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Quote from: Bd officer on November 11, 2023, 09:27:30 PM

India vs Netherlands
The World Cup is almost at an end, today is the last match of the World Cup group stage in India vs Netherlands. India has confirmed the semi-final from number 1 in the points table, India will play in the semi-final against New Zealand. Today's match is not an important match for India, but India is unbeaten so far so they will try to win today's match. Today's match is very important for Netherlands, although the chance of Netherlands win today is not 5%, if Netherlands can win today by luck then they will have chance to play in ICC Champions Trophy. Because Bangladesh is at number 8 with 4 points, if Netherlands can win today, it will be 6 points and will move up to number 8 in the points table. However there is absolutely no chance of Netherlands winning today, I am sure India will win today.

If you check the odds at stake.com, you will realize that for India you will only get 1.01 odds while if you risk your money on the Netherlands, you will get 12 odds. Though betting on the Netherlands looks too much tempting, the reality is that there is no way the Netherlands is going to win against the mighty India.

With this, we will end the 45 matches of the World Cup today and after today's match, there will be just 2 semi finals and the big final left to be played in this World Cup.

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Quote from: Patrol69 on November 11, 2023, 09:28:04 PM

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In today match paksitan has to win his last match for his pride at least but unfortunately they didn't and lose against a team who played worst cricket from start and just won thier recent to be honest as a fan it's really tough.

England batted well and they carry forwarded the confidence from their last win but Pakistan batting lineup got confused and dropping Fakhar zaman costed them this in my opinion also Babar failed terribly and he didn't contrbute much in the runs column. Anyway while I was watching commentators mentioned that there is possibilty to drop Babar from captaincy due to lack of performance and PCB already made this decision, now sure how much valid this statement is but if its true then who will be the captain?

When Pakistan could not stop England in terms of runs, maybe their morale strength was lost. However, it is not possible to make impossible gaps according to their needs. But if Pakistan could have won the match as the last match then maybe we could say at positively. But in the end that didn't happen either. A target of 339 runs should have given the Pakistan team a more professional match. Because they won the last match brilliantly. Anyway, let's talk about the last four now. New Zealand will face India again. However, the performance of the Indian team this time is different from any other session. No team in the last three has the ability to beat them. But there is a matter of luck so we have to wait for the results on the field of play.

I think now we should discuss only the semi-final matches. Pakistan had a poor performance in the last match due to which they were defeated by England by a big margin. When we were dreaming of Pakistan going to the semi-finals, we should have thought earlier that no matter how much we tried to fix the equation, Pakistan would have to win against England first. Where Pakistan failed to win against England, we failed to match all the equations.

The matches between the four teams that have qualified for the semi-finals have already been decided, with India taking on New Zealand and Australia taking on South Africa. It is sure to be a tough battle between these four teams but India will definitely be ahead against New Zealand and Australia will be ahead against South Africa.

Pakistan's performance has been poor since the start of this World Cup. The bowlers did not do well, as well as the performance of the batsmen was quite erratic. None of the batsmen in the squad could consistently perform well. This is why the Pakistan team failed to qualify for the semi-finals.

Australia, India, New Zealand and South Africa qualified for the semi-finals. And these four teams are in great form right now. Apart from New Zealand, the performance of the other three teams is very consistent. Indian team played well and won every match. And if they continue like this, India will not lose a single match in this World Cup and will become champions. I consider India as the most favorite to win the world championship.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 11, 2023, 09:19:17 PM

The last group match in the ICC Cricket World Cup will be played today, between India and Netherlands. India is likely to experiment with their bench strength, by including players such as Ashwin and Prasidh Krishna in their XI. On the other hand, this match is very crucial for the Netherlands. If they can defeat India somehow, then they will qualify for the 2025 Champions Trophy. That would mean additional matches against full member teams and a big boost in the fund allocation from the ICC for the Netherlands.

It would be surprising if India decides to rest fast bowlers, considering they are getting enough rest between every match and you don't want to break their rhythm before the semis. They also have 2 days rest for semis so i believe the workload is manageable.

