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Quote from: Tony116 on October 16, 2022, 03:55:49 PM

But I don't think you are going to be able to get those kinds of players or even human beings, to be honest. If someone were to come to this post, he would likely think first about money before thinking about how to improve the board. It's just like any government that stays in power until they have looted enough of the nation. Additionally, I had a lot of positive thoughts about Ganguly, but those thoughts didn't turn out to be very accurate in the long run.

And honestly, if I am being blunt I really don't think anyone is willing to actually respect the first-class players or domestic players. At least not until they get paid a lot more than what they are being paid at the moment.

For the BCCI, money comes first nowadays. They just got an IPL deal worth $6 billion for 5-year period. That is more than 1 billion USD per year just from IPL itself. On top of that they receive funds from the ICC, sponsorship and also for the TV deal for international matches that are hosted in India. Their revenues have go up by 3-4 times in the last 5 years. And given the nature of politicians and businessmen in India, it would not surprise me if these guys rush to steal at least some of this huge amount.

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Quote from: wiss19 on October 16, 2022, 09:26:30 AM

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Whether it is Binny, Ganguly or a much younger person, things will happen same as what has happened before. There won't be much of changes as the prime focus is over revenue and not much on cricket. If they start building up the cricket we can talk of young one into administration. Here everything is based on money and not on the cricketing development.

I don't care whether it is Binny or Ganguly. I just want two things - there should be no match fixing going on (especially with IPL), and domestic players should be treated with respect. If Binny can ensure these two, then I am fine with his post. But overall, it was disappointing to witness the downfall of Sourav Ganguly. During the 90s, he was one of my favorite cricketers. And I always thought that he was shrewd and mature. When he became the president of the BCCI, I was expecting a lot from him. Anyway, no point in talking about these things now.

I am reading this all and also checking few updates related to these points with this all I believe now it's time for India to change their approach and have professional and old players into relative games which will help them to have better results even right now things are not favorable for them as political influence is at his best, and we have no chance of changing things into drastically but still if we need positive results and better quality then surely we have to change this all.

Binny or Ganguly is not matter but change of mindset and having better respect for players and their work for their welfare is also important because this will surely bring revolutionary changes with the sources available they can go to start from school levels as well which will be surely brought better view of knowledge and quality for next generation.

But I don't think you are going to be able to get those kinds of players or even human beings, to be honest. If someone were to come to this post, he would likely think first about money before thinking about how to improve the board. It's just like any government that stays in power until they have looted enough of the nation. Additionally, I had a lot of positive thoughts about Ganguly, but those thoughts didn't turn out to be very accurate in the long run.

And honestly, if I am being blunt I really don't think anyone is willing to actually respect the first-class players or domestic players. At least not until they get paid a lot more than what they are being paid at the moment.

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Quote from: Ayers on October 16, 2022, 02:55:57 PM

In addition, I also agree that you simply cannot find any candidate for the post of BCCI President who is politically neutral right now. It is very difficult to find people who are suitable for this job. So, I think if a person is politically influenced or not is the least of the worries for the BCCI. And anyone who is in line to be the President of BCCI right now is most likely to think about money first of all.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 16, 2022, 08:12:55 AM

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Yes, whoever comes to power will focus on money. But many people sell the place of morality to money. In that respect I think Ganguly was quite suitable. Cricket is heavily influenced by politics these days. As a reflection of which I see the sudden departure of Ganguly. Now a days, it is no longer possible to get all those positions without political influence.

Well, in South Asia, it is impossible to get someone elected to the cricket administrative body without political backing. And this has been the case for the past many decades. The last president of BCCI who had no political affiliation was perhaps Jagmohan Dalmiya. He was also a businessman, but he kept out of politics. The scenario changed when BCCI (and later the ICC) was taken over by the Srinivasan-Pawar mafia. Now there are no such neutral individuals available for BCCI posts. Even Ganguly is considered to be very close to the ruling party, although he has refused to join them formally.

He is obviously not intending to join them formally when he is the President of BCCI. Because that is obviously enough to make people unsure about his credibility right? And even though he did not join politics directly I think he has close connections to a lot of politicians.

