to be chokers and most of time they lost in semis. They are the only side that haven't played any ODI WC final till date.

Even if Australia plays badly in the beginning, Australia is playing great in the next matches, moreover, it is normal that Australia will not do worse in important stages like the semi-finals. South Africa, on the other hand, do not have the ability to withstand the stress of reaching the semi-finals, which is why they have a record of being knocked out of the semi-finals more than once. The same could happen in the match on the 16th, with Australia likely to be eliminated from the semi-finals.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 13, 2023, 10:26:03 PM

South Africa may not be able to compete properly against Australia, because they need to deal with the issue of quota products such as Temba Bavuma and Andile Phehlukwayo who needs to be included in the squad irrespective of their performance. The quota system means that players who are performing well needs to make way for these mediocre players and warm the bench. Australia gives priority for merit and that will be the main reason why they will remain as the favorites to win the second semi-final between these two teams.

South Africa despite having players like Temba Bavuma and Andile Phehlukwayo has performed well in group stage. They have lost the game against Pakistan but thanks to some crucial decision from umpires they eventually won that game. South Africa are known to be chokers and most of time they lost in semis. They are the only side that haven't played any ODI WC final till date.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 13, 2023, 01:18:15 PM

After the first 2 defeat, Australia bounce back well tho and everyone chipped in, including top order, middle order and bowlers as well so they are on the right track despite their recent meltdown against Afghanistan.

So far, SA is dominating when batting first but at the same time they look completely different outfit when chasing the target so it'll be an interesting contest if they win the toss.

Australia's main weakpoint is the fact that they aren't able to win easily if their top order falls quickly. Maxwell miracle was an insane exception. They are over-dependent on Warner and Marsh basically.

On the other hand, South Africa are also over-dependent on De Kock to some extent, but they manage well without him more often than not.

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Quote from: SATWAT on November 13, 2023, 04:06:27 PM

South Africa currently third best team in ODI ranking with most chances they will stay at this spot because still they are not good enough for the final even now they are improving their chasing ability is also better like they have done against Pakistan but suddenly against India they were badly down and Australia also struggle against Afghanistan but Maxwell change the tables for their team which is impressive.
Its look like we are heading for another 1999 as semifinal were played between Australia vs South Africa and second New Zealand vs Pakistan, but now we have India with final is going to play between Australia vs India which could be another entertaining match as we have in 2003.

South Africa may not be able to compete properly against Australia, because they need to deal with the issue of quota products such as Temba Bavuma and Andile Phehlukwayo who needs to be included in the squad irrespective of their performance. The quota system means that players who are performing well needs to make way for these mediocre players and warm the bench. Australia gives priority for merit and that will be the main reason why they will remain as the favorites to win the second semi-final between these two teams.

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Quote from: GbitG on November 13, 2023, 03:51:38 PM

Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 13, 2023, 11:31:08 AM

Australia is quite strong with their batting line up too. I'm expecting a competitive match between Australia and South Africa in the semi-final. South Africa had won easily against Australia in the group stage match. But I hope Australia will be able to beat them in the semi-final.The betting odds is in favour of Australia, and it is around 1.70× now.

I think South African team will give them tough time but at the end winner will be Australian because they made for surviving in such tough last stages of world cup, when ever they qualify for a final they won, so you can get idea from there how well their body language and confidence are high stage where mostly team chocked and unable to Handel pressure situation especially we have seen Asian team for such attitude. Anyway, it will be really surprising for me if South Africa beat them and move to the final, but I think it will somehow depend on pitch conditions and toss too. One thing more which I should add that Australian star bowler M.starc will take his retirement right after world cup from ODI format.

South Africa currently third best team in ODI ranking with most chances they will stay at this spot because still they are not good enough for the final even now they are improving their chasing ability is also better like they have done against Pakistan but suddenly against India they were badly down and Australia also struggle against Afghanistan but Maxwell change the tables for their team which is impressive.
Its look like we are heading for another 1999 as semifinal were played between Australia vs South Africa and second New Zealand vs Pakistan, but now we have India with final is going to play between Australia vs India which could be another entertaining match as we have in 2003.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 13, 2023, 11:31:08 AM

Australia is quite strong with their batting line up too. I'm expecting a competitive match between Australia and South Africa in the semi-final. South Africa had won easily against Australia in the group stage match. But I hope Australia will be able to beat them in the semi-final.The betting odds is in favour of Australia, and it is around 1.70× now.

