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Quote from: savetheFORUM on December 05, 2021, 09:42:42 AM

Quote from: mm2543363580 on December 05, 2021, 12:58:13 AM

If countries continue to refuse to tour Pakistan as they are doing right now, I am sure Pakistanis will lose interest in cricket. You can see interest of Pakistanis in cricket from crowd in any match, not many come to see cricket in grounds. PSL is also not a success as most of international players are not coming to play in Pakistan.

Talking about this is useless because now PSL is having some good success many good players already involved and few announces about playing in this is already on record, so please stop this all it is matter of time all is going to be clear soon. They already have some good contracts about Television rights and now matches completely shifting in Pakistan is good signs for them.

Sadly peoples like you with sick mind still having problems about this all just wait for some more time you will watch how things are going in their favour because right now after IPL adding 2 more teams few players will feel not good about this even they have some good finances package, but they need some better way for their own sack as well so few players will join here in PSL instead of IPL work load is also having good help for them.

I really don't think that people disagree with going to Pakistan, for two hours is going to be certain that Pakistan is to play cricket. I mean that is not a thing for sure right? Pakistan is going to be a great cricket-playing nation or whether or not anyone admits it or not. The problem is that the media is trying to portray that most of the Muslim cricket-playing nations are basically terrorists. so people are also starting to believe that, even though maybe they don't want to.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on December 05, 2021, 09:42:42 AM

Talking about this is useless because now PSL is having some good success many good players already involved and few announces about playing in this is already on record, so please stop this all it is matter of time all is going to be clear soon. They already have some good contracts about Television rights and now matches completely shifting in Pakistan is good signs for them.

Sadly peoples like you with sick mind still having problems about this all just wait for some more time you will watch how things are going in their favour because right now after IPL adding 2 more teams few players will feel not good about this even they have some good finances package, but they need some better way for their own sack as well so few players will join here in PSL instead of IPL work load is also having good help for them.

It will be good news for Pakistan cricket fans that more foreign players are jumping in. Can you name anyone from Aus, NZ and England willing to play psl in Pakistan? I guess there won't be many. Ipl is much bigger industry then psl, so it's not a valid comparison. Pakistan need international cricket on there home ground ASAP

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on December 05, 2021, 12:58:13 AM

If countries continue to refuse to tour Pakistan as they are doing right now, I am sure Pakistanis will lose interest in cricket. You can see interest of Pakistanis in cricket from crowd in any match, not many come to see cricket in grounds. PSL is also not a success as most of international players are not coming to play in Pakistan.

Talking about this is useless because now PSL is having some good success many good players already involved and few announces about playing in this is already on record, so please stop this all it is matter of time all is going to be clear soon. They already have some good contracts about Television rights and now matches completely shifting in Pakistan is good signs for them.

Sadly peoples like you with sick mind still having problems about this all just wait for some more time you will watch how things are going in their favour because right now after IPL adding 2 more teams few players will feel not good about this even they have some good finances package, but they need some better way for their own sack as well so few players will join here in PSL instead of IPL work load is also having good help for them.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 04, 2021, 10:20:51 PM

Maybe South Africa, but definitely not Pakistan. I know how crazy Pakistanis are for cricket (same with Sri Lanka as well). It is the most popular sport, and that too by a big margin. Now they have established the PSL and it is attracting new fans as well. There is concern regarding the refusal of various teams to tour Pakistan, but that is applicable to all the sports and not just cricket. But I agree with you on South Africa. Rugby and Football are far more popular there, especially among the black population. On top of that, dozens of good players emigrate every year, to England, New Zealand, Australia and even to associate nations.

If countries continue to refuse to tour Pakistan as they are doing right now, I am sure Pakistanis will lose interest in cricket. You can see interest of Pakistanis in cricket from crowd in any match, not many come to see cricket in grounds. PSL is also not a success as most of international players are not coming to play in Pakistan.

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Quote from: perfect999 on December 04, 2021, 03:08:02 PM

In next few years surely we are going to lose some more in South Africa and in Pakistan which could be big concern for them.

Maybe South Africa, but definitely not Pakistan. I know how crazy Pakistanis are for cricket (same with Sri Lanka as well). It is the most popular sport, and that too by a big margin. Now they have established the PSL and it is attracting new fans as well. There is concern regarding the refusal of various teams to tour Pakistan, but that is applicable to all the sports and not just cricket. But I agree with you on South Africa. Rugby and Football are far more popular there, especially among the black population. On top of that, dozens of good players emigrate every year, to England, New Zealand, Australia and even to associate nations.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 04, 2021, 01:26:47 PM

Cricket is being reduced to a sport that is concentrated only in the sub-continent and among the sub-continental diaspora. You ask someone from USA, Russia, Brazil, Nigeria, China or Japan whether they have heard about cricket, and they would reply that it is an insect. Due to lack of support from the ICC, some of the associate nations which are having more than a hundred years of cricketing history are now vanishing from the cricket scene. I am talking about countries such as Denmark, Netherlands, Canada, Argentina and Kenya.

Agree with your statement even now cricket is not having good marketing in Australia and New Zealand because Rugby is taking very good place as I was watching a channel and Anchor was asking questions about cricket in Australia I was shocked there is no good knowledge even many no have idea about great cricketers from these countries.

This craze is available only in Sub-Continent so ICC feeling very happy with some good funds from these countries and enjoying luxuries without doing any good and positive marketing about this sport in Latino America which is also big market for this sport we are losing grounds in Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka and in West Indies.
In next few years surely we are going to lose some more in South Africa and in Pakistan which could be big concern for them.