In addition, I also agree that you simply cannot find any candidate for the post of BCCI President who is politically neutral right now. It is very difficult to find people who are suitable for this job. So, I think if a person is politically influenced or not is the least of the worries for the BCCI. And anyone who is in line to be the President of BCCI right now is most likely to think about money first of all.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 16, 2022, 08:12:55 AM

Quote from: GigaBit on October 15, 2022, 11:25:05 PM

Yes, whoever comes to power will focus on money. But many people sell the place of morality to money. In that respect I think Ganguly was quite suitable. Cricket is heavily influenced by politics these days. As a reflection of which I see the sudden departure of Ganguly. Now a days, it is no longer possible to get all those positions without political influence.

Well, in South Asia, it is impossible to get someone elected to the cricket administrative body without political backing. And this has been the case for the past many decades. The last president of BCCI who had no political affiliation was perhaps Jagmohan Dalmiya. He was also a businessman, but he kept out of politics. The scenario changed when BCCI (and later the ICC) was taken over by the Srinivasan-Pawar mafia. Now there are no such neutral individuals available for BCCI posts. Even Ganguly is considered to be very close to the ruling party, although he has refused to join them formally.

There may be several reasons for the infiltration of politics into cricket. One such is the financial aspect. The ruling party feels that if the cricket board does not have people supported by their government then it is a big threat for them. On the other hand, they feel that cricket boards perform public functions around the world and within countries where the government supporters are essential.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 15, 2022, 09:56:00 PM

Quote from: KennyR on October 15, 2022, 06:47:08 PM

Whether it is Binny, Ganguly or a much younger person, things will happen same as what has happened before. There won't be much of changes as the prime focus is over revenue and not much on cricket. If they start building up the cricket we can talk of young one into administration. Here everything is based on money and not on the cricketing development.

I don't care whether it is Binny or Ganguly. I just want two things - there should be no match fixing going on (especially with IPL), and domestic players should be treated with respect. If Binny can ensure these two, then I am fine with his post. But overall, it was disappointing to witness the downfall of Sourav Ganguly. During the 90s, he was one of my favorite cricketers. And I always thought that he was shrewd and mature. When he became the president of the BCCI, I was expecting a lot from him. Anyway, no point in talking about these things now.

I am reading this all and also checking few updates related to these points with this all I believe now it's time for India to change their approach and have professional and old players into relative games which will help them to have better results even right now things are not favorable for them as political influence is at his best, and we have no chance of changing things into drastically but still if we need positive results and better quality then surely we have to change this all.

Binny or Ganguly is not matter but change of mindset and having better respect for players and their work for their welfare is also important because this will surely bring revolutionary changes with the sources available they can go to start from school levels as well which will be surely brought better view of knowledge and quality for next generation.

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Quote from: GigaBit on October 15, 2022, 11:25:05 PM

Yes, whoever comes to power will focus on money. But many people sell the place of morality to money. In that respect I think Ganguly was quite suitable. Cricket is heavily influenced by politics these days. As a reflection of which I see the sudden departure of Ganguly. Now a days, it is no longer possible to get all those positions without political influence.

Well, in South Asia, it is impossible to get someone elected to the cricket administrative body without political backing. And this has been the case for the past many decades. The last president of BCCI who had no political affiliation was perhaps Jagmohan Dalmiya. He was also a businessman, but he kept out of politics. The scenario changed when BCCI (and later the ICC) was taken over by the Srinivasan-Pawar mafia. Now there are no such neutral individuals available for BCCI posts. Even Ganguly is considered to be very close to the ruling party, although he has refused to join them formally.

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Quote from: KennyR on October 15, 2022, 06:47:08 PM

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@Sithara007, you are quite a knowledgeable person on this forum. Your deep knowledge reveals that. I would like know your opinion on a topic. That is, What do you think about Roger Binny? how qualified he is replacing Ganguly in the Indian cricket board? and will Indian cricket get better or worse from Ganguly's departure?