I think South African team will give them tough time but at the end winner will be Australian because they made for surviving in such tough last stages of world cup, when ever they qualify for a final they won, so you can get idea from there how well their body language and confidence are high stage where mostly team chocked and unable to Handel pressure situation especially we have seen Asian team for such attitude. Anyway, it will be really surprising for me if South Africa beat them and move to the final, but I think it will somehow depend on pitch conditions and toss too. One thing more which I should add that Australian star bowler M.starc will take his retirement right after world cup from ODI format.

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India won every match. Indian players have also performed very well against teams that have qualified for the semi-finals. India won by a huge margin of 243 runs even against a big team like South Africa. Every batsman in the team is in very good form. The team is not dependent on any particular batsman. Also Mohammad Siraj, Shami and Bumrah are bowling brilliantly. The spin bowlers are also in good form. When every player in the team can perform well, it is not difficult for the team to win. There is no doubt that the New Zealand team is strong. However, the team's batsmen failed to consistently perform well. India has a squad worthy of winning the World Cup this year.

In these home conditions they are clearly set for the having third world cup into their pocket specially their wins against Australia and South Africa give them good advantage their all top order batsmen giving their best and having nothing to worry with bowlers combination is also deadly Mohammad Siraj and Jaspirat Bumrah and after these two Kuldeep Yadav and Ravindra Jadeja not allowing any team to stand against them.

Now after having 9 wins out of the 9 matches we can expect another two wins for them as well in big matches with Australian challenge is also surely look like not bad Maxwell done one of the best batting in this event and having first double century as well and after this we have another good inning from the Mitchel Marsh which play impressive knock of 175 against Bangladesh done good job on right time hopefully we will have good competition of the titans in these last few matches.

Obviously they win 9 matches and they good performance in these matches. That's why next two matches they always won. Maxwell the batsman of Australia is not less against India team. Mitchel marsh defeated the Bangladesh and they proof to Australia for good batsman.It seems to see them between these matches is very tough for those team.If Australia batsmen Maxwell and MitchelMarch and other batsmen play with struggle and effort they can reach the final.

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There will be a Semi- Final match played between India and New Zealand, Rohit Sharma, Shreyas Iyer Kl Rahul are in form now, and if we think their other batters who have also strong enough to provide good shots all over the boundaries, a benefit for the Indian Team is that they have their home ground in which they plays a good cricket as compared to other grounds.

Also New Zealand cricket Team is giving a tough time, as they practices their players in the practice session today. Kane Williamson is the key player for the team of New Zealand and we know if he scores big the New Zealand can chase even a big total in the matches we have seen. So, he have to play some big shots and a knock will be need in order to win the match.

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Quote from: kro55 on November 13, 2023, 09:33:51 AM

India won every match. Indian players have also performed very well against teams that have qualified for the semi-finals. India won by a huge margin of 243 runs even against a big team like South Africa. Every batsman in the team is in very good form. The team is not dependent on any particular batsman. Also Mohammad Siraj, Shami and Bumrah are bowling brilliantly. The spin bowlers are also in good form. When every player in the team can perform well, it is not difficult for the team to win. There is no doubt that the New Zealand team is strong. However, the team's batsmen failed to consistently perform well. India has a squad worthy of winning the World Cup this year.

In these home conditions they are clearly set for the having third world cup into their pocket specially their wins against Australia and South Africa give them good advantage their all top order batsmen giving their best and having nothing to worry with bowlers combination is also deadly Mohammad Siraj and Jaspirat Bumrah and after these two Kuldeep Yadav and Ravindra Jadeja not allowing any team to stand against them.

Now after having 9 wins out of the 9 matches we can expect another two wins for them as well in big matches with Australian challenge is also surely look like not bad Maxwell done one of the best batting in this event and having first double century as well and after this we have another good inning from the Mitchel Marsh which play impressive knock of 175 against Bangladesh done good job on right time hopefully we will have good competition of the titans in these last few matches.

