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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 21, 2021, 10:34:07 PM

@Sithara007 the thing I’m interested to see is if the main player’s of these teams will travel to Pakistan or will they send their reserve player’s to play, but whichever happens it’s a positive step for Pakistan. Also you’re right I don’t think Asia cup is an important tournament now, and maybe it’ll be eventually scrapped due to less demand for it.

Doesn't matter whether there main players or reserve players come to Pakistan. The point is Aus team is coming to Pakistan and if CA is concerned about security of there players then they will not send there reserve players also. Since security of reserve players is equally important. If CA is coming to Pakistan then rest of countries will also come.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 21, 2021, 09:50:50 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 20, 2021, 02:40:47 AM

Bloody hell... That's some quality home season, good for Pakistani cricket and fans. Props to Rambo Ramiz for pushing the idea of playing at home only. Let's hope SENA countries avoid fucking up this one more time.

Asia Cup sounds tough but its very far.

SENA countries will find some excuse at the last moment. And forget about Asia Cup. It is a failed idea. I don't think that there will be anymore editions of this tournament. With so many franchise T20 tournaments and leagues, there is simply not enough time to block two weeks just for this one. I guess the future editions of the Asia cup will be U-23 or U-19 tournaments. Teams like India are having packed international calendar, and they won't be able to spare enough time for the preparation. It will signal the death of Asian Cricket Council as well.

CA seems usual suspect in all kind of fuckery. Last time they ditched South Africa and recently cancelled one off test against Afghanistan so i won't be surprise if they pull out more excuses before this tour or put pressure on PCB to play in UAE. I think PCB should stick to their guns and should demand of considering test series as forfeited by SENA countries, in case they don't want to visit Pakistan. Give all WTC points to Pakistan but ofc Rambo need to stand up for PCB.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 21, 2021, 09:50:50 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 20, 2021, 02:40:47 AM

Bloody hell... That's some quality home season, good for Pakistani cricket and fans. Props to Rambo Ramiz for pushing the idea of playing at home only. Let's hope SENA countries avoid fucking up this one more time.

Asia Cup sounds tough but its very far.

SENA countries will find some excuse at the last moment. And forget about Asia Cup. It is a failed idea. I don't think that there will be anymore editions of this tournament. With so many franchise T20 tournaments and leagues, there is simply not enough time to block two weeks just for this one. I guess the future editions of the Asia cup will be U-23 or U-19 tournaments. Teams like India are having packed international calendar, and they won't be able to spare enough time for the preparation. It will signal the death of Asian Cricket Council as well.

@Sithara007 the thing I’m interested to see is if the main player’s of these teams will travel to Pakistan or will they send their reserve player’s to play, but whichever happens it’s a positive step for Pakistan. Also you’re right I don’t think Asia cup is an important tournament now, and maybe it’ll be eventually scrapped due to less demand for it.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 20, 2021, 02:40:47 AM

Bloody hell... That's some quality home season, good for Pakistani cricket and fans. Props to Rambo Ramiz for pushing the idea of playing at home only. Let's hope SENA countries avoid fucking up this one more time.

Asia Cup sounds tough but its very far.

SENA countries will find some excuse at the last moment. And forget about Asia Cup. It is a failed idea. I don't think that there will be anymore editions of this tournament. With so many franchise T20 tournaments and leagues, there is simply not enough time to block two weeks just for this one. I guess the future editions of the Asia cup will be U-23 or U-19 tournaments. Teams like India are having packed international calendar, and they won't be able to spare enough time for the preparation. It will signal the death of Asian Cricket Council as well.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 20, 2021, 02:40:47 AM

Bloody hell... That's some quality home season, good for Pakistani cricket and fans. Props to Rambo Ramiz for pushing the idea of playing at home only. Let's hope SENA countries avoid fucking up this one more time.

Asia Cup sounds tough but its very far.

