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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 15, 2023, 02:17:17 AM

We had debate on this topic manytimes. Can't expect anything good unless the current pig-4 system is removed. Right now Greg Barclay is the chairman of the ICC and he is a businessman with no experience in cricket. When people with no links to cricket are taking decisions, you can't really expect them to keep the health of the sport in mind. They only care about money. And countries such as UAE and USA are big markets, where the ICC believes that it is possible to earn good revenues. Nepal and Namibia are given much lower priority.

I think what ICC is doing is better for cricket and good for its revenue. They should focus more on Europe and US. They have already penetrated a larger portion of Europe and now it is time to penetrate the US. Middle East country have a lot of oil money but they know they cannot sustain it for long therefore they are venturing into sports tourism.

There are other deserving countries that do not have big economy but eventually in time they would be part of the big league through their players skills.

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Quote from: BobK71 on April 15, 2023, 02:00:33 AM

ICC should remove such behavior. Economically small cricket loving countries are not able to fulfill themselves in cricket if the ICC retreats without extending a hand of cooperation, after a certain period of time cricket in these countries will be forced to die. Although ICC is an organization in the name of protecting cricket, they will be a big obstacle for cricket because of their hostile attitude towards small countries.

We had debate on this topic manytimes. Can't expect anything good unless the current pig-4 system is removed. Right now Greg Barclay is the chairman of the ICC and he is a businessman with no experience in cricket. When people with no links to cricket are taking decisions, you can't really expect them to keep the health of the sport in mind. They only care about money. And countries such as UAE and USA are big markets, where the ICC believes that it is possible to earn good revenues. Nepal and Namibia are given much lower priority.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 14, 2023, 08:35:20 PM

Quote from: MusaPk on April 14, 2023, 05:13:35 AM

In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

Teams like Nepal, Papua New Guinea and Namibia are all cricket crazy nations. Football is also popular in Nepal, however as the no.1 sport cricket is far ahead of others. The reason why Nepal is not as cricket crazy as India may be due to the fact that they always have to deal with harsh treatment from the ICC. The ICC put so many obstacles to their funding and entry to major cricket tournaments, as they only support rich teams such as the UAE and USA. And despite being a neighboring country, the BCCI has never spent a penny to support cricket in Nepal. The only test playing nation who has supported cricket in Nepal is Pakistan.

ICC should remove such behavior. Economically small cricket loving countries are not able to fulfill themselves in cricket if the ICC retreats without extending a hand of cooperation, after a certain period of time cricket in these countries will be forced to die. Although ICC is an organization in the name of protecting cricket, they will be a big obstacle for cricket because of their hostile attitude towards small countries.

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Quote from: MusaPk on April 14, 2023, 05:13:35 AM

In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

Teams like Nepal, Papua New Guinea and Namibia are all cricket crazy nations. Football is also popular in Nepal, however as the no.1 sport cricket is far ahead of others. The reason why Nepal is not as cricket crazy as India may be due to the fact that they always have to deal with harsh treatment from the ICC. The ICC put so many obstacles to their funding and entry to major cricket tournaments, as they only support rich teams such as the UAE and USA. And despite being a neighboring country, the BCCI has never spent a penny to support cricket in Nepal. The only test playing nation who has supported cricket in Nepal is Pakistan.

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In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

Recently we have good development in Nepal about cricket but sadly still this is not enough for having quick results like we have in the UAE and USA because they are not rich like them, so things can bring changes but not significantly this will take time, and we can hope Nepal will be improved their quality in T20i which will bring them to better place in near future.
Recently we have the good number of matches in Kirtipur Cricket Stadium and fans were exciting about this which is also good sign for them sadly no big board in subcontinent is going ahead for the giving them better support but still they can alone win this fight which will help them for having their part in this game in near future.

Nepal has shown good improvements recently. But of course, they will have to prove themselves against bigger opponents. The only way to get recognized all around the world is to beat opponents who are better.

One example I can think of is Bangladesh. At first, they were not good enough to date anyone except Zimbabwe and Kenya. But they started getting some victories here and there against bigger opponents like Australia, England, India, and also South Africa. After that, they got the taste of victory. The main thing is, Bangladesh always tried to improve themselves. The same thing should be done by Nepal. It will also have to be as consistent as they can be.

Currently, Nepal has progressed tremendously in cricket. Their style of play has also garnered much praise. However, it is true that if a team wants to come into the limelight, then if they beat a big opponent, they can quickly turn the attention of the international arena towards them. A win against Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or Afghanistan will get the support of the crowd very quickly. Since their team is consisted with foreign players I believe they can do it. But they may have to wait a little longer for that. More experience is required for showing such performance.