Honestly I don't know much about Roger Binny. He has quite a lot of experience with cricket administration, as he worked as president of the Karnataka State Cricket Association (KSCA). The idea of Karnataka Premier League (KPL) can be partly attributed to him. Apart from that he was also a part of selection panel for the BCCI. He has also worked as a commentator and as a cricket expert for some of the news channels. However I have my reservations in replacing someone young such as Ganguly with an old horse like Binny.

Whether it is Binny, Ganguly or a much younger person, things will happen same as what has happened before. There won't be much of changes as the prime focus is over revenue and not much on cricket. If they start building up the cricket we can talk of young one into administration. Here everything is based on money and not on the cricketing development.

Yes, whoever comes to power will focus on money. But many people sell the place of morality to money. In that respect I think Ganguly was quite suitable. Cricket is heavily influenced by politics these days. As a reflection of which I see the sudden departure of Ganguly. Now a days, it is no longer possible to get all those positions without political influence.

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Quote from: KennyR on October 15, 2022, 06:47:08 PM

Whether it is Binny, Ganguly or a much younger person, things will happen same as what has happened before. There won't be much of changes as the prime focus is over revenue and not much on cricket. If they start building up the cricket we can talk of young one into administration. Here everything is based on money and not on the cricketing development.

I don't care whether it is Binny or Ganguly. I just want two things - there should be no match fixing going on (especially with IPL), and domestic players should be treated with respect. If Binny can ensure these two, then I am fine with his post. But overall, it was disappointing to witness the downfall of Sourav Ganguly. During the 90s, he was one of my favorite cricketers. And I always thought that he was shrewd and mature. When he became the president of the BCCI, I was expecting a lot from him. Anyway, no point in talking about these things now.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 15, 2022, 08:54:49 AM

Quote from: |MINER| on October 15, 2022, 08:22:03 AM

@Sithara007, you are quite a knowledgeable person on this forum. Your deep knowledge reveals that. I would like know your opinion on a topic. That is, What do you think about Roger Binny? how qualified he is replacing Ganguly in the Indian cricket board? and will Indian cricket get better or worse from Ganguly's departure?

Honestly I don't know much about Roger Binny. He has quite a lot of experience with cricket administration, as he worked as president of the Karnataka State Cricket Association (KSCA). The idea of Karnataka Premier League (KPL) can be partly attributed to him. Apart from that he was also a part of selection panel for the BCCI. He has also worked as a commentator and as a cricket expert for some of the news channels. However I have my reservations in replacing someone young such as Ganguly with an old horse like Binny.

Whether it is Binny, Ganguly or a much younger person, things will happen same as what has happened before. There won't be much of changes as the prime focus is over revenue and not much on cricket. If they start building up the cricket we can talk of young one into administration. Here everything is based on money and not on the cricketing development.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 15, 2022, 08:54:49 AM

Quote from: |MINER| on October 15, 2022, 08:22:03 AM

@Sithara007, you are quite a knowledgeable person on this forum. Your deep knowledge reveals that. I would like know your opinion on a topic. That is, What do you think about Roger Binny? how qualified he is replacing Ganguly in the Indian cricket board? and will Indian cricket get better or worse from Ganguly's departure?

Honestly I don't know much about Roger Binny. He has quite a lot of experience with cricket administration, as he worked as president of the Karnataka State Cricket Association (KSCA). The idea of Karnataka Premier League (KPL) can be partly attributed to him. Apart from that he was also a part of selection panel for the BCCI. He has also worked as a commentator and as a cricket expert for some of the news channels. However I have my reservations in replacing someone young such as Ganguly with an old horse like Binny.

I think it is going to be really difficult to say anything before we see the results. Right now it does feel like Ganguly is not better than Roger Binny. But it is too early to say anything. We have seen the worst of Ganguly. But we are yet to see that form of Binny. We know that Ganguly was a very talented player for India. But Binny, even though he has a lot of experience working around cricket in India, he was not an actual player. I have to admit that I'm not very positive about Binny. But at the same time, Ganguly did some things which lead us to believe that Binny might be an upgrade compared to Ganguly. Again I am not any kind of expert in anything, I am just presenting my opinion.

