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Afghanistan vs Sri Lanka Fast ODI match has started and Sri Lanka are batting in the first innings. Afghanistan has decided to opt bowl in the match. Sri Lanka are more likely to win today's match at their home ground they must perform well to win. If Sri Lanka can improve on today's batting performance then surely they will be able to win their first ODI match against Afghanistan. If Sri Lanka can hold on to wickets in today's match, they will have a chance to score a lot of runs. Sri Lanka is more likely to win the match, Afghanistan may be under some pressure if they bowl well in today's match. Sri Lanka is already likely to win most of the matches while Afghanistan's percentage is very low.

Several players from Afghanistan have already surprised many fans with their performances in the IPL. Especially Rashid Khan and Noor Ahmed were able to bring many benefits for themselves and the team in this year's IPL. Naveen -ul -Haque has performed well in this year's IPL but he is not in the squad for today's match.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 01, 2023, 10:33:08 PM

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Is that news final or just another random drama article regarding Asia Cup?

Maybe broadcasters should sue the ACC but i guess broadcasters are Indian based so it could be a tricky situation. In recent times PCB made many bold comments about boycotting this and that, now time will tell if they keep their promise or not.

It seems it is final now! Unless another issue pops up from Pakistan Grin

. Star Sports can sue ACC, eventually after that they will lose a lot of cricket broadcasting rights. That is why they won't do anything to make Chota Bhai angry.

PCB made a mess of it, they should have accepted BCCI request on the first day. All BCCI asked was for a neutral venue for Indian team. If they had agreed I guess Asia cup wouldn't have shifted to another country.

This is why you shouldn't come onto the media before negotiating t&c. Ramiz Raza made a mockery of this issue and then Sethi. Did we hear anyone from BCCI or ACC giving public statement in front of the media?

I think PCB had every right to play hardballs with the BCCI or ACC but they overplayed their hand with the hybrid model by blackmailing BCCI, they wanted to implement the same model for the upcoming WC and BCCI called their bluff, it might backfire if they actually boycott the WC.

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The media rights holder (Star Sports) paid an additional premium because there are matches between India and Pakistan (1 match in group phase, and at least one more in the playoffs). In case Pakistan pulls out, and get replaced with United Arab Emirates (since they finished as the runners up for the ACC Premier Cup), then the India vs Pakistan match is not going to happen and Star has every right to ask for a refund. If India pulls out of the tournament, then it is going to be even worse. In that case Star will ask for a 100% refund.

BCCI could compensate the broadcasters with a couple of bilateral series, this should cover their loss if there are any.

The problem will come when it's Broadcaster vs ICC.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_people on June 01, 2023, 11:45:30 PM

Afghanistan vs Sri Lanka Fast ODI match has started and Sri Lanka are batting in the first innings. Afghanistan has decided to opt bowl in the match. Sri Lanka are more likely to win today's match at their home ground they must perform well to win. If Sri Lanka can improve on today's batting performance then surely they will be able to win their first ODI match against Afghanistan. If Sri Lanka can hold on to wickets in today's match, they will have a chance to score a lot of runs. Sri Lanka is more likely to win the match, Afghanistan may be under some pressure if they bowl well in today's match. Sri Lanka is already likely to win most of the matches while Afghanistan's percentage is very low.

Sri Lanka is more likely to win against Afghanistan but based on the recent performances the two teams will be almost on equal footing in the recently concluded IPL where the Afghan cricketers have performed brilliantly in batting and bowling. Every player who has performed in the IPL is in the squad against Sri Lanka except Rashid Khan. Rashid Khan's absence may be some comforting news for Sri Lanka. So far 3 overs have been played where Sri Lanka have already lost one wicket. If the wickets fall so quickly in the ODI match, the team is in a lot of batting trouble. I don't want to put any team forward for now because Afghanistan bowling line-up can destroy any batting line-up at any time.

