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Quote from: n0ne on August 14, 2023, 05:16:42 AM

Happy Independence Day @ThemePen. Pakistan is in good form after winning the series against New Zealand. The series is won 4-1 and during the series new Fakhar Zaman played really well. Pakistan squad includes the best and Afghanistan team is also doing good with its win in the previous series against Bangladesh. Hope the upcoming Pakistan vs Afghanistan series will be very interesting to watch and I expect atleast a win from Afghanistan.

Pakistan series with Afghanistan is important for Pakistan in a sense that if Pakistan win this series then they will move to number one odi team spot. Pakistan match with Afghanistan is always tight as Afghanistan always try there best to win the contest. Pakistan need to be very careful while playing with Afghanistan as they have the capability to win the ODI series.

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Quote from: ThemePen on August 14, 2023, 02:33:02 AM

Asia Cup will start from 30 August 2023. But before that we have a series of 3 ODI matches between Afghanistan vs Pakistan which will be started from 22 August. As we all know that Inzmam ul Haqq selected a new squad and they will show their performance in this series. Waiting for this series. And today we are celebrating our Independence day.

Happy Independence Day @ThemePen. Pakistan is in good form after winning the series against New Zealand. The series is won 4-1 and during the series new Fakhar Zaman played really well. Pakistan squad includes the best and Afghanistan team is also doing good with its win in the previous series against Bangladesh. Hope the upcoming Pakistan vs Afghanistan series will be very interesting to watch and I expect atleast a win from Afghanistan.

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Quote from: n0ne on August 14, 2023, 02:17:28 AM

In my view there is less chance for India to win the Asia Cup based on the recent performance. Though it is an ODI the performance of the players doesn't have much of variation. I think one of the small team will make miracles and reach till the finals. I'm not sure about the result of the match.

It's too early to say that India will not reach the finals of the Asia Cup. Yes, India lost to WI in a T20 series but Asia Cup is a different format, a format of ODI with different playing conditions of Asia, which may suit India better.

I think let the Asia Cup start, see how India plays their initial games, see how other teams are performing and then we may be in a position to predict that this Asia cup may or may not be for the Indians. Until then, all the fears and speculations mean no value.

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Asia Cup will start from 30 August 2023. But before that we have a series of 3 ODI matches between Afghanistan vs Pakistan which will be started from 22 August. As we all know that Inzmam ul Haqq selected a new squad and they will show their performance in this series. Waiting for this series. And today we are celebrating our Independence day.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 13, 2023, 11:59:57 PM

Quote from: n0ne on August 13, 2023, 07:21:47 AM

People were much interested on short format cricket. Another reason, people have got interest on different other games played around. Particularly the interest over football have increased compared to the old days. Already with the T20 Leagues played around the national cricket have lost importance. Soon we can expect the world cup matches and the club based leagues to be dominant.

Well, I think people are still interested in ODI matches and we will witness this in the upcoming Asia Cup.

Asia Cup is not far away as on the 30th of this month we will see a kickoff match between Pakistan and Nepal.

Whom do you think is the favourite for this title? India Huh

Pakistan

Or maybe Afghanistan, Bangladesh or Srilanka can Upset:

Do you think we can witness three matches between Pakistan and India ?

Below is the schedule for this tournament.

The viewership for the ODI matches were still there. This can be seen for specific matches and not every series have turned to be popular. Nowadays media too started to give big hype and promotion to increase the viewership. Within Asia there is good support, beyond that there are some cricket series being played, and unknown to the world. Such scenario needs to change.

In my view there is less chance for India to win the Asia Cup based on the recent performance. Though it is an ODI the performance of the players doesn't have much of variation. I think one of the small team will make miracles and reach till the finals. I'm not sure about the result of the match.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 13, 2023, 09:35:17 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 13, 2023, 03:46:11 AM

The situation is not black and white but gray.

It's true majority of the fans love fast-paced cricket that's why we are witnessing T-20 Franchise cricket everywhere but at the same Test cricket does matter, at least in England, Australia and India. Indian stadium might go empty during any test series but media rights for these test series are creating new records especially when it's against Australia and to some extent England.

