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Quote from: DanWalker on May 21, 2023, 01:37:06 PM

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Anyway, I think we all know that people of both these countries are actually very crazy when it comes to cricket. So it will be better for the ICC to let the situation get stable a little.

The problem everyone see is that the BCCI has an upper hand in the decisions of ICC. Personally i am not happy that politicians are interfering in sports and that should be independent from any sporting events but that is not the case with Cricket even though there are no restriction on other sporting events between India and Pakistan but as you mentioned Cricket is the most followed sport in both countries and hence the hype.

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Quote from: BobK71 on May 21, 2023, 12:05:03 PM

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The Market that can be created or the revenue that can be generated in a Pakistan v India match is unreal. If 50 percent of that could actually be created in any other match it would have actually had a big global impact in my opinion. But the problem is that type of market is hard to generate and ICC does not have any intention of doing that as well.
I would actually like to see a better and bigger population being interested in cricket globally. The amount of supporters that Nepal gets in a match is actually very good. If all the countries got that much support from there on population cricket could have been a lot bigger sport. But the ICC does not have any headaches about that.

Any match between Pakistan and India is definitely different. There are enough reasons behind it. Being geographically adjacent countries, it is not unusual for them to have many things in common. Moreover, If review its history there would have been extreme cricket fights between these two countries. I will not take any support both of the two countries. Just think if India get 40 percent of money from total distributed amount from ICC then it must be understood that ICC earn more from India. But the rest of the other countries are not even close to it. So comparing India vs Pakistan match with other countries is irrelevant. Because if these two countries play, the entire cricket world will be shaken.

When it comes to India versus Pakistan we all know that a great battle is going to take place. Both of the countries actually got separated from each other but to be honest, the hatred between them is still there. And the hatred is often fuelled by the media and the politicians of both countries.

Of course, the countries and the general people of these countries are not going to go to war against each other. So they really want their cricket team to beat the other. And whoever is the winning team in this match is going to call for a celebration in that certain country.

Anyway, I think we all know that people of both these countries are actually very crazy when it comes to cricket. So it will be better for the ICC to let the situation get stable a little.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 21, 2023, 03:15:57 AM

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Zimbabwe S vs Pakistan S
Today is the 3rd unofficial ODI between these two teams. If we take a look of the previous two matches. So we will see that the Zimbabwe team is looking more strong as compare to the Pakistan team. In the first match Zimbabwe made 234 runs but Pakistan team got out on 210 runs. In the second ODI Zimbabwe made 236 runs but Pakistan's performance was really bad and it made only 156 runs.
Today Zimbabwe is also looking strong. Let see what will happen?

Zimbabwe has already one the series! Relax it is an unofficial match therefore it wont affect the stats. Looking at the present scenario this Pakistan team lacks good talents otherwise they won't have lost so badly in both matches. I a surprised Zimbabwe is playing so good, their A team even does not play so well in International series or ICC tournament.

The Pakistan team has to improve a lot. I will also say that they have a long way to go. So they also have a long time to figure things out. And of course, this was not an official match.

Well, the whole series was not official. So, I don't think it is going to matter too much. The only thing this does is to show Pakistan in which area they have to improve. And I think I can confidently say that they have a lot of areas to work on. At the same time, Zimbabwe looks to have a good young team in the making.

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Quote from: DanWalker on May 21, 2023, 11:14:21 AM

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Not only FIFA but now all sports have become a source of money making. Many people depend their livelihood through sports. Betting site is one of them, thousands of gamblers have chosen various games as their main profession to earn money. Each game has more or less trading options. However, due to the introduction of business in sports and the exchange of money, almost all sports are affected by corruption

In last two decades we have the biggest changes which are creating good chances for the players and organizers to have huge profit with in this all media is doing the best thing new technology introducing and many other industries are also involved are bringing more money but sadly in cricket we are not having things like we have in other sports because they have strong markets and also creating level in all departments but here in cricket we have big power of 4 countries which are controlling all and not allowing others to have better things which are not good if we have same attitude from the these big 4 then surely we will have decline in progress because many countries will be not able to run their system, and they will stop playing we need positive mindset and revolutionary changes.

The Market that can be created or the revenue that can be generated in a Pakistan v India match is unreal. If 50 percent of that could actually be created in any other match it would have actually had a big global impact in my opinion. But the problem is that type of market is hard to generate and ICC does not have any intention of doing that as well.