If it's absolutely necessary then maybe Siraj or Bumrah can sit this one out and Krishna could come in. It's ~~Wankede~~ Chinnaswamy and all seamers are doing fine at this venue so Ashwin's services may not be required but again you never know what the Rohit-Dravid duo is thinking.

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In today match paksitan has to win his last match for his pride at least but unfortunately they didn't and lose against a team who played worst cricket from start and just won thier recent to be honest as a fan it's really tough.

England batted well and they carry forwarded the confidence from their last win but Pakistan batting lineup got confused and dropping Fakhar zaman costed them this in my opinion also Babar failed terribly and he didn't contrbute much in the runs column. Anyway while I was watching commentators mentioned that there is possibilty to drop Babar from captaincy due to lack of performance and PCB already made this decision, now sure how much valid this statement is but if its true then who will be the captain?

When Pakistan could not stop England in terms of runs, maybe their morale strength was lost. However, it is not possible to make impossible gaps according to their needs. But if Pakistan could have won the match as the last match then maybe we could say at positively. But in the end that didn't happen either. A target of 339 runs should have given the Pakistan team a more professional match. Because they won the last match brilliantly. Anyway, let's talk about the last four now. New Zealand will face India again. However, the performance of the Indian team this time is different from any other session. No team in the last three has the ability to beat them. But there is a matter of luck so we have to wait for the results on the field of play.

I think now we should discuss only the semi-final matches. Pakistan had a poor performance in the last match due to which they were defeated by England by a big margin. When we were dreaming of Pakistan going to the semi-finals, we should have thought earlier that no matter how much we tried to fix the equation, Pakistan would have to win against England first. Where Pakistan failed to win against England, we failed to match all the equations.

The matches between the four teams that have qualified for the semi-finals have already been decided, with India taking on New Zealand and Australia taking on South Africa. It is sure to be a tough battle between these four teams but India will definitely be ahead against New Zealand and Australia will be ahead against South Africa.

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India vs Netherlands
The World Cup is almost at an end, today is the last match of the World Cup group stage in India vs Netherlands. India has confirmed the semi-final from number 1 in the points table, India will play in the semi-final against New Zealand. Today's match is not an important match for India, but India is unbeaten so far so they will try to win today's match. Today's match is very important for Netherlands, although the chance of Netherlands win today is not 5%, if Netherlands can win today by luck then they will have chance to play in ICC Champions Trophy. Because Bangladesh is at number 8 with 4 points, if Netherlands can win today, it will be 6 points and will move up to number 8 in the points table. However there is absolutely no chance of Netherlands winning today, I am sure India will win today.

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The last group match in the ICC Cricket World Cup will be played today, between India and Netherlands. India is likely to experiment with their bench strength, by including players such as Ashwin and Prasidh Krishna in their XI. On the other hand, this match is very crucial for the Netherlands. If they can defeat India somehow, then they will qualify for the 2025 Champions Trophy. That would mean additional matches against full member teams and a big boost in the fund allocation from the ICC for the Netherlands.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on November 11, 2023, 11:56:48 AM

England squashed Pakistan surprisingly since I was expecting Pak to win this one. I felt that Afridi dropped the game when he dropped Stokes's catch who was in his 20s which was relatively easy in my opinion.

Anyway, both of these teams qualified for the CT 2025 which is the silver lining for them since they were out of the semifinals race before the match started.

In my opinion, Pakistani team didn't deserve to be in semi final , Pakistani team not only in this but also in whole tournament not performed well and the Pakistan played against New Zealand , Pakistan won due to luck.New Zealand team deserves to be in final , Semi final between India and New Zealand will be very interesting. England team not performed well in this tournament ,rather they are defending champion but they are at the bottom of points table. No one expect this type of performance of England team in World Cup. Indians are very tricky and they know all stat of any player and they plan and then execute it . But Next match will be very difficult for India because New Zealand team is playing good in this tournament and their bowling is top class . Santner will hit the wicket
and he will be man of the match in next match.