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Afghanistan vs Sri Lanka Fast ODI match has started and Sri Lanka are batting in the first innings. Afghanistan has decided to opt bowl in the match. Sri Lanka are more likely to win today's match at their home ground they must perform well to win. If Sri Lanka can improve on today's batting performance then surely they will be able to win their first ODI match against Afghanistan. If Sri Lanka can hold on to wickets in today's match, they will have a chance to score a lot of runs. Sri Lanka is more likely to win the match, Afghanistan may be under some pressure if they bowl well in today's match. Sri Lanka is already likely to win most of the matches while Afghanistan's percentage is very low.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 01, 2023, 10:47:48 PM

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It seems it is final now! Unless another issue pops up from Pakistan Grin

. Star Sports can sue ACC, eventually after that they will lose a lot of cricket broadcasting rights. That is why they won't do anything to make Chota Bhai angry.

PCB made a mess of it, they should have accepted BCCI request on the first day. All BCCI asked was for a neutral venue for Indian team. If they had agreed I guess Asia cup wouldn't have shifted to another country.

This is why you shouldn't come onto the media before negotiating t&c. Ramiz Raza made a mockery of this issue and then Sethi. Did we hear anyone from BCCI or ACC giving public statement in front of the media?

The media rights holder (Star Sports) paid an additional premium because there are matches between India and Pakistan (1 match in group phase, and at least one more in the playoffs). In case Pakistan pulls out, and get replaced with United Arab Emirates (since they finished as the runners up for the ACC Premier Cup), then the India vs Pakistan match is not going to happen and Star has every right to ask for a refund. If India pulls out of the tournament, then it is going to be even worse. In that case Star will ask for a 100% refund.

If it was in the contract then I don't think it will be an issue. ACC would have taken into consideration the repercussions. Above all ACC has not removed Pakistan from the tournament. It is Pakistan which has said in multiple times that they will boycott the Asia cup if hosting rights are revoked. Now, the onus will lie on PCB and not on ACC.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 01, 2023, 10:33:08 PM

It seems it is final now! Unless another issue pops up from Pakistan Grin

. Star Sports can sue ACC, eventually after that they will lose a lot of cricket broadcasting rights. That is why they won't do anything to make Chota Bhai angry.

PCB made a mess of it, they should have accepted BCCI request on the first day. All BCCI asked was for a neutral venue for Indian team. If they had agreed I guess Asia cup wouldn't have shifted to another country.

This is why you shouldn't come onto the media before negotiating t&c. Ramiz Raza made a mockery of this issue and then Sethi. Did we hear anyone from BCCI or ACC giving public statement in front of the media?

The media rights holder (Star Sports) paid an additional premium because there are matches between India and Pakistan (1 match in group phase, and at least one more in the playoffs). In case Pakistan pulls out, and get replaced with United Arab Emirates (since they finished as the runners up for the ACC Premier Cup), then the India vs Pakistan match is not going to happen and Star has every right to ask for a refund. If India pulls out of the tournament, then it is going to be even worse. In that case Star will ask for a 100% refund.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on June 01, 2023, 01:54:15 PM

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ACC has rejected the hybrid model. Asia cup will happen in Srilanka. If Pakistan pulls out of the tournament (which I feel it will) then India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan will be the four teams to play in the Asia cup. ICC has already taken assurance from PCB a few days back that they will participate in the world cup. The government of Pakistan has now said they are reluctant to send thier team to India. I feel a neutral destination might be selected for all matches of Pakistan by the ICC in this situation.

The politics are destroying the fun of cricket. I'm wondering why ACC decided to arrange the Asia cup in Pakistan while it is known to everyone that Indian team won't visit Pakistan! There wouldn't be so much drama like that if the upcoming world cup venue isn't India. I'm expecting more drama in the upcoming days if the hybrid model really gets rejected.