I would actually like to see a better and bigger population being interested in cricket globally. The amount of supporters that Nepal gets in a match is actually very good. If all the countries got that much support from there on population cricket could have been a lot bigger sport. But the ICC does not have any headaches about that.

Any match between Pakistan and India is definitely different. There are enough reasons behind it. Being geographically adjacent countries, it is not unusual for them to have many things in common. Moreover, If review its history there would have been extreme cricket fights between these two countries. I will not take any support both of the two countries. Just think if India get 40 percent of money from total distributed amount from ICC then it must be understood that ICC earn more from India. But the rest of the other countries are not even close to it. So comparing India vs Pakistan match with other countries is irrelevant. Because if these two countries play, the entire cricket world will be shaken.

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Quote from: jaberwock on May 20, 2023, 12:30:31 PM

Quote from: speeder on May 20, 2023, 04:36:37 AM

Not only FIFA but now all sports have become a source of money making. Many people depend their livelihood through sports. Betting site is one of them, thousands of gamblers have chosen various games as their main profession to earn money. Each game has more or less trading options. However, due to the introduction of business in sports and the exchange of money, almost all sports are affected by corruption

In last two decades we have the biggest changes which are creating good chances for the players and organizers to have huge profit with in this all media is doing the best thing new technology introducing and many other industries are also involved are bringing more money but sadly in cricket we are not having things like we have in other sports because they have strong markets and also creating level in all departments but here in cricket we have big power of 4 countries which are controlling all and not allowing others to have better things which are not good if we have same attitude from the these big 4 then surely we will have decline in progress because many countries will be not able to run their system, and they will stop playing we need positive mindset and revolutionary changes.

The Market that can be created or the revenue that can be generated in a Pakistan v India match is unreal. If 50 percent of that could actually be created in any other match it would have actually had a big global impact in my opinion. But the problem is that type of market is hard to generate and ICC does not have any intention of doing that as well.

I would actually like to see a better and bigger population being interested in cricket globally. The amount of supporters that Nepal gets in a match is actually very good. If all the countries got that much support from there on population cricket could have been a lot bigger sport. But the ICC does not have any headaches about that.

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Zimbabwe S vs Pakistan S
Today is the 3rd unofficial ODI between these two teams. If we take a look of the previous two matches. So we will see that the Zimbabwe team is looking more strong as compare to the Pakistan team. In the first match Zimbabwe made 234 runs but Pakistan team got out on 210 runs. In the second ODI Zimbabwe made 236 runs but Pakistan's performance was really bad and it made only 156 runs.
Today Zimbabwe is also looking strong. Let see what will happen?

Zimbabwe has already one the series! Relax it is an unofficial match therefore it wont affect the stats. Looking at the present scenario this Pakistan team lacks good talents otherwise they won't have lost so badly in both matches. I a surprised Zimbabwe is playing so good, their A team even does not play so well in International series or ICC tournament.

It is not really acceptable if a team like Pakistan loses to Zimbabwe like this. Because Pakistan team is much higher than Zimbabwe in the points table and Pakistan is ahead in all aspects in terms of performance and quality of players and experience.

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Quote from: ThemePen on May 21, 2023, 01:45:17 AM

Zimbabwe S vs Pakistan S
Today is the 3rd unofficial ODI between these two teams. If we take a look of the previous two matches. So we will see that the Zimbabwe team is looking more strong as compare to the Pakistan team. In the first match Zimbabwe made 234 runs but Pakistan team got out on 210 runs. In the second ODI Zimbabwe made 236 runs but Pakistan's performance was really bad and it made only 156 runs.
Today Zimbabwe is also looking strong. Let see what will happen?

Zimbabwe has already one the series! Relax it is an unofficial match therefore it wont affect the stats. Looking at the present scenario this Pakistan team lacks good talents otherwise they won't have lost so badly in both matches. I a surprised Zimbabwe is playing so good, their A team even does not play so well in International series or ICC tournament.

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Zimbabwe S vs Pakistan S
Today is the 3rd unofficial ODI between these two teams. If we take a look of the previous two matches. So we will see that the Zimbabwe team is looking more strong as compare to the Pakistan team. In the first match Zimbabwe made 234 runs but Pakistan team got out on 210 runs. In the second ODI Zimbabwe made 236 runs but Pakistan's performance was really bad and it made only 156 runs.
Today Zimbabwe is also looking strong. Let see what will happen?