I completely disagreed with you about their performance win against New Zealand was not just because of the luck they perform well then ICC and event organizers give them two points and this rule apply for all matches and all teams with over all Pakistan were not good in this even but still I have feeling just two matches give them big setback first against Afghanistan and then South Africa they have done poor in these both matches and now have early flight back to home.
Pakistan having good players but mostly as team they fail to perform which is clearly lack of leadership and motivation which is also important in current era internal politics also having impact but still they have fifth spot which is reasonable for them with this performance in India where they have no experience and things were also not favorable for them.

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Quote from: SATWAT on November 11, 2023, 05:27:52 PM

In last few events Pakistan fail to perform as expectations which is surely big concern for them even every time we have good hype about them, but they never reach into last four as well with last time they lost final in 1999 and semi-final in 2011 after this we have never them at this point which is clearly indicating how things are going without any solid strategy and work they were here in India for the title and having same result which mean they need to sit and work out on their future if they want to have better results otherwise things like these will bring them down like we have cricket in Sri Lanka.
As media reports are saying few changes will be happened before Australia tour, even this could be another worst tour for them because they had never been good and now in current situation they can go down badly again.

The startling game of the Pakistan was good like India and South Africa,but after the defeat with the South Africa.The bowling of the Pakistan was th easy one to the opponent,today the weakest performer of the league also made the 300+ runs with the Pakistan bowling was the biggest draw back to the team Pakistan.This was the unexpected loss for the Pakistan,because the England won the Pakistan with the run gap between 93 runs.This was the huge gap next to the India and South Africa performance in the today match,this was the biggest lesson for the Pakistan to keep their complete game till the league or else it leads to big opportunity loss like this to the semi finals.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on November 11, 2023, 11:56:48 AM

England squashed Pakistan surprisingly since I was expecting Pak to win this one. I felt that Afridi dropped the game when he dropped Stokes's catch who was in his 20s which was relatively easy in my opinion.

Anyway, both of these teams qualified for the CT 2025 which is the silver lining for them since they were out of the semifinals race before the match started.

Every year these two teams have been in great form but due to poor performance of Pakistan and England in this year's Indian World Cup, England has been knocked out in the semi-final long ago and Pakistan has been knocked out in the semi-final by yesterday's match. However, the balance between these two teams was not right due to which they were eliminated from the semi-finals due to losing the early matches. However, both teams can participate in the 2025 Champions Trophy.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on November 11, 2023, 11:56:48 AM

England squashed Pakistan surprisingly since I was expecting Pak to win this one. I felt that Afridi dropped the game when he dropped Stokes's catch who was in his 20s which was relatively easy in my opinion.

Anyway, both of these teams qualified for the CT 2025 which is the silver lining for them since they were out of the semifinals race before the match started.

In my opinion, Pakistani team didn't deserve to be in semi final , Pakistani team not only in this but also in whole tournament not performed well and the Pakistan played against New Zealand , Pakistan won due to luck.New Zealand team deserves to be in final , Semi final between India and New Zealand will be very interesting. England team not performed well in this tournament ,rather they are defending champion but they are at the bottom of points table. No one expect this type of performance of England team in World Cup. Indians are very tricky and they know all stat of any player and they plan and then execute it . But Next match will be very difficult for India because New Zealand team is playing good in this tournament and their bowling is top class . Santner will hit the wicket
and he will be man of the match in next match.

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England squashed Pakistan surprisingly since I was expecting Pak to win this one. I felt that Afridi dropped the game when he dropped Stokes's catch who was in his 20s which was relatively easy in my opinion.

Anyway, both of these teams qualified for the CT 2025 which is the silver lining for them since they were out of the semifinals race before the match started.

Before the tournament started, no one would have thought that these two teams would perform so poorly. England, for most of the group phase duration was at the rock bottom of the points table. They won their last two matches and it enabled them to qualify for the Champions trophy. Pakistan was actually expected to do well, because they were in good form and also due to the fact that the matches are being played in the sub-continent. Their batsmen actually did a good job, but the bowlers failed them completely.