Well.. talking about the media rights, it is already August and we haven't hard anything from the BCCI regarding media rights auction for the bilaterals for the 2024-28 period. It was supposed to be finalized a few months ago. For the 2018-23 period, Star Sports is the media rights holder for both television and OTT, and the deal was signed for ₹6,138.1 crores. This time, apart from Star other candidates in the race are Viacom 18, Sony and Zee. Base price for the 2024-28 cycle has been kept at ₹3,960 crore. And from what I have heard, all the bids will be processed throguh eAuction.

I was talking about the England-Australia media rights sale in India. Both ECB and CA got a great deal from Indian broadcasters. The latter got a juicy one, that's why BGT is now 5 test match series, instead of 4 test match.

Tenders are out for BCCI bilateral rights and should be over by 31st August and yeah i like the fact that they are going with e-auction again for transparency.

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Quote from: n0ne on August 13, 2023, 07:21:47 AM

People were much interested on short format cricket. Another reason, people have got interest on different other games played around. Particularly the interest over football have increased compared to the old days. Already with the T20 Leagues played around the national cricket have lost importance. Soon we can expect the world cup matches and the club based leagues to be dominant.

Well, I think people are still interested in ODI matches and we will witness this in the upcoming Asia Cup.

Asia Cup is not far away as on the 30th of this month we will see a kickoff match between Pakistan and Nepal.

Whom do you think is the favourite for this title? India Huh

Pakistan

Or maybe Afghanistan, Bangladesh or Srilanka can Upset:

Do you think we can witness three matches between Pakistan and India ?

Below is the schedule for this tournament.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 13, 2023, 03:46:11 AM

The situation is not black and white but gray.

It's true majority of the fans love fast-paced cricket that's why we are witnessing T-20 Franchise cricket everywhere but at the same Test cricket does matter, at least in England, Australia and India. Indian stadium might go empty during any test series but media rights for these test series are creating new records especially when it's against Australia and to some extent England.

Well.. talking about the media rights, it is already August and we haven't hard anything from the BCCI regarding media rights auction for the bilaterals for the 2024-28 period. It was supposed to be finalized a few months ago. For the 2018-23 period, Star Sports is the media rights holder for both television and OTT, and the deal was signed for ₹6,138.1 crores. This time, apart from Star other candidates in the race are Viacom 18, Sony and Zee. Base price for the 2024-28 cycle has been kept at ₹3,960 crore. And from what I have heard, all the bids will be processed throguh eAuction.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on August 13, 2023, 07:22:16 AM

Quote from: MusaPk on August 11, 2023, 01:27:36 PM

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India should also lift ban on its players for participation in T20 leagues. If BCCI has too much talent then they must send players to participate in T20 leagues as not all domestic players will be able to play IPL or national side. I don't know what's the mind set behind this ban where Indian players are not allowed to play other leagues.

May be the fear of BCCI is that if everyone is having the freedom to choose which franchise a player wanted to represent in other leagues then the popularity of those leagues will rise along with the IPL and they do not want that to happen Cheesy

. Since the players are getting good remuneration even for domestic matches they wont be revolting against these decisions either.

Thats the real lines behind the ban. IPL have turned to be one among the leading leagues played around. Something to compete against should be plucked at the base which is the real meaning behind the ban. Even without Indian players more leagues have gained popularity. Particularly the T20 Leagues have gained importance on the Asian countries. The same is slowly getting shifted as more new T20 Leagues are getting launched.

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Quote from: MusaPk on August 11, 2023, 01:27:36 PM

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India should also lift ban on its players for participation in T20 leagues. If BCCI has too much talent then they must send players to participate in T20 leagues as not all domestic players will be able to play IPL or national side. I don't know what's the mind set behind this ban where Indian players are not allowed to play other leagues.

May be the fear of BCCI is that if everyone is having the freedom to choose which franchise a player wanted to represent in other leagues then the popularity of those leagues will rise along with the IPL and they do not want that to happen Cheesy

. Since the players are getting good remuneration even for domestic matches they wont be revolting against these decisions either.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 13, 2023, 03:46:11 AM

Quote from: Tony116 on August 12, 2023, 01:42:57 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 11, 2023, 04:51:04 PM

To be fair to India, their 7 good years of test cricket came when Dhoni left the test captaincy and Kohli took over. India has been performing exceptionally well in Test cricket and a majority of the time were the number 1 test team with 5 Test Mace.