I agree with this point. Politics is ruining the beauty of cricket. But at the same time, I would say that India should go to Pakistan for the Asia Cup. Other parties have no problem in Pakistan. The Pakistan Cricket Board will ensure maximum security of the players. Since Pakistan will play in India in the World Cup, BCCI should keep politics aside and decide to perform in the Asia Cup in Pakistan. But BCCI will not do that.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 01, 2023, 12:24:40 PM

Is that news final or just another random drama article regarding Asia Cup?

Maybe broadcasters should sue the ACC but i guess broadcasters are Indian based so it could be a tricky situation. In recent times PCB made many bold comments about boycotting this and that, now time will tell if they keep their promise or not.

It seems it is final now! Unless another issue pops up from Pakistan Grin

. Star Sports can sue ACC, eventually after that they will lose a lot of cricket broadcasting rights. That is why they won't do anything to make Chota Bhai angry.

PCB made a mess of it, they should have accepted BCCI request on the first day. All BCCI asked was for a neutral venue for Indian team. If they had agreed I guess Asia cup wouldn't have shifted to another country.

This is why you shouldn't come onto the media before negotiating t&c. Ramiz Raza made a mockery of this issue and then Sethi. Did we hear anyone from BCCI or ACC giving public statement in front of the media?

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Indian domestic team Karnataka is visiting Namibia for a series of 5 ODI matches. Both the teams are not in full strength, as Namibia is missing two of their star players - David Wiese and Ruben Trumpelmann. Karnataka is missing almost all of their senior players including KL Rahul, Manish Pandey, Mayank Agarwal and Devdutt Padikkal. The matches will be streamed live on Fancode. This is an encouraging sign. I want more Indian domestic sides to tour Associate nations such as Namibia, Nepal and Scotland. It will be mutually beneficial.

BTW, the ODI series between Sri Lanka and Afghanistan also starts today (also covered live on Fancode).

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Quote from: elevates on June 01, 2023, 05:22:30 AM

ACC has rejected the hybrid model. Asia cup will happen in Srilanka. If Pakistan pulls out of the tournament (which I feel it will) then India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan will be the four teams to play in the Asia cup. ICC has already taken assurance from PCB a few days back that they will participate in the world cup. The government of Pakistan has now said they are reluctant to send thier team to India. I feel a neutral destination might be selected for all matches of Pakistan by the ICC in this situation.

The politics are destroying the fun of cricket. I'm wondering why ACC decided to arrange the Asia cup in Pakistan while it is known to everyone that Indian team won't visit Pakistan! There wouldn't be so much drama like that if the upcoming world cup venue isn't India. I'm expecting more drama in the upcoming days if the hybrid model really gets rejected.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 01, 2023, 10:51:30 AM

Quote from: elevates on June 01, 2023, 05:22:30 AM

ACC has rejected the hybrid model. Asia cup will happen in Srilanka. If Pakistan pulls out of the tournament (which I feel it will) then India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan will be the four teams to play in the Asia cup. ICC has already taken assurance from PCB a few days back that they will participate in the world cup. The government of Pakistan has now said they are reluctant to send thier team to India. I feel a neutral destination might be selected for all matches of Pakistan by the ICC in this situation.

There are few options left for the PCB. It is now almost certain that the tournament will be moved to Sri Lanka. There is a risk of rain interruption though, as the Monsoon season has started. In case Pakistan pulls out of the tournament, then United Arab Emirates will qualify as the 6th team. Anyway, I don't think that they will pull out. A better option for them is to agree to Sri Lanka as the hosts and then demand a hefty compensation from the ACC. Boycotting the ODI World Cup will be a stupid decision as well, as PCB's annual share was recently increased from $16 million per year to $34.51 million per year.

I absolutely agree. PCB will have to think about the best move on the chessboard right now. This is a losing battle for them. The best outcome is going to be them getting a good amount of money from the ICC. Any other decision of not playing the Asia Cup for the world cup is going to be absolutely stupid for Pakistan cricket board.

Quote from: JSRAW on June 01, 2023, 12:24:40 PM

Is that news final or just another random drama article regarding Asia Cup?