In last few events Pakistan fail to perform as expectations which is surely big concern for them even every time we have good hype about them, but they never reach into last four as well with last time they lost final in 1999 and semi-final in 2011 after this we have never them at this point which is clearly indicating how things are going without any solid strategy and work they were here in India for the title and having same result which mean they need to sit and work out on their future if they want to have better results otherwise things like these will bring them down like we have cricket in Sri Lanka.
As media reports are saying few changes will be happened before Australia tour, even this could be another worst tour for them because they had never been good and now in current situation they can go down badly again.

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Quote from: HelliumZ on November 11, 2023, 08:10:14 AM

Pakistan target 6.4 over 338 runs
Accomplishing the target in front of Pakistan is a rare event in cricket as 338 runs in six overs is unreal. Therefore, Pakistan's dream of qualifying for the semi-finals is never realized. But I hope that Pakistan will play well and win today's match for now.

Pakistan lose his last ever match of his world cup journey which we expect they will win but some poor performance from Haris through out the tournament ruined World cup dream of Pakistan I will not only blame Haris but entire team including Rizwan, shadab, iftikhar etc and poor captaincy from baber Azam. I think it's time for paksitan to get rid of this rubbish and should give opportunity to other player to took captaincy charge and remove as much as responsibility and pressure from baber and allow him to just Focus on his classical batting and that will be the moment where baber will regain his form and will perform much better than current worm performance

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In today match paksitan has to win his last match for his pride at least but unfortunately they didn't and lose against a team who played worst cricket from start and just won thier recent to be honest as a fan it's really tough.

England batted well and they carry forwarded the confidence from their last win but Pakistan batting lineup got confused and dropping Fakhar zaman costed them this in my opinion also Babar failed terribly and he didn't contrbute much in the runs column. Anyway while I was watching commentators mentioned that there is possibilty to drop Babar from captaincy due to lack of performance and PCB already made this decision, now sure how much valid this statement is but if its true then who will be the captain?

When Pakistan could not stop England in terms of runs, maybe their morale strength was lost. However, it is not possible to make impossible gaps according to their needs. But if Pakistan could have won the match as the last match then maybe we could say at positively. But in the end that didn't happen either. A target of 339 runs should have given the Pakistan team a more professional match. Because they won the last match brilliantly. Anyway, let's talk about the last four now. New Zealand will face India again. However, the performance of the Indian team this time is different from any other session. No team in the last three has the ability to beat them. But there is a matter of luck so we have to wait for the results on the field of play.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 11, 2023, 12:06:14 PM

Before the tournament started, no one would have thought that these two teams would perform so poorly. England, for most of the group phase duration was at the rock bottom of the points table. They won their last two matches and it enabled them to qualify for the Champions trophy. Pakistan was actually expected to do well, because they were in good form and also due to the fact that the matches are being played in the sub-continent. Their batsmen actually did a good job, but the bowlers failed them completely.

Pakistan really need to get rid of nepotism. Players like Imam and Shadab are in squad just because they have ties with people who have influence in PCB. Moreover this team is made on wishes of Babar Azam and not mush attention is paid on who deserve to be in team. Apart from win over New Zealand there is no noticeable performance from Pakistan team in this tournament. Players like Babar Azam and Rizwan should try to understand that scoring 50 runs on 60 balls wont be of any use to team.

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Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on November 11, 2023, 01:10:05 PM

In today match paksitan has to win his last match for his pride at least but unfortunately they didn't and lose against a team who played worst cricket from start and just won thier recent to be honest as a fan it's really tough.

England batted well and they carry forwarded the confidence from their last win but Pakistan batting lineup got confused and dropping Fakhar zaman costed them this in my opinion also Babar failed terribly and he didn't contrbute much in the runs column. Anyway while I was watching commentators mentioned that there is possibilty to drop Babar from captaincy due to lack of performance and PCB already made this decision, now sure how much valid this statement is but if its true then who will be the captain?