Ad is looking very good and if this all happened as plane, surely we are going to have some very good revival of cricket and other sports in Pakistan because now it's very long time we have no good news about sports win for Pakistan.
In last 2 decades we lost all good things which were on top like Hockey, Squash, Snooker and Volleyball. New peoples having offices with very professional approach is very good but still it's very long way to go because uncertainty is having big impact on this all.

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Bloody hell... That's some quality home season, good for Pakistani cricket and fans. Props to Rambo Ramiz for pushing the idea of playing at home only. Let's hope SENA countries avoid fucking up this one more time.

Asia Cup sounds tough but its very far.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on December 19, 2021, 01:32:37 PM

Aus tour is planned in Mar 2022, things will be cleared in few week whether they are touring Pakistan or not. This time Covid19 will be another concern apart from security. PCB has done everything that a board can do to bring cricket back but few boards are still not in favor of touring Pakistan, which is not good for cricket in the long run.

What is new with this? Teams have refused to tour Pakistan for almost two decades now, and it has nothing to do with COVID. When was the last time that the Indian team toured Pakistan? Ever since the ICC moved under the dominance of big-3, weaker boards like Pakistan have lost their relevance. After Shashank Manohar became the ICC head, there was some improvement. The voting structure was changed, in order to dilute the dominance of the big-3 boards. But I am yet to see any implications on ground.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on December 19, 2021, 01:32:37 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on December 18, 2021, 10:02:19 PM

Teams refusing to tour Pakistan is entirely another subject and I don't want to re-ignite the discussion on that topic. But if what you are claiming is true, then it is disappointing from the part of the PCB. This year, the PSL had to be stopped mid way. I was thinking that they would have learnt their lesson by then. If they made the same mistake again, as a result of their carelessness, then it is unpardonable. And these sort of mistakes should not be made at this time, especially when the Omicron strain is spreading.

Aus tour is planned in Mar 2022, things will be cleared in few week whether they are touring Pakistan or not. This time Covid19 will be another concern apart from security. PCB has done everything that a board can do to bring cricket back but few boards are still not in favor of touring Pakistan, which is not good for cricket in the long run.

I don't think Australia is coming in March 2022 because PCB is working on PSL7 which is going to hold in this month, so they will not do this and currently no one is sure about this tour because Australia is very complicated country in few things so if they will not visit Pakistan then surely they are not going to have any serious trouble because now after visit of West Indies they are feeling some better and now most work is going to PSL7 if they are able to handle this well then surely it's going to be good for them and other visiting teams they will feel better for visiting Pakistan.

Another thing is also possible that Australia will send very few Senior Players and some new players from A team because their few main players will also busy in IPL which is more important for them instead tour of Pakistan.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 18, 2021, 10:02:19 PM

Teams refusing to tour Pakistan is entirely another subject and I don't want to re-ignite the discussion on that topic. But if what you are claiming is true, then it is disappointing from the part of the PCB. This year, the PSL had to be stopped mid way. I was thinking that they would have learnt their lesson by then. If they made the same mistake again, as a result of their carelessness, then it is unpardonable. And these sort of mistakes should not be made at this time, especially when the Omicron strain is spreading.

Aus tour is planned in Mar 2022, things will be cleared in few week whether they are touring Pakistan or not. This time Covid19 will be another concern apart from security. PCB has done everything that a board can do to bring cricket back but few boards are still not in favor of touring Pakistan, which is not good for cricket in the long run.

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Right now biggest challenge is winning a series in South Africa which is possible with current team and performance but this need some good coordination between team and management.

BCCI, Indian team, Every critics of Indian cricket in India, Indian fans (Even salty ones) want team India to succeed in South Africa because we are still searching for our first test series win at their backyard. Our middle order struggling badly but i still think that we have fair chance of winning the series or at least compete against the hostile SA's bowlers.

Virtually no interest in ODI atm.

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Quote from: Emitdama on December 18, 2021, 02:44:50 PM

Here no one will agree with your statement that big boards will have excuse for not touring because we already have too many cases in recent time and all are playing usual with no excuse. If some player is breaking rules then management is giving him punishment because they all know about this, and it's not case of host country it's all done by their own because it's for their own safety for nothing else.