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Quote from: |MINER| on October 15, 2022, 08:22:03 AM

@Sithara007, you are quite a knowledgeable person on this forum. Your deep knowledge reveals that. I would like know your opinion on a topic. That is, What do you think about Roger Binny? how qualified he is replacing Ganguly in the Indian cricket board? and will Indian cricket get better or worse from Ganguly's departure?

Honestly I don't know much about Roger Binny. He has quite a lot of experience with cricket administration, as he worked as president of the Karnataka State Cricket Association (KSCA). The idea of Karnataka Premier League (KPL) can be partly attributed to him. Apart from that he was also a part of selection panel for the BCCI. He has also worked as a commentator and as a cricket expert for some of the news channels. However I have my reservations in replacing someone young such as Ganguly with an old horse like Binny.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 15, 2022, 07:33:43 AM

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You mean if Ganguly departs as bcci president then kohli will be fired too from indian squad? I don't think kohli form is of level to be part of Indian squad. He scored a century against Afghanistan recently after 2 years of break. But that century doesn't mean he is back in form.

Nope. You misunderstood me. Ganguly is someone who openly voiced his displeasure with Virat Kohli. And Kohli also responded to Ganguly in the same style. Although he was not very open about it, we all know that Kohli holds Ganguly primarily responsible for his ouster as the captain of the Indian team. In case Dhumal or some other politician succeeds Ganguly as the BCCI president, then in all probability Kohli can expect a more lenient treatment (although I am not sure whether that will do any good for the prospects of the Indian team).

@Sithara007, you are quite a knowledgeable person on this forum. Your deep knowledge reveals that. I would like know your opinion on a topic. That is, What do you think about Roger Binny? how qualified he is replacing Ganguly in the Indian cricket board? and will Indian cricket get better or worse from Ganguly's departure?

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Quote from: Naficopa on October 15, 2022, 02:11:21 AM

You mean if Ganguly departs as bcci president then kohli will be fired too from indian squad? I don't think kohli form is of level to be part of Indian squad. He scored a century against Afghanistan recently after 2 years of break. But that century doesn't mean he is back in form.

Nope. You misunderstood me. Ganguly is someone who openly voiced his displeasure with Virat Kohli. And Kohli also responded to Ganguly in the same style. Although he was not very open about it, we all know that Kohli holds Ganguly primarily responsible for his ouster as the captain of the Indian team. In case Dhumal or some other politician succeeds Ganguly as the BCCI president, then in all probability Kohli can expect a more lenient treatment (although I am not sure whether that will do any good for the prospects of the Indian team).

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 12, 2022, 12:56:57 PM

I am not surprised with the fact that South Africa was bowled out for just 99. I am surprised because they were facing a second string Indian squad. At least 7-8 main players were missing from the Indian XI and despite all that South Africa performed in such a pathetic manner. Bowlers such as Washington Sundar, Avesh Khan and Shahbaz Ahmed would struggle to get in to the India A squad, if the regular players such as Bumrah and Shami are available. And South Africa had heavyweights such as Janneman Malan, Quinton de Kock, Heinrich Klaasen and David Miller.

Well, That's due to home advantage. You may notice Bangladesh's home ground performance. Bangladesh Whitewashed New Zealand on their (Bangladesh) Home ground. They won plenty of matches on their home ground. They also defeated Australia, and England in test matches. When you play in your home ground. You have extra confidence and experience as well. Maximum-time visitors struggle. Exceptions happen too. This time England won consecutive matches against Australia in Australia.

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Kohli just need some rest to regain his form which he is not willing to take. There are many cases where players took break and came back strongly. Kohli is still young and has 4 to 5 years of cricket left. He should go back and play domestic cricket.

Everyone suffers from insecurity and Kohli is no exception to this. His main concern is that if he takes such a lengthy break and in case someone else is able to cement his place in that position, then there may not be a slot available for him in the playing XI when he returns after the break. Already younger players such as Shreyas Iyer, Surya Kumar Yadav and Ishan Kishan are fighting for their slots within the national team. But one thing that may work for Kohli is the departure of Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI president.

You mean if Ganguly departs as bcci president then kohli will be fired too from indian squad? I don't think kohli form is of level to be part of Indian squad. He scored a century against Afghanistan recently after 2 years of break. But that century doesn't mean he is back in form.