Maybe broadcasters should sue the ACC but i guess broadcasters are Indian based so it could be a tricky situation. In recent times PCB made many bold comments about boycotting this and that, now time will tell if they keep their promise or not.

I think at this point we know that the Asia Cup is not being hosted in Pakistan. There are going to be a lot of rumors about that. I believe nothing is actually official yet. But the way things are going on right now, everything does indicate only one outcome which is the Asia Cup not being played in Pakistan.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 01, 2023, 10:51:30 AM

Quote from: elevates on June 01, 2023, 05:22:30 AM

ACC has rejected the hybrid model. Asia cup will happen in Srilanka. If Pakistan pulls out of the tournament (which I feel it will) then India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan will be the four teams to play in the Asia cup. ICC has already taken assurance from PCB a few days back that they will participate in the world cup. The government of Pakistan has now said they are reluctant to send thier team to India. I feel a neutral destination might be selected for all matches of Pakistan by the ICC in this situation.

There are few options left for the PCB. It is now almost certain that the tournament will be moved to Sri Lanka. There is a risk of rain interruption though, as the Monsoon season has started. In case Pakistan pulls out of the tournament, then United Arab Emirates will qualify as the 6th team. Anyway, I don't think that they will pull out. A better option for them is to agree to Sri Lanka as the hosts and then demand a hefty compensation from the ACC. Boycotting the ODI World Cup will be a stupid decision as well, as PCB's annual share was recently increased from $16 million per year to $34.51 million per year.

Is that news final or just another random drama article regarding Asia Cup?

Maybe broadcasters should sue the ACC but i guess broadcasters are Indian based so it could be a tricky situation. In recent times PCB made many bold comments about boycotting this and that, now time will tell if they keep their promise or not.

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Quote from: elevates on June 01, 2023, 05:22:30 AM

ACC has rejected the hybrid model. Asia cup will happen in Srilanka. If Pakistan pulls out of the tournament (which I feel it will) then India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan will be the four teams to play in the Asia cup. ICC has already taken assurance from PCB a few days back that they will participate in the world cup. The government of Pakistan has now said they are reluctant to send thier team to India. I feel a neutral destination might be selected for all matches of Pakistan by the ICC in this situation.

There are few options left for the PCB. It is now almost certain that the tournament will be moved to Sri Lanka. There is a risk of rain interruption though, as the Monsoon season has started. In case Pakistan pulls out of the tournament, then United Arab Emirates will qualify as the 6th team. Anyway, I don't think that they will pull out. A better option for them is to agree to Sri Lanka as the hosts and then demand a hefty compensation from the ACC. Boycotting the ODI World Cup will be a stupid decision as well, as PCB's annual share was recently increased from $16 million per year to $34.51 million per year.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 31, 2023, 01:17:40 AM

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Other teams not agreeing to go to Pakistan? Apart from the BCCI, none of the other five boards have any problem in traveling to Pakistan to participate in the Asia Cup. And what do you mean when you say that conditions are not right for Pakistan to host the tournament? Recently different national teams (including those from the pig-4) have visited Pakistan and taken part in bilaterals. A few months back, the Pakistan Super League was hosted successfully by the PCB, in which large number of overseas players took part. There is no justification to take away the hosting rights from Pakistan.

After 9th of May the situation is very different now in Pakistan. The political crisis and current economical disaster after failed IMF meeting, points towards chaotic situation. Pakistan is in a mess as of now and it would be wise to move the Asia cup to a different country.

Bangladesh, Srilanka and Afghanistan have voted for Srilanka as an alternative for hosting Asia cup with India. If Pakistan doesn't agree then the Asia cup will be held without them most probably. If they would boycott World Cup in India then they would be facing problem and not India. BTW, India and BCCI are least bothered about Pakistan at the moment. I haven't seen any politician or BCCI representative talking about them. It is the Pakistani that are on the media almost every day with a new story.