Also without any doubt, best test touring team in recent times but yeah in white ball cricket things are going in the opposite direction.

The thing is, the majority of cricket fans follow the shorter formats of cricket now a lot more compared to test cricket. So I think most of the people have been a little biased in their judgement. Most of the people have been a little biased because most of them have been keeping up with the shorter formats of cricket instead of test cricket.

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The situation is not black and white but gray.

It's true majority of the fans love fast-paced cricket that's why we are witnessing T-20 Franchise cricket everywhere but at the same Test cricket does matter, at least in England, Australia and India. Indian stadium might go empty during any test series but media rights for these test series are creating new records especially when it's against Australia and to some extent England.

People were much interested on short format cricket. Another reason, people have got interest on different other games played around. Particularly the interest over football have increased compared to the old days. Already with the T20 Leagues played around the national cricket have lost importance. Soon we can expect the world cup matches and the club based leagues to be dominant.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on August 11, 2023, 04:43:35 AM

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BREAKING NEWS

Shakib Al Hasan is back as Bangladesh's ODI captain. He'll be leading them in the Asia Cup and World Cup. This is somewhat good news for Bangladesh cricket and their fans, especially after facing a small crisis when their former captain Tamim Iqbal got injuries and stepped down from the ODI captain role. Al Hasan is the right person for this role, and I'm hopeful that Bangladesh will perform strongly in the upcoming tournaments under his leadership.

Shakib Al Hasan has initially been given the responsibility of captaining the Asia Cup and the World Cup. The BCB president held a meeting with the board members regarding which player can be made the captain for the new ODI cricket if Tamim Iqbal withdraws from the captaincy due to injury. Initially Shakib Al Hasan was offered the captaincy only for the Asia Cup but Shakib Al Hasan directly refused and told the board president that he would accept it if given the long-term responsibility. Now Shakib Al Hasan has been given the responsibility as the captain for the three formats of Bangladesh Test ODI and T20. A captain like Shakib Al Hasan was badly needed before the World Cup and Asia Cup and finally Bangladesh has managed to do that.

Asia Cup is coming and then like World Cup cricket, Bangladesh all-rounder Shakib Al Hasan will captain these two big events. As Tamim is injured, no one but Shakib is coming to his mind as BCB board captain, so the news that Shakib Al Hasan will lead this year's Asia Cup World Cup is very good news for cricket. Bangladeshi cricket fans are very happy with Shakib's leadership and we hope that this year's Asia Cup and World Cup Shakib's leadership will bring Bangladesh cricket great success. Shakib Al Hasan regained the leadership of Test and T20 after overcoming a one-year ban by ICC Shakib Al Hasan regained the captaincy of ODI after 6 years, but BCB will discuss if Shakib Al Hasan is interested in leading in three formats when he returns home. In 2009, Shakib became the captain of Bangladesh for the first time due to Mashrafe's injury in the West Indies tour. After that, the captaincy changed several times. This time Shakib Al Hasan became the captain of the Tigers for the fourth time. Shakib led the World Cup in 2011. Mashrafe led the World Cup in 2015 and 2019. Shakib Al Hasan will lead again in 2023. Shakib will try to give his best in this World Cup as Shakib himself has said that this is his last World Cup

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Quote from: Tony116 on August 12, 2023, 01:42:57 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 11, 2023, 04:51:04 PM

To be fair to India, their 7 good years of test cricket came when Dhoni left the test captaincy and Kohli took over. India has been performing exceptionally well in Test cricket and a majority of the time were the number 1 test team with 5 Test Mace.

Also without any doubt, best test touring team in recent times but yeah in white ball cricket things are going in the opposite direction.

The thing is, the majority of cricket fans follow the shorter formats of cricket now a lot more compared to test cricket. So I think most of the people have been a little biased in their judgement. Most of the people have been a little biased because most of them have been keeping up with the shorter formats of cricket instead of test cricket.

~edited out~

The situation is not black and white but gray.