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on November 11, 2023, 11:56:48 AM

England squashed Pakistan surprisingly since I was expecting Pak to win this one. I felt that Afridi dropped the game when he dropped Stokes's catch who was in his 20s which was relatively easy in my opinion.

Anyway, both of these teams qualified for the CT 2025 which is the silver lining for them since they were out of the semifinals race before the match started.

England is a better side than Pakistan, however, in this World Cup they did not look like a team. Although England won today's match with Pakistan but overall they could not adjust to this 50 over cricket. They are a much better team when it comes to a T20 match or test match. However, in modern day ODI, there is ample time and you have to play an intelligent game which is not so fast as a T20 and not so slow as a test match. England failed to adjust their pace and there they lost all their matches in the beginning.

Also, it's high time that England let go of its older players like Ben Stokes from the 50 over game and give some new blood the chance to perform and develop England's team for the 2027 World Cup.

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Quote from: Bd officer on November 11, 2023, 09:29:34 AM

As Pakistan's batting line is bad in today's match, Pakistan's chances of winning are very low at the moment. Chasing a huge target of 338 runs, Pakistan lost 1 wicket in the 1st over and 1 wicket in the 3rd over, with the two opening batsmen getting out and Pakistan under a lot of pressure. Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan both batted well to help the team out of the pressure. But Babar Azam was dismissed for 38 runs off 45 balls, Pakistan are under pressure again at this point. Pakistan need to score 8+ runs per over to win. Saud Shakeel and Mohammad Rizwan are on strike at the moment and should form a good partnership. So far Pakistan has scored 94 runs for 3 wickets in 21 overs. But today England's victory seems more likely.

Paksitan team showed one of thier worst performance in world cup and I think it's ok for them to be knockout out of the world cup because they don't deserve such opportunity and let suppose if they got qualified on behalf of sirilanka win against NewZeland then still they have no chance to move forward because thier performance is totally rubbish from top to bottom and it's impossible for them to beat undefeated team india. In today match paksitan has to win his last match for his pride at least but unfortunately they didn't and lose against a team who played worst cricket from start and just won thier recent to be honest as a fan it's really tough.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on November 11, 2023, 11:56:48 AM

England squashed Pakistan surprisingly since I was expecting Pak to win this one. I felt that Afridi dropped the game when he dropped Stokes's catch who was in his 20s which was relatively easy in my opinion.

Anyway, both of these teams qualified for the CT 2025 which is the silver lining for them since they were out of the semifinals race before the match started.

Before the tournament started, no one would have thought that these two teams would perform so poorly. England, for most of the group phase duration was at the rock bottom of the points table. They won their last two matches and it enabled them to qualify for the Champions trophy. Pakistan was actually expected to do well, because they were in good form and also due to the fact that the matches are being played in the sub-continent. Their batsmen actually did a good job, but the bowlers failed them completely.

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England squashed Pakistan surprisingly since I was expecting Pak to win this one. I felt that Afridi dropped the game when he dropped Stokes's catch who was in his 20s which was relatively easy in my opinion.

Anyway, both of these teams qualified for the CT 2025 which is the silver lining for them since they were out of the semifinals race before the match started.

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Quote from: HelliumZ on November 11, 2023, 08:10:14 AM

Pakistan target 6.4 over 338 runs
Accomplishing the target in front of Pakistan is a rare event in cricket as 338 runs in six overs is unreal. Therefore, Pakistan's dream of qualifying for the semi-finals is never realized. But I hope that Pakistan will play well and win today's match for now.

England were too good today and they won this match quite easily by 93 runs. Though the England team performed well in their last two matches but it was too late for them to come back in the form as they already had lost the road to the semi finals, by losing their initial matches.

From Pakistan, we saw only one half century by Agha Salman. Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan got into their 30s but could not convert it into big score. The openers already failed today. There was nothing extraordinary in the bowling department too , however, Haris Rauf took 3 wickets but all the bowlers gave away too many runs.

Earlier, Ben Stokes made 80 runs while David Willey took three wickets and was the man of the match. This was the last ODI match for David Willey and he ended his career with a win for his team but sadly England is also out of this World Cup.

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