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Quote from: MusaPk on April 14, 2023, 05:13:35 AM

In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

Recently we have good development in Nepal about cricket but sadly still this is not enough for having quick results like we have in the UAE and USA because they are not rich like them, so things can bring changes but not significantly this will take time, and we can hope Nepal will be improved their quality in T20i which will bring them to better place in near future.
Recently we have the good number of matches in Kirtipur Cricket Stadium and fans were exciting about this which is also good sign for them sadly no big board in subcontinent is going ahead for the giving them better support but still they can alone win this fight which will help them for having their part in this game in near future.

Nepal has shown good improvements recently. But of course, they will have to prove themselves against bigger opponents. The only way to get recognized all around the world is to beat opponents who are better.

One example I can think of is Bangladesh. At first, they were not good enough to date anyone except Zimbabwe and Kenya. But they started getting some victories here and there against bigger opponents like Australia, England, India, and also South Africa. After that, they got the taste of victory. The main thing is, Bangladesh always tried to improve themselves. The same thing should be done by Nepal. It will also have to be as consistent as they can be.

That's true Bangladesh is an example for all the associate teams like hoe to improve themselves and make your name among strongest teams .
They have evolved in top cricket horizon and have beaten all strong teams , they are more confident now for their bright future.
Nepal is another team who have emerged in cricket world , now looking forward to their performances in ODI matches.

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Quote from: MusaPk on April 14, 2023, 05:13:35 AM

In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

Recently we have good development in Nepal about cricket but sadly still this is not enough for having quick results like we have in the UAE and USA because they are not rich like them, so things can bring changes but not significantly this will take time, and we can hope Nepal will be improved their quality in T20i which will bring them to better place in near future.
Recently we have the good number of matches in Kirtipur Cricket Stadium and fans were exciting about this which is also good sign for them sadly no big board in subcontinent is going ahead for the giving them better support but still they can alone win this fight which will help them for having their part in this game in near future.

Nepal has shown good improvements recently. But of course, they will have to prove themselves against bigger opponents. The only way to get recognized all around the world is to beat opponents who are better.

One example I can think of is Bangladesh. At first, they were not good enough to date anyone except Zimbabwe and Kenya. But they started getting some victories here and there against bigger opponents like Australia, England, India, and also South Africa. After that, they got the taste of victory. The main thing is, Bangladesh always tried to improve themselves. The same thing should be done by Nepal. It will also have to be as consistent as they can be.

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Quote from: MusaPk on April 14, 2023, 05:13:35 AM

In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

Recently we have good development in Nepal about cricket but sadly still this is not enough for having quick results like we have in the UAE and USA because they are not rich like them, so things can bring changes but not significantly this will take time, and we can hope Nepal will be improved their quality in T20i which will bring them to better place in near future.

Recently we have the good number of matches in Kirtipur Cricket Stadium and fans were exciting about this which is also good sign for them sadly no big board in subcontinent is going ahead for the giving them better support but still they can alone win this fight which will help them for having their part in this game in near future.

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Qatar atleast has 60% native players and remaining 40% are expats but still have the nationality. That's not the case with cricket, if you see teams of UAE then there is no local player as all are either from Pakistan or India. The downside of this approach is that nations that are passionate about cricket are suffering alot like Nepal. ICC has no objection on such team of expats which mean they will continue to have team like this.

Arabs are crazy about football and least interested in cricket. Whereas the ex-pats working and living in the middle east are least bothered about football but are crazy about cricket. So the government in these countries was already making money from soccer and now they have started doing the same for cricket. In a decade you might see some countries hosting the T20 world cup.

Nepal is not a nation where cricket is played more they are also crazy about soccer. Football has penetration at the school level and if they want cricket to thrive they need to work on some basics. Otherwise they have the option to always buy players for their national team.

In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

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Quote from: MusaPk on April 13, 2023, 06:17:26 PM

Qatar atleast has 60% native players and remaining 40% are expats but still have the nationality. That's not the case with cricket, if you see teams of UAE then there is no local player as all are either from Pakistan or India. The downside of this approach is that nations that are passionate about cricket are suffering alot like Nepal. ICC has no objection on such team of expats which mean they will continue to have team like this.

Arabs are crazy about football and least interested in cricket. Whereas the ex-pats working and living in the middle east are least bothered about football but are crazy about cricket. So the government in these countries was already making money from soccer and now they have started doing the same for cricket. In a decade you might see some countries hosting the T20 world cup.

Nepal is not a nation where cricket is played more they are also crazy about soccer. Football has penetration at the school level and if they want cricket to thrive they need to work on some basics. Otherwise they have the option to always buy players for their national team.