It's true majority of the fans love fast-paced cricket that's why we are witnessing T-20 Franchise cricket everywhere but at the same Test cricket does matter, at least in England, Australia and India. Indian stadium might go empty during any test series but media rights for these test series are creating new records especially when it's against Australia and to some extent England.

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Quote from: Tony116 on August 12, 2023, 01:42:57 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 11, 2023, 04:51:04 PM

Quote from: Tony116 on August 11, 2023, 02:38:28 PM

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Both Bangladesh and India find themselves facing similar circumstances. I had a feeling that when Mashrafe bin Mortaza from Bangladesh, and Mahendra Singh Dhoni from India are going to retire, there is going to be a problem for both of the teams, trying to find a suitable captain for the future. And that is exactly what is happening with both of them. It’s not because they do not have players who cannot be the captain of the team. It is because they are not finding any player who can be the same level of captain that they were for their respective teams. And I don’t think they are going to find any players like that in recent times. That’s why all this experimenting is going on.

To be fair to India, their 7 good years of test cricket came when Dhoni left the test captaincy and Kohli took over. India has been performing exceptionally well in Test cricket and a majority of the time were the number 1 test team with 5 Test Mace.

Also without any doubt, best test touring team in recent times but yeah in white ball cricket things are going in the opposite direction.

The thing is, the majority of cricket fans follow the shorter formats of cricket now a lot more compared to test cricket. So I think most of the people have been a little biased in their judgement. Most of the people have been a little biased because most of them have been keeping up with the shorter formats of cricket instead of test cricket.

And I will also say that sometimes statistics are not all. Mahendra Singh Dhoni has saved India from a lot of really bad situations. I am almost certain that if it was any other captain, India would have been losing those matches.

Nowadays people find it difficult to spend more time watching the sports. This had made them switch to the shorter format of cricket. Another thing is the play style. In recent days the Ashes is really interesting and it tempted everyone to watch the matches, because both the teams played in such a way to have result on the matches whereas with most of the other teams the process will be to draw the match and they never take risks.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 11, 2023, 04:51:04 PM

Quote from: Tony116 on August 11, 2023, 02:38:28 PM

~snip~

Both Bangladesh and India find themselves facing similar circumstances. I had a feeling that when Mashrafe bin Mortaza from Bangladesh, and Mahendra Singh Dhoni from India are going to retire, there is going to be a problem for both of the teams, trying to find a suitable captain for the future. And that is exactly what is happening with both of them. It’s not because they do not have players who cannot be the captain of the team. It is because they are not finding any player who can be the same level of captain that they were for their respective teams. And I don’t think they are going to find any players like that in recent times. That’s why all this experimenting is going on.

To be fair to India, their 7 good years of test cricket came when Dhoni left the test captaincy and Kohli took over. India has been performing exceptionally well in Test cricket and a majority of the time were the number 1 test team with 5 Test Mace.

Also without any doubt, best test touring team in recent times but yeah in white ball cricket things are going in the opposite direction.

The thing is, the majority of cricket fans follow the shorter formats of cricket now a lot more compared to test cricket. So I think most of the people have been a little biased in their judgement. Most of the people have been a little biased because most of them have been keeping up with the shorter formats of cricket instead of test cricket.

And I will also say that sometimes statistics are not all. Mahendra Singh Dhoni has saved India from a lot of really bad situations. I am almost certain that if it was any other captain, India would have been losing those matches.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 11, 2023, 09:47:50 PM

They are never going to do this. The IPL franchises will be against this idea, as they fear that participation of Indian players in foreign leagues would have a negative impact on the IPL viewership. Previously there were suggestions to allow uncapped players in foreign leagues, but it was shelved due to opposition from the BCCI and also from the franchise owners. But now the situation has changed somehow. Most of the foreign T20 franchises are being owned by IPL franchises. For example, Mumbai Indians owns franchises in Major League Cricket (MI New York), SA20 (MI Cape Town) and ILT20 (MI Emirates). Given this, I think that the franchises will water down their opposition in the future.

Players like Kohli or Rohit Sharma don't need to play in other leagues as they are already earning enough from national squad and from IPL. There are lot of players in India that never make it to IPL not to national squad, for such players it's necessary that they should go out and play leagues for monetary gains. If bcci can take care of all of its players in domestic setup then they can continue with this ban.