All countries having all facilities about tests and about handling these covid cases. Even now Pakistan is also doing much good for this because they also know how this is going to be problem for them if they fail to handle this properly.

Correct. Nobody understand importance of foreign team visiting there country other then PCB. They don't have any roam for any single mistake. Covid19 is complicated, no testing is 100% successful. The new variant is not detected on current testing kits. Players roam in different countries, they have more chances of getting covid19.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on December 18, 2021, 01:38:45 PM

Small boards may agree with your arguments but when it comes to big boards like Aus, NZ and England they have find another excuse of not to tour Pakistan. I do agree that WI players caught virus before coming to Pakistan but its responsibility to pcb to test all players coming in to stop the spread of virus. Seems like testing was not done.

Teams refusing to tour Pakistan is entirely another subject and I don't want to re-ignite the discussion on that topic. But if what you are claiming is true, then it is disappointing from the part of the PCB. This year, the PSL had to be stopped mid way. I was thinking that they would have learnt their lesson by then. If they made the same mistake again, as a result of their carelessness, then it is unpardonable. And these sort of mistakes should not be made at this time, especially when the Omicron strain is spreading.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on December 18, 2021, 01:38:45 PM

Small boards may agree with your arguments but when it comes to big boards like Aus, NZ and England they have find another excuse of not to tour Pakistan. I do agree that WI players caught virus before coming to Pakistan but its responsibility to pcb to test all players coming in to stop the spread of virus. Seems like testing was not done.

Here no one will agree with your statement that big boards will have excuse for not touring because we already have too many cases in recent time and all are playing usual with no excuse. If some player is breaking rules then management is giving him punishment because they all know about this, and it's not case of host country it's all done by their own because it's for their own safety for nothing else.

All countries having all facilities about tests and about handling these covid cases. Even now Pakistan is also doing much good for this because they also know how this is going to be problem for them if they fail to handle this properly.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 17, 2021, 08:48:09 PM

Quote from: blatchcorn on December 17, 2021, 03:26:35 PM

Covid came as a blessing for WI as they were whitewashed on T20 series and same was expected in ODI series. PCB will be satisfied since they were able to conduct international matches in Pakistan. WI players catching covid in Pakistan will be a set back for PCB as other team will show concern before touring Pakistan next time.

LOL.. that's an insane argument. West Indies players got COVID because they failed to adhere to the bio-bubble rules. What does the PCB has to do here? And this is not the first time that touring players have tested positive. For the Indian team, players have tested positive during the Sri Lankan and England tours. Now I am not sure why everyone is trying to blame the host nation here. And even the West Indies management hasn't complained about the security precautions provided by the Pakistanis.

Small boards may agree with your arguments but when it comes to big boards like Aus, NZ and England they have find another excuse of not to tour Pakistan. I do agree that WI players caught virus before coming to Pakistan but its responsibility to pcb to test all players coming in to stop the spread of virus. Seems like testing was not done.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on December 17, 2021, 04:13:04 PM

I am not agreed with you here about Covid is matter of concern for PCB or any other country as West Indies reach in Pakistan, and they have few players already have positive test, so they sent them in quarantine and after this during the twenty/20 series few more players and coaching staff have their test positive due to their breach of rules about this Covid-19.

We already have some very good number of cases happening in many countries and now in England many soccer matches are called off due to this, so it's not concern of one country or authority is already universal issue with some different ways. Hopefully now we will not have any shut down like we already have in the last few years.

If westindies players are catching covid19 and not Pakistan players this clearly means that its westindies players who are not following SOPs, since both teams are in same environment. Things won't shut down because of new variant Omicron, we need to embrace this virus and try to live with it.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 17, 2021, 08:48:09 PM

LOL.. that's an insane argument. West Indies players got COVID because they failed to adhere to the bio-bubble rules. What does the PCB has to do here? And this is not the first time that touring players have tested positive. For the Indian team, players have tested positive during the Sri Lankan and England tours. Now I am not sure why everyone is trying to blame the host nation here. And even the West Indies management hasn't complained about the security precautions provided by the Pakistanis.