I would not like to be biased. So I want to say from a neutral point of view. If the Asia Cup is in Pakistan, India will not play there because they have various security reasons. I applaud their decision. Where life is in threat, cricket is irrelevant especially where there is no safety. But again when Pakistan confronted them and presented the hybrid model as a solution, India also refused. This seems different to me. It remains to be seen that it is now a political issue. I think playing in the hybrid model will give them a better solution to their security issues. Here I want to know from the seniors to gather knowledge why India will not play in hybrid model?

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 01, 2023, 04:08:25 AM

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Even though the current state of affairs in Pakistan may be difficult it is necessary to take into account the possibility of progress in the future months. Stability and normalcy may result from the Supreme Court directive for speedy elections and the subsequent establishment of a new government. Therefore it would be hasty and foolish to rule Pakistan out as the location for the Asia Cup. In fact, there may be serious repercussions if Pakistan was left out of the event or moved. The ICC broadcasters, cricket boards, the Pakistani squad and fans all stand to lose a lot if they decide to boycott. To guarantee the best outcome for all parties concerned it is essential to approach this issue with careful consideration of both short term challenges and long term ramifications.

No one can predict the future! After the ex prime minister was removed things have been gone from bad to worst. Then no one can forget that the attack on 9th of May was done on Military establishment. They are the ones who are supposed to give security cover to International players. If they themselves are not safe then how will the players be.

After all, India is the main source of income for the ICC.
So, if they are saying that the Asia Cup is not going to be played in Pakistan I think that is going to end up happening.
The ICC is not going to say anything to make the BCCI angry for sure.

Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 01, 2023, 04:08:25 AM

Situation might change there is no guarantee. The Asia cup will get shifted for sure and PCB will ask for compensation. Which might be honoured or might not be, which we will come to know in the future.

At this point, it actually does not matter if the situation changes or not.
Pakistan is probably not going to be having the honor of hosting the Asia Cup.
That might not get any compensation as well.

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Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on June 01, 2023, 04:51:46 AM

I don't know why BCCI are in favore of transferring Asia Cup from Pakistan, if they have any issue in Pakistan why they should not accept the hybrid model to play his match at neutral venue, also while other team has not any issue so BCCI should not force other board to not play in Pakistan.
If BCCI has not changed his attitude then they will be responsible of consequences, because by losing two match of indopak in AsiaCup BCCI will lose millions of dollar which they get from broadcaster StarSports, after that Thier are alot of chances that PCB will bycott world Cup which will be another huge financial loss for ICC and BCCI.
So it's will be a good decision for BCCI to accept hybrid model and don't force any other board for avoid pakistan move.

ACC has rejected the hybrid model. Asia cup will happen in Srilanka. If Pakistan pulls out of the tournament (which I feel it will) then India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan will be the four teams to play in the Asia cup. ICC has already taken assurance from PCB a few days back that they will participate in the world cup. The government of Pakistan has now said they are reluctant to send thier team to India. I feel a neutral destination might be selected for all matches of Pakistan by the ICC in this situation.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 31, 2023, 10:47:47 PM

Furthermore once again the might power of BCCI is clear to see and thus it’s only a matter of time before Pakistan changes their stand allows the Asia Cup to shift to another country.

I don't know why BCCI are in favore of transferring Asia Cup from Pakistan, if they have any issue in Pakistan why they should not accept the hybrid model to play his match at neutral venue, also while other team has not any issue so BCCI should not force other board to not play in Pakistan.
If BCCI has not changed his attitude then they will be responsible of consequences, because by losing two match of indopak in AsiaCup BCCI will lose millions of dollar which they get from broadcaster StarSports, after that Thier are alot of chances that PCB will bycott world Cup which will be another huge financial loss for ICC and BCCI.
So it's will be a good decision for BCCI to accept hybrid model and don't force any other board for avoid pakistan move.