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Quote from: Ayers on May 20, 2023, 12:32:53 PM

It is true that international cricket is becoming more and more irrelevant. Franchise cricket and T20 league cricket are also becoming more and more popular day by day. But I think that transition is happening a little too fast. I don't know if Cricket is ready for that transition.

Only one franchise cricket is a big success and not all. Therefore your argument that T20 cricket is becoming more relevant is baseless. If multiple franchise leagues were a huge success then your argument would have been relevant. The right sentence here would be and which I also agree is that ODI and Test cricket becoming irrelevant with T20 fromat becoming more relevant. Players are eager to play this format not just because of money but also because it gets over in just 3 hours. Physically they can play more T20 games without getting injured then other formats.

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Well, I actually agree with you. And I am not going to say that I am wrong but I will say that we are both right.

You said that he is just making sure that he is going to be the next captain of Ireland. And how would he do that? He is going to take a financial loss by not playing or being with the IPL team and instead playing with his national team. And that's exactly what he did. As he is the first player to play in the IPL from Ireland as far as I know. I think he will also be able to popularize cricket in Ireland a lot more.

Don't know whether I can agree with you guys. IMO, Josh Little will gain more by playing in the IPL. What he will gain by becoming the captain of the Ireland side? Ireland hardly gets any matches against the pig-4 and nowadays they can't even win against team such as Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. And there are rumors that IPL franchises are trying to enter into direct contracts with overseas players, which will allow them these players to take part in franchise T20 leagues year round. International cricket is rapidly becoming irrelevant, outside the ICC tournaments.

It is true that international cricket is becoming more and more irrelevant. Franchise cricket and T20 league cricket are also becoming more and more popular day by day. But I think that transition is happening a little too fast. I don't know if Cricket is ready for that transition.

I say that because cricket is not popular all around the world. So international cricket losing its relevance is probably not going to be a good thing for cricket in the long run . Now I think the smaller associate countries are of course still trying to improve the national team because they do not have a base to create a t20 league. And that's where the problem starts. If international cricket is irrelevant how can they improve with the national team?

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Quote from: speeder on May 20, 2023, 04:36:37 AM

Not only FIFA but now all sports have become a source of money making. Many people depend their livelihood through sports. Betting site is one of them, thousands of gamblers have chosen various games as their main profession to earn money. Each game has more or less trading options. However, due to the introduction of business in sports and the exchange of money, almost all sports are affected by corruption

In last two decades we have the biggest changes which are creating good chances for the players and organizers to have huge profit with in this all media is doing the best thing new technology introducing and many other industries are also involved are bringing more money but sadly in cricket we are not having things like we have in other sports because they have strong markets and also creating level in all departments but here in cricket we have big power of 4 countries which are controlling all and not allowing others to have better things which are not good if we have same attitude from the these big 4 then surely we will have decline in progress because many countries will be not able to run their system, and they will stop playing we need positive mindset and revolutionary changes.

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Quote from: romero121 on May 19, 2023, 06:59:36 PM

Money is a factor, and the same have connect with emotions. We can't simply say there is no emotion with franchise based cricket and football leagues. Everything have got been started for some reason. With time the growth takes them to be more of money oriented and there is decline in the emotions. End of the day everything is business and we can't find a place where everything happens perfect. Everywhere we can see few boards or authorities dominant for some reason, same is happening with cricket.

Exactly the money is a factor. Every game is a business like you said. If you go through the FIFA World Cup there is the business. If you go through the cricket world cup there is the business. They generate a handsome revenue from these games. Gambling is also involved and they also take the benefits from this. Means everywhere you will see that the money is interfering.

Not only FIFA but now all sports have become a source of money making. Many people depend their livelihood through sports. Betting site is one of them, thousands of gamblers have chosen various games as their main profession to earn money. Each game has more or less trading options. However, due to the introduction of business in sports and the exchange of money, almost all sports are affected by corruption

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Good to hear that Josh Little is back to the Indian Premier League. Ireland management need to understand that IPL stints can be life-changing for their players. They asked Little to join their squad while the IPL was still on, and it cost him around $150,000 (a wild guess, given his contract value is around $536,000). And even with Little present in their squad, they failed to qualify for the ODI World Cup through the direct route. In the end, Little's presence didn't had much of an impact, although the player himself suffered financially.