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Quote from: MusaPk on April 13, 2023, 06:17:26 PM

Qatar atleast has 60% native players and remaining 40% are expats but still have the nationality. That's not the case with cricket, if you see teams of UAE then there is no local player as all are either from Pakistan or India. The downside of this approach is that nations that are passionate about cricket are suffering alot like Nepal. ICC has no objection on such team of expats which mean they will continue to have team like this.

Yes that's right ICC has no restrictions about the team players. Anyone can play but I think they should have nationality of this country. By the way this is not a big deal for a country to give nationality to a particular person which is really good for her county. And any country can choose beet players around the world but it will be a difficult work therefore they try to find from its own country.

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Even in their football and Olympic teams, they include a lot of expats. But the difference is that the FIFA and IOC rules force them to provide citizenship to these players first, before including them in the team. A perfect example is that of Qatar team in the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Around 40% of the players were expats (with Qatari citizenship, like Ró-Ró from Cabo Verde, Mohammed Muntari from Ghana and Almoez Ali from Sudan) and some 60% were natives. ICC doesn't have any such restrictions, and therefore they can include whomever they want.

Qatar atleast has 60% native players and remaining 40% are expats but still have the nationality. That's not the case with cricket, if you see teams of UAE then there is no local player as all are either from Pakistan or India. The downside of this approach is that nations that are passionate about cricket are suffering alot like Nepal. ICC has no objection on such team of expats which mean they will continue to have team like this.

We should understand one thing, it isn't mandatory for every sports to have similar rule. ICC as the governing body for cricket have framed its own rules and regulations, same as what FIFA have done for football. When you go in depth it is possible to see certain rules in FIFA favourable for specific part of the world. It is wrong to compare the rules framed by ICC with FIFA.

ICC haven't strict the rule to have native players or to prove the identity as countries involvement into cricket is low. Over the years when more teams gets in, ICC may change the rule or it is upto the country to restrict only the natives to play on the national team.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 13, 2023, 06:58:55 AM

Even in their football and Olympic teams, they include a lot of expats. But the difference is that the FIFA and IOC rules force them to provide citizenship to these players first, before including them in the team. A perfect example is that of Qatar team in the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Around 40% of the players were expats (with Qatari citizenship, like Ró-Ró from Cabo Verde, Mohammed Muntari from Ghana and Almoez Ali from Sudan) and some 60% were natives. ICC doesn't have any such restrictions, and therefore they can include whomever they want.

Qatar atleast has 60% native players and remaining 40% are expats but still have the nationality. That's not the case with cricket, if you see teams of UAE then there is no local player as all are either from Pakistan or India. The downside of this approach is that nations that are passionate about cricket are suffering alot like Nepal. ICC has no objection on such team of expats which mean they will continue to have team like this.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 13, 2023, 08:19:25 AM

Quote from: elevates on April 13, 2023, 07:18:34 AM

ICC has just started expanding remember. Both FIFA & IOC have been in existence before ICC. When you are comparing always compare with due diligence. This is how you penetrate and make money and then go to poor countries. This is how you increase reach and develop talent. Why you are always blaming ICC. Most poor countries are so corrupt that ICC might think twice about them.

Just look at the condition of PCB. From top to bottom everyone in PCB is corrupt. A whole nation falling appart and they still think they are Chaudries of Cricket. Srilanka, Bangladesh are same in that matter, GDP is down but corruption is high. I won't fully agree with ICC but I won't deny that they are doing the right thing.

That is not correct. The International Cricket Council (ICC) is one of the oldest sports bodies, being formed in 1909 (back then it was known as the Imperial Cricket Conference). Many of the test and associate members have been part of the ICC for many decades. Teams like Fiji, Bermuda, Denmark and Netherlands have been ICC members for more than half a century, although they recently expanded to countries such as Afghanistan, Iran and Indonesia. FIFA was in a similar situation half a century back. But they managed to expand their sport to many countries around the world. The ICC has been largely unsuccessful in expanding cricket.

Cannot argue with you as you do not read what I wrote. Was ICC famous or rich in those days? Is it now? If you compare those two boards. Please do not reply before understanding what I wrote.

Now rephrasing, what I said earlier in which was on ICC is trying to grow and get new countries. They have a few countries that are active on all three formats. They need more to follow them. They found an easy way. They are using it. Thanks.

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Quote from: elevates on April 13, 2023, 07:18:34 AM

ICC has just started expanding remember. Both FIFA & IOC have been in existence before ICC. When you are comparing always compare with due diligence. This is how you penetrate and make money and then go to poor countries. This is how you increase reach and develop talent. Why you are always blaming ICC. Most poor countries are so corrupt that ICC might think twice about them.