Kohli is yet to return to form. He is performing well in some matches. But Kohli is not playing well regularly. Kohli is indeed a talented player. But if he is not able to return to form, and if Kohli does not perform well in the next World Cup, then he will be dropped from the Indian squad. Indian management has given Kohli plenty of time to return to form. But even then Kohli continued his poor and erratic performances.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 14, 2022, 09:22:01 PM

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Kohli just need some rest to regain his form which he is not willing to take. There are many cases where players took break and came back strongly. Kohli is still young and has 4 to 5 years of cricket left. He should go back and play domestic cricket.

Everyone suffers from insecurity and Kohli is no exception to this. His main concern is that if he takes such a lengthy break and in case someone else is able to cement his place in that position, then there may not be a slot available for him in the playing XI when he returns after the break. Already younger players such as Shreyas Iyer, Surya Kumar Yadav and Ishan Kishan are fighting for their slots within the national team. But one thing that may work for Kohli is the departure of Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI president.

You mean if Ganguly departs as bcci president then kohli will be fired too from indian squad? I don't think kohli form is of level to be part of Indian squad. He scored a century against Afghanistan recently after 2 years of break. But that century doesn't mean he is back in form.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 14, 2022, 09:22:01 PM

Quote from: Naficopa on October 14, 2022, 05:50:00 AM

Kohli just need some rest to regain his form which he is not willing to take. There are many cases where players took break and came back strongly. Kohli is still young and has 4 to 5 years of cricket left. He should go back and play domestic cricket.

Everyone suffers from insecurity and Kohli is no exception to this. His main concern is that if he takes such a lengthy break and in case someone else is able to cement his place in that position, then there may not be a slot available for him in the playing XI when he returns after the break. Already younger players such as Shreyas Iyer, Surya Kumar Yadav and Ishan Kishan are fighting for their slots within the national team. But one thing that may work for Kohli is the departure of Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI president.

Yes, agree with you, if a player is out of the game for long time, he doesn't have an easy chance of getting into the team. It becomes even more difficult when they are good players competing for their slots. The chances that Kohli has got so far, I doubt if any other Indian cricketers has got so many chances like him. Besides Ganguly's departure could be a good opportunity? Yes, it is possible. Because when a new president comes, there may be some changes in his thinking. So kohli may get the opportunity.

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Quote from: Naficopa on October 14, 2022, 05:50:00 AM

Kohli just need some rest to regain his form which he is not willing to take. There are many cases where players took break and came back strongly. Kohli is still young and has 4 to 5 years of cricket left. He should go back and play domestic cricket.

Everyone suffers from insecurity and Kohli is no exception to this. His main concern is that if he takes such a lengthy break and in case someone else is able to cement his place in that position, then there may not be a slot available for him in the playing XI when he returns after the break. Already younger players such as Shreyas Iyer, Surya Kumar Yadav and Ishan Kishan are fighting for their slots within the national team. But one thing that may work for Kohli is the departure of Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI president.

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Quote from: |MINER| on October 13, 2022, 11:17:21 AM

Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli's contribution will never be forgotten by India Cricket. Even though Virat Kohli is in poor form now, he has a different character that the cricketing world has seen. His records are numerous. The number of his fans is not less. He has been repeatedly given the chance to be retained in the upcoming World Cup. But he has failed to bring back that form so far.

Kohli just need some rest to regain his form which he is not willing to take. There are many cases where players took break and came back strongly. Kohli is still young and has 4 to 5 years of cricket left. He should go back and play domestic cricket.

Right now as Indian team have their schedule they need some good number of players which help them for back like we have in last series which they won against South Africa because this is surely one of the best part for them if they are able to go with all three formats because they can afford this and this could be positive change for players which are surely right now burning with this schedule and fail to regain their form like we have Virat Kohli.

There is no doubt Virat Kohli is big player and having out of form for long time so here it's his right to have some long rest from game and join his team with fresh mind and positive change but greediness and poor management having no things like this, so now they are still worried about his form in T-20 World Cup which is surely vital if India wants to win this event.

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