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Quote from: Unknown Op on May 31, 2023, 02:35:36 PM

Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on May 31, 2023, 12:46:59 PM

It's true that currently situation are not good in Pakistan but till September situation will not be same, there will be a decent change done as Supreme Court order for quick elections and after new government formed things will be totally normal, so by making these things as a reason of transferring Aisa Cup form Pakistan will be fool decision.
I am pretty sure that if Asia Cup venue transferred from Pakistan or play Asia Cup without them then difinitely they will bycott world cup which will be big disaster and loss for Cricket boards , ICC , broadcaster, and Fans.

Even though the current state of affairs in Pakistan may be difficult it is necessary to take into account the possibility of progress in the future months. Stability and normalcy may result from the Supreme Court directive for speedy elections and the subsequent establishment of a new government. Therefore it would be hasty and foolish to rule Pakistan out as the location for the Asia Cup. In fact, there may be serious repercussions if Pakistan was left out of the event or moved. The ICC broadcasters, cricket boards, the Pakistani squad and fans all stand to lose a lot if they decide to boycott. To guarantee the best outcome for all parties concerned it is essential to approach this issue with careful consideration of both short term challenges and long term ramifications.

No one can predict the future! After the ex prime minister was removed things have been gone from bad to worst. Then no one can forget that the attack on 9th of May was done on Military establishment. They are the ones who are supposed to give security cover to International players. If they themselves are not safe then how will the players be.

Situation might change there is no guarantee. The Asia cup will get shifted for sure and PCB will ask for compensation. Which might be honoured or might not be, which we will come to know in the future.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 31, 2023, 01:27:59 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 31, 2023, 01:17:40 AM

After 9th of May the situation is very different now in Pakistan. The political crisis and current economical disaster after failed IMF meeting, points towards chaotic situation. Pakistan is in a mess as of now and it would be wise to move the Asia cup to a different country.
Bangladesh, Srilanka and Afghanistan have voted for Srilanka as an alternative for hosting Asia cup with India. If Pakistan doesn't agree then the Asia cup will be held without them most probably. If they would boycott World Cup in India then they would be facing problem and not India. BTW, India and BCCI are least bothered about Pakistan at the moment. I haven't seen any politician or BCCI representative talking about them. It is the Pakistani that are on the media almost every day with a new story.

Conducting the Asia Cup in Sri Lanka during the Monsoon season is going to be a bad decision. There is a good chance that the matches will get washed out. But I agree that current political climate in Pakistan is a bit tricky. The opposition party is holding a lot of protests over the arrest of Imran Khan, and there is a very good chance of violent riots occurring in the next few days. My main concern is about Nepal. They qualified to this tournament as a result of a lot of hard work. It will be demotivating for them, to lose another chance to contest against the test nations.

I have no problem with Pakistan hosting the Asia Cup. But as long as they do not have any problems giving proper security to all the teams and as long as any players or staff members of any team does not face any problems because of the political situation of Pakistan. I also really want Pakistan to host the Asia Cup because that is going to play an important role in Pakistan hosting bilateral series in the future. But right now anything can actually happen if Asia Cup is hosted in Pakistan. So, I am really not sure about that.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 31, 2023, 10:47:47 PM

@Sithara007 why do I have a feeling that Pakistan always knew that they were fighting a losing battle but they decided to keep dragging it so they could recover more compensation? Furthermore once again the might power of BCCI is clear to see and thus it’s only a matter of time before Pakistan changes their stand allows the Asia Cup to shift to another country.

I don't know. Perhaps they want more compensation from the ACC (but then ACC is not a rich body like the ICC and they have a limited pool of funds available). It may also be a tactic to divert some attention from the ongoing cold war between Najam Sethi and Rameez Raja. Najam doesn't want to give a weapon in Rameez's hand as the latter is claiming that he is being too subservient to the Indian board. Anyway, we all know what is going to happen at the end. The tournament will be shifted to a third country (most probably Sri Lanka).

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