Just look at the condition of PCB. From top to bottom everyone in PCB is corrupt. A whole nation falling appart and they still think they are Chaudries of Cricket. Srilanka, Bangladesh are same in that matter, GDP is down but corruption is high. I won't fully agree with ICC but I won't deny that they are doing the right thing.

That is not correct. The International Cricket Council (ICC) is one of the oldest sports bodies, being formed in 1909 (back then it was known as the Imperial Cricket Conference). Many of the test and associate members have been part of the ICC for many decades. Teams like Fiji, Bermuda, Denmark and Netherlands have been ICC members for more than half a century, although they recently expanded to countries such as Afghanistan, Iran and Indonesia. FIFA was in a similar situation half a century back. But they managed to expand their sport to many countries around the world. The ICC has been largely unsuccessful in expanding cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 13, 2023, 06:58:55 AM

Even in their football and Olympic teams, they include a lot of expats. But the difference is that the FIFA and IOC rules force them to provide citizenship to these players first, before including them in the team. A perfect example is that of Qatar team in the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Around 40% of the players were expats (with Qatari citizenship, like Ró-Ró from Cabo Verde, Mohammed Muntari from Ghana and Almoez Ali from Sudan) and some 60% were natives. ICC doesn't have any such restrictions, and therefore they can include whomever they want.

ICC has just started expanding remember. Both FIFA & IOC have been in existence before ICC. When you are comparing always compare with due diligence. This is how you penetrate and make money and then go to poor countries. This is how you increase reach and develop talent. Why you are always blaming ICC. Most poor countries are so corrupt that ICC might think twice about them.

Just look at the condition of PCB. From top to bottom everyone in PCB is corrupt. A whole nation falling appart and they still think they are Chaudries of Cricket. Srilanka, Bangladesh are same in that matter, GDP is down but corruption is high. I won't fully agree with ICC but I won't deny that they are doing the right thing.

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Quote from: elevates on April 13, 2023, 05:58:17 AM

UAE and Oman are ruled by Arabs but are run by immigrants from South Asia. The same applies to cricket. In simple when you can buy players, why invest in local players? Obviously buying players is cheaper than developing talent through investment. I guess this step by ICC is being driven due to the amount of South Asian Expats in those countries.

Even in their football and Olympic teams, they include a lot of expats. But the difference is that the FIFA and IOC rules force them to provide citizenship to these players first, before including them in the team. A perfect example is that of Qatar team in the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Around 40% of the players were expats (with Qatari citizenship, like Ró-Ró from Cabo Verde, Mohammed Muntari from Ghana and Almoez Ali from Sudan) and some 60% were natives. ICC doesn't have any such restrictions, and therefore they can include whomever they want.

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Quote from: Hallroom on April 13, 2023, 04:32:07 AM

This offer may be rejected by Pakistan as Pakistan is in constant rivalry with India. Earlier it was aimed to clash with India often in ODIs so it seems Pakistan will not make a mistake this second time around. Even if Pakistan accepts this proposal, then Pakistan will enter the BCCI with security. But I think it is better to accept this proposal of Pakistan.

ICC will consult both boards to get a mean way to impress these two boards. And will try to its best to make them satisfy on some points which will be agreed by these two boards. And soon the ICC will announce the solution. ICC has no more option means ICC can't expell any one team from these two teams. So we will wait for the better decision from ICC.

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Quote from: MusaPk on April 13, 2023, 05:48:17 AM

USA still has few native players or players of South Asian origin that are born in USA. That's why USA team is justified in some context, but look at teams of UAE and Oman there is no native player nor anyone is resident of these countries. In Gulf there is no interest in cricket and I don't know the reason why these countries have formed a team that is entirely made up of expats.

UAE and Oman are ruled by Arabs but are run by immigrants from South Asia. The same applies to cricket. In simple when you can buy players, why invest in local players? Obviously buying players is cheaper than developing talent through investment. I guess this step by ICC is being driven due to the amount of South Asian Expats in those countries.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 13, 2023, 05:13:53 AM

I am not even asking them to support native dominated teams. All they had to do was to take a neutral stance. But these shameless people want United Arab Emirates and United States of America in ICC tournaments at any cost. And this is not just limited to the 2023 ODI World Cup. What is the point in providing direct qualification to the United States for the 2024 T20 World Cup? They are hosting a couple of matches and therefore the ICC decided to provide them with direct qualification, at the cost of many promising associate teams.

USA still has few native players or players of South Asian origin that are born in USA. That's why USA team is justified in some context, but look at teams of UAE and Oman there is no native player nor anyone is resident of these countries. In Gulf there is no interest in cricket and I don't know the reason why these countries have formed a team that is entirely made up of expats.

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