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Australia is quite strong with their batting line up too. I'm expecting a competitive match between Australia and South Africa in the semi-final. South Africa had won easily against Australia in the group stage match. But I hope Australia will be able to beat them in the semi-final.The betting odds is in favour of Australia, and it is around 1.70× now.

Yeah. Australia's batting line-up is great too and they excel in critical matches, but they have been inconsistent throughout this tournament so far while South Africa have been a bit more consistent than them in all areas.

Am expecting a proper contest between both these teams and I truly hope South Africa doesn't choke once again.

After the first 2 defeat, Australia bounce back well tho and everyone chipped in, including top order, middle order and bowlers as well so they are on the right track despite their recent meltdown against Afghanistan.

So far, SA is dominating when batting first but at the same time they look completely different outfit when chasing the target so it'll be an interesting contest if they win the toss.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 13, 2023, 11:31:08 AM

Australia is quite strong with their batting line up too. I'm expecting a competitive match between Australia and South Africa in the semi-final. South Africa had won easily against Australia in the group stage match. But I hope Australia will be able to beat them in the semi-final.The betting odds is in favour of Australia, and it is around 1.70× now.

Yeah. Australia's batting line-up is great too and they excel in critical matches, but they have been inconsistent throughout this tournament so far while South Africa have been a bit more consistent than them in all areas.

Am expecting a proper contest between both these teams and I truly hope South Africa doesn't choke once again.

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Quote from: Nalain420 on November 13, 2023, 11:55:18 AM

That true but India won every match and they great effort to won the semi final and Finnal. This ICC world cup of 2023 the India batsman played very well and defeated the greatest team. The batsman and bowler of India team play very well in every matches.If India batsmen and bowlers work hard, they can win this years World Cup.And if they work hard a team like England and a team like New Zealand cant spoil anything.Now India must work hard and win this years World Cup.

India has already won 2 World Cups and the New Zealand has won 1 Title, comparing the 4 teams I think India is the most dangerous Team among all of these now, as we can see its bowling and batting side so crucial along all the matches they played recently. I don't think they played a better World Cup than this, so the other teams are also good enough to give huge target like South Africa, New Zealand but Indian Team has something huge to do in the coming match.

Although we can also expect some good runs from the Team South Africa they can still have a chance to Qualify for the Final and I have seen them in their almost matches they have a hard luck at the end. But I hope they can make it better this time if the luck of South African Team is with them. So, we would like to enjoy the matches BTW if any team hits sixes.

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This time situation is very different. India is getting full advantage of playing at home. There is very rear chance of India not lifting this world cup. Both New Zealand and South Africa are the only sides left that haven't won any ODI world cup so far and it looks like both team have to wait for 4 more years. There is a possibility that Aussies might be able to beat India if they make it to finals.

The place where the Indian team is playing is when Australia were at their peak and beating Australia was not easy. Australia used to beat every team easily but now that position has been taken over by India and now no team seems to be able to beat India. Both New Zealand and South Africa will have to produce exceptional performances to reach the final.

Both will be competing against the best teams in the world, but New Zealand and South Africa are also very capable, they have good bowlers and batsmen who can take the match any time . I think South Africa can beat Australia in the semi final in. However, whichever team plays India in the final is hard to beat from a performance standpoint, and only bad luck can currently beat India.

you are right. India is good team but you can't say the semi final match will be very easy for India . New Zealand team fielding is top class whole the World and they save 20-25 runs by their good fielding and their batting side is also good and they have capacity to set a 300+ score on board and they also have capability to chase a big score like 300+ .In past World Cups , New Zealand team played excellent against India.Now, New Zealand team is free of pressure and all pressure is on the team of India because they won all matches and they have a fear of lose . In my opinion , in 15 November New Zealand will win and it will qualify for final.

The 2019 semin final is completely different scenario compared to now and for the record the match dragged to second day so the playing condition changed which is the reason why India can't able to make it but no Indian's can forget that run out.

But now the story is different and Indian bowling unit is more stronger than ever but we can't rule of Kiwis too so it may be a good contest but the clear favorites are India to win that match.

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