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Quote from: MusaPk on August 11, 2023, 01:27:36 PM

India should also lift ban on its players for participation in T20 leagues. If BCCI has too much talent then they must send players to participate in T20 leagues as not all domestic players will be able to play IPL or national side. I don't know what's the mind set behind this ban where Indian players are not allowed to play other leagues.

They are never going to do this. The IPL franchises will be against this idea, as they fear that participation of Indian players in foreign leagues would have a negative impact on the IPL viewership. Previously there were suggestions to allow uncapped players in foreign leagues, but it was shelved due to opposition from the BCCI and also from the franchise owners. But now the situation has changed somehow. Most of the foreign T20 franchises are being owned by IPL franchises. For example, Mumbai Indians owns franchises in Major League Cricket (MI New York), SA20 (MI Cape Town) and ILT20 (MI Emirates). Given this, I think that the franchises will water down their opposition in the future.

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Quote from: Tony116 on August 11, 2023, 02:38:28 PM

~snip~

Both Bangladesh and India find themselves facing similar circumstances. I had a feeling that when Mashrafe bin Mortaza from Bangladesh, and Mahendra Singh Dhoni from India are going to retire, there is going to be a problem for both of the teams, trying to find a suitable captain for the future. And that is exactly what is happening with both of them. It’s not because they do not have players who cannot be the captain of the team. It is because they are not finding any player who can be the same level of captain that they were for their respective teams. And I don’t think they are going to find any players like that in recent times. That’s why all this experimenting is going on.

To be fair to India, their 7 good years of test cricket came when Dhoni left the test captaincy and Kohli took over. India has been performing exceptionally well in Test cricket and a majority of the time were the number 1 test team with 5 Test Mace.

Also without any doubt, best test touring team in recent times but yeah in white ball cricket things are going in the opposite direction.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 11, 2023, 09:55:13 AM

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BCB are also following BCCI's footstep in handing out captaincy, they are even doing better than the latter.

BCCI playing musical chairs in every bilateral series, choosing new captains and resting everyone else. BCB on the other hand playing on a different level where PM is getting involved every now n then.

Shakib might be a good option atm but why not look for a young skipper for the future?

With BCCI, it is understandable. They are facing an oversupply of talent. There are too many players who deserve an international cap, but the BCCI don't have enough matches available to give opportunities to all of them. I think this is one of the reasons why finally the BCCI agreed to send a team to Asian Games cricket tournament (after refusing to do so in 2010 and 2014). Anyway, a few important tournaments are coming up, including the Asia Cup and ODI World Cup. Hopefully the BCCI will be able to settle their selection woes before that.

Different team and captain for Windies.
Different team and captain for Ireland.
Different team and captain for Asian Games.
Mixed team and different captain for the Asia Cup.

Giving opportunities is a fair argument but in the big tournaments, it creates more problems than solutions because they go back to usual stuff and everything looks like a waste of talent and resources.

Both Bangladesh and India find themselves facing similar circumstances. I had a feeling that when Mashrafe bin Mortaza from Bangladesh, and Mahendra Singh Dhoni from India are going to retire, there is going to be a problem for both of the teams, trying to find a suitable captain for the future. And that is exactly what is happening with both of them. It’s not because they do not have players who cannot be the captain of the team. It is because they are not finding any player who can be the same level of captain that they were for their respective teams. And I don’t think they are going to find any players like that in recent times. That’s why all this experimenting is going on.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 11, 2023, 08:29:13 AM

With BCCI, it is understandable. They are facing an oversupply of talent. There are too many players who deserve an international cap, but the BCCI don't have enough matches available to give opportunities to all of them. I think this is one of the reasons why finally the BCCI agreed to send a team to Asian Games cricket tournament (after refusing to do so in 2010 and 2014). Anyway, a few important tournaments are coming up, including the Asia Cup and ODI World Cup. Hopefully the BCCI will be able to settle their selection woes before that.

India should also lift ban on its players for participation in T20 leagues. If BCCI has too much talent then they must send players to participate in T20 leagues as not all domestic players will be able to play IPL or national side. I don't know what's the mind set behind this ban where Indian players are not allowed to play other leagues.

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