Boards of WI, SL, SA and Pak must go together. They survival in today's big 3 dominated cricket is in unity. Its good to see countries touring Pakistan despite a complete boycott from big 3. WI board not complaining is a good gesture to already troubled PCB that is trying best to restore cricket in Pakistan.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on December 17, 2021, 04:58:52 PM

is a discussion going on regarding the surprise removal of Virat Kohli as a captain from ODI, when Mohammed Shami was attacked by the right wing political party against his performance against Pakistan, Virat Kohli voiced his opinion against attacking him when the entire team failed to perform and that was the downfall that culminated in his removal from captaincy.

What ever it may be the situation, i was expecting him to be removed as the T20 captain but not from ODI and even Virat Kohli was surprised by the BCCI decision.

Well I would say the historical defeat of India against Pakistan in recent T20 WC was primary reason why kohli was removed. He not only defended Shami but also Rohit Sharma who failed miserably in main matches of T20 WC. If he is removed only coz of defending Shami then its a matter of shame for BCCI.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on December 17, 2021, 03:26:35 PM

Covid came as a blessing for WI as they were whitewashed on T20 series and same was expected in ODI series. PCB will be satisfied since they were able to conduct international matches in Pakistan. WI players catching covid in Pakistan will be a set back for PCB as other team will show concern before touring Pakistan next time.

LOL.. that's an insane argument. West Indies players got COVID because they failed to adhere to the bio-bubble rules. What does the PCB has to do here? And this is not the first time that touring players have tested positive. For the Indian team, players have tested positive during the Sri Lankan and England tours. Now I am not sure why everyone is trying to blame the host nation here. And even the West Indies management hasn't complained about the security precautions provided by the Pakistanis.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on December 17, 2021, 03:26:35 PM

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 17, 2021, 04:33:15 AM

Well, the most awaited ODI series between Pakistan and West Indies has been postponed due to the outbreak of covid in the West Indies players.

Pakistan vs West Indies ODIs postponed to June 2022

Both teams will resume the series in June 2022 when it will be summer and hopefully, things will be much better at that time of the year.

That was supposed to happen because of the number of WI players getting infected due to this virus. I hope they are able to conclude the series as the situation is getting worse again because of the new variant. In any case I think the Pakistan team will win the ODI series too after seeing the worst performance by WI team in the T20 series.

Covid came as a blessing for WI as they were whitewashed on T20 series and same was expected in ODI series. PCB will be satisfied since they were able to conduct international matches in Pakistan. WI players catching covid in Pakistan will be a set back for PCB as other team will show concern before touring Pakistan next time.

Yeah, it did come as a blessing but we cannot deny that most of the WI team were tested positive and there were a few players left to play in this series. I do not think that they will be able to continue this series in the month of June next year as if you check the historical data of COVID those waves do come around this time in Southeast Asian countries. Already this new variant has started creating havoc in the European countries.

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Quote from: galambo on December 16, 2021, 04:20:31 AM

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T20 and ODI goes hand in hand, majority of teams have same captain for ODI and T20. As both formats are about fast cricket. If Rohit is named captain for T20 then its obvious he will lead ODI squad also. As far as Kohli is concerned, he is not treated well by BCCI. He must be taken into confidence before making such a decision.

There is a discussion going on regarding the surprise removal of Virat Kohli as a captain from ODI, when Mohammed Shami was attacked by the right wing political party against his performance against Pakistan, Virat Kohli voiced his opinion against attacking him when the entire team failed to perform and that was the downfall that culminated in his removal from captaincy.

What ever it may be the situation, i was expecting him to be removed as the T20 captain but not from ODI and even Virat Kohli was surprised by the BCCI decision.

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