These days boards are preferring IPL over national duties. We saw recently new zealand board sending team to Pakistan without key players who were busy in IPL. Its because IPL gave money not only to players but to there respective boards too. Josh little alone can't do anything, if the team is struggling in both batting and bowling department.

When the IPL is on, there are usually very few bilateral series as most of the players from the teams that host the bilateral series do not participate in the IPL. These include Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Ireland. If a bilateral series is organized while the IPL is on then no channel wants to broadcast the bilateral series as most people usually watch the IPL when the IPL is on. Different players are allowed to play in the IPL during different series because the financial condition of the cricket board improves when the board has to pay a certain portion of the amount of money a player gets from the IPL.

Since you brought up IPL here, I would like to say that few Bangladeshi players get chance in this league but they are not highly respected in any match. As such, I think they are keeping Bangladeshi players low.

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Quote from: MusaPk on May 19, 2023, 06:44:47 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 17, 2023, 08:29:31 PM

Good to hear that Josh Little is back to the Indian Premier League. Ireland management need to understand that IPL stints can be life-changing for their players. They asked Little to join their squad while the IPL was still on, and it cost him around $150,000 (a wild guess, given his contract value is around $536,000). And even with Little present in their squad, they failed to qualify for the ODI World Cup through the direct route. In the end, Little's presence didn't had much of an impact, although the player himself suffered financially.

These days boards are preferring IPL over national duties. We saw recently new zealand board sending team to Pakistan without key players who were busy in IPL. Its because IPL gave money not only to players but to there respective boards too. Josh little alone can't do anything, if the team is struggling in both batting and bowling department.

When the IPL is on, there are usually very few bilateral series as most of the players from the teams that host the bilateral series do not participate in the IPL. These include Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Ireland. If a bilateral series is organized while the IPL is on then no channel wants to broadcast the bilateral series as most people usually watch the IPL when the IPL is on. Different players are allowed to play in the IPL during different series because the financial condition of the cricket board improves when the board has to pay a certain portion of the amount of money a player gets from the IPL.

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Quote from: Ayers on May 19, 2023, 07:29:18 AM

Well, I actually agree with you. And I am not going to say that I am wrong but I will say that we are both right.

You said that he is just making sure that he is going to be the next captain of Ireland. And how would he do that? He is going to take a financial loss by not playing or being with the IPL team and instead playing with his national team. And that's exactly what he did. As he is the first player to play in the IPL from Ireland as far as I know. I think he will also be able to popularize cricket in Ireland a lot more.

Don't know whether I can agree with you guys. IMO, Josh Little will gain more by playing in the IPL. What he will gain by becoming the captain of the Ireland side? Ireland hardly gets any matches against the pig-4 and nowadays they can't even win against team such as Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. And there are rumors that IPL franchises are trying to enter into direct contracts with overseas players, which will allow them these players to take part in franchise T20 leagues year round. International cricket is rapidly becoming irrelevant, outside the ICC tournaments.

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Quote from: Rabata on May 19, 2023, 01:26:53 PM

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 17, 2023, 08:29:31 PM

Good to hear that Josh Little is back to the Indian Premier League. Ireland management need to understand that IPL stints can be life-changing for their players. They asked Little to join their squad while the IPL was still on, and it cost him around $150,000 (a wild guess, given his contract value is around $536,000). And even with Little present in their squad, they failed to qualify for the ODI World Cup through the direct route. In the end, Little's presence didn't had much of an impact, although the player himself suffered financially.

These days boards are preferring IPL over national duties. We saw recently new zealand board sending team to Pakistan without key players who were busy in IPL. Its because IPL gave money not only to players but to there respective boards too. Josh little alone can't do anything, if the team is struggling in both batting and bowling department.

Nowadays money is an important issue for everything. There is no way to ignore it. But from a responsible place there are definitely things that cannot be ignored. Pakistan is one of the strongest teams in cricket. So it is not reasonable to allow weaker team against them. But the New Zealand board had nothing alternative. Moreover, not only cricket, if you look at the football world the picture is the same. Footballers will join those clubs that pay more. What I understand is that in this age it is not possible to hold anything with emotions.

Money is a factor, and the same have connect with emotions. We can't simply say there is no emotion with franchise based cricket and football leagues. Everything have got been started for some reason. With time the growth takes them to be more of money oriented and there is decline in the emotions. End of the day everything is business and we can't find a place where everything happens perfect. Everywhere we can see few boards or authorities dominant for some reason, same is happening with cricket.

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Quote from: MusaPk on May 19, 2023, 06:44:47 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 17, 2023, 08:29:31 PM

Good to hear that Josh Little is back to the Indian Premier League. Ireland management need to understand that IPL stints can be life-changing for their players. They asked Little to join their squad while the IPL was still on, and it cost him around $150,000 (a wild guess, given his contract value is around $536,000). And even with Little present in their squad, they failed to qualify for the ODI World Cup through the direct route. In the end, Little's presence didn't had much of an impact, although the player himself suffered financially.

These days boards are preferring IPL over national duties. We saw recently new zealand board sending team to Pakistan without key players who were busy in IPL. Its because IPL gave money not only to players but to there respective boards too. Josh little alone can't do anything, if the team is struggling in both batting and bowling department.

Nowadays money is an important issue for everything. There is no way to ignore it. But from a responsible place there are definitely things that cannot be ignored. Pakistan is one of the strongest teams in cricket. So it is not reasonable to allow weaker team against them. But the New Zealand board had nothing alternative. Moreover, not only cricket, if you look at the football world the picture is the same. Footballers will join those clubs that pay more. What I understand is that in this age it is not possible to hold anything with emotions.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 19, 2023, 06:51:27 AM

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I don't think we can actually blame Josh Little. He did what he was supposed to. He put his duty towards his national team head of money. And I really like that decision from him. I know it did not matter too much in the end because they could not win any matches. But I would still say that he did the right thing.

Actually you are wrong, what Little did was brilliant. Ireland is an upcoming team in cricket. Little might be the only player from Ireland playing in IPL. He got recognised in IPL because of his team. He just securing his berth and at the same time ensuring his seat as the next captain of Irish team.

Andrew Balbirnie is 32 year old with zero hopes of getting a place in IPL at the moment. He will retire in a few years or might get removed as a Captain after the WC, if they qualify or before the WC if they do no qualify. The next player that might get a chance is Little. Why? Because of IPL, his performance and his commitment to his team.

Well, I actually agree with you. And I am not going to say that I am wrong but I will say that we are both right.

You said that he is just making sure that he is going to be the next captain of Ireland. And how would he do that? He is going to take a financial loss by not playing or being with the IPL team and instead playing with his national team. And that's exactly what he did. As he is the first player to play in the IPL from Ireland as far as I know. I think he will also be able to popularize cricket in Ireland a lot more.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 19, 2023, 06:51:27 AM

Actually you are wrong, what Little did was brilliant. Ireland is an upcoming team in cricket. Little might be the only player from Ireland playing in IPL. He got recognised in IPL because of his team. He just securing his berth and at the same time ensuring his seat as the next captain of Irish team.

Andrew Balbirnie is 32 year old with zero hopes of getting a place in IPL at the moment. He will retire in a few years or might get removed as a Captain after the WC, if they qualify or before the WC if they do no qualify. The next player that might get a chance is Little. Why? Because of IPL, his performance and his commitment to his team.

What has Andrew Balbirnie achieved so far? His performance as a captain has been as disastrous as his performance as a batsman. In case Josh Little is available, then nothing wrong in naming him as the replacement. But right now he is sought after in various T20 leagues around the world. Naming him as the captain will force him to reject attractive contracts from different T20 franchises around the world. One good thing for Ireland is that they have 3-4 youngsters coming up nicely - Josh Little, Harry Tector, Lorcan Tucker and Curtis Campher. But the problem is that in order to win, they need all the 11 players to perform and not just 4. And nowadays, although the younger players are performing well, the seniors are dragging the team down.

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Quote from: Ayers on May 19, 2023, 05:28:58 AM

I don't think we can actually blame Josh Little. He did what he was supposed to. He put his duty towards his national team head of money. And I really like that decision from him. I know it did not matter too much in the end because they could not win any matches. But I would still say that he did the right thing.

Actually you are wrong, what Little did was brilliant. Ireland is an upcoming team in cricket. Little might be the only player from Ireland playing in IPL. He got recognised in IPL because of his team. He just securing his berth and at the same time ensuring his seat as the next captain of Irish team.

Andrew Balbirnie is 32 year old with zero hopes of getting a place in IPL at the moment. He will retire in a few years or might get removed as a Captain after the WC, if they qualify or before the WC if they do no qualify. The next player that might get a chance is Little. Why? Because of IPL, his performance and his commitment to his team.

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