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Quote from: og kush420 on December 04, 2021, 01:03:54 PM

If you google "popular sports in the world", you will find cricket among top 3 sports on almost all sites. If ICC is not interested in making cricket popular they why we already see cricket among worlds most popular games? With IPL taking place every year, cricketers are getting money equivalent to English premier leagues players.

Cricket is being reduced to a sport that is concentrated only in the sub-continent and among the sub-continental diaspora. You ask someone from USA, Russia, Brazil, Nigeria, China or Japan whether they have heard about cricket, and they would reply that it is an insect. Due to lack of support from the ICC, some of the associate nations which are having more than a hundred years of cricketing history are now vanishing from the cricket scene. I am talking about countries such as Denmark, Netherlands, Canada, Argentina and Kenya.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 04, 2021, 02:06:44 AM

Unlike the case with other sports bodies, the ICC doesn't want to popularize cricket. They believe that if more countries play cricket, then the dominance of big-3 may get negatively impacted. As a result they have reduced the participation of associate nations in ICC tournaments, and have changed the eligibility criteria for representing national sides. Back in 2007, we had 16 countries in the ODI world cup. And in 2023, we will be having just 10 countries. Even Kabaddi and Baseball world cups have greater number of teams.

If you google "popular sports in the world", you will find cricket among top 3 sports on almost all sites. If ICC is not interested in making cricket popular they why we already see cricket among worlds most popular games? With IPL taking place every year, cricketers are getting money equivalent to English premier leagues players.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 01, 2021, 09:14:05 AM

I think that ICC has the power and they can easily reach out to make cricket more famous to people. But the problem is well everything happens around money then a lot of good things are ignored because of some self-gain. I think you said it right that it is just a dream and it will remain in if ICC doesn't take bigger steps in my opinion.

Unlike the case with other sports bodies, the ICC doesn't want to popularize cricket. They believe that if more countries play cricket, then the dominance of big-3 may get negatively impacted. As a result they have reduced the participation of associate nations in ICC tournaments, and have changed the eligibility criteria for representing national sides. Back in 2007, we had 16 countries in the ODI world cup. And in 2023, we will be having just 10 countries. Even Kabaddi and Baseball world cups have greater number of teams.

Cricket is a game that is already not so much popular in the world and if ICC also tries to make it less popular, then obviously I think we are stuck with these 10 to 15 teams in cricket for a long time. Where is the fun in having less competition? I really don't agree with these types of things and I think people would too.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 04, 2021, 02:06:44 AM

Unlike the case with other sports bodies, the ICC doesn't want to popularize cricket. They believe that if more countries play cricket, then the dominance of big-3 may get negatively impacted. As a result they have reduced the participation of associate nations in ICC tournaments, and have changed the eligibility criteria for representing national sides. Back in 2007, we had 16 countries in the ODI world cup. And in 2023, we will be having just 10 countries. Even Kabaddi and Baseball world cups have greater number of teams.

So it's big 3 that don't want more countries to check in using the ICC cover. Through T20 more countries can be included in cricket ecosystem, its a good opportunity. Through test n odi cricket won't find its way to more nation. Cricket needs more countries otherwise it won't get popularity.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 01, 2021, 09:14:05 AM

I think that ICC has the power and they can easily reach out to make cricket more famous to people. But the problem is well everything happens around money then a lot of good things are ignored because of some self-gain. I think you said it right that it is just a dream and it will remain in if ICC doesn't take bigger steps in my opinion.

Unlike the case with other sports bodies, the ICC doesn't want to popularize cricket. They believe that if more countries play cricket, then the dominance of big-3 may get negatively impacted. As a result they have reduced the participation of associate nations in ICC tournaments, and have changed the eligibility criteria for representing national sides. Back in 2007, we had 16 countries in the ODI world cup. And in 2023, we will be having just 10 countries. Even Kabaddi and Baseball world cups have greater number of teams.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on December 02, 2021, 12:36:32 PM

Woman cricket is boring I say. Nobody want to see it, lets accept the fact. England and Australia are promoting woman cricket since there community may have some interest woman cricket. Other then that I dont think any country has interest in woman cricket. Also its not necessary that whatever men do woman must also do that.

Allocate IPL level money and coverage for Woman IPL and see how interesting it will be. We live in male dominated society that's why not many boards are willing to allocate funds for woman leagues, lets accept that as well. I watched woman T20 if its on TV but most of the times channels are not willing to cover it.

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Quote from: Maidak on December 01, 2021, 10:22:09 AM

@Juggy777, ICC does not have the power to in force but they do have the power of suggestion and if they did make women's cricket popular enough and maybe make it more appealing to peopleside then maybe almost every board would have thought about it.

ICC has powers but only in front of weak boards not in front of big-3. Recently they threat Afghanistan cricket board that they will cancel there membership if womans are not allowed to play in Afghanistan. The new regime in Afghanistan ensured that woman's are free to play cricket in Afghanistan, on that ICC resumed membership of Afghan cricket. Of course ICC cant force BCCI for woman IPL since BCCI is one step above ICC.

Woman cricket is boring I say. Nobody want to see it, lets accept the fact. England and Australia are promoting woman cricket since there community may have some interest woman cricket. Other then that I dont think any country has interest in woman cricket. Also its not necessary that whatever men do woman must also do that.

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Quote from: Maidak on December 01, 2021, 10:22:09 AM

@Juggy777, ICC does not have the power to in force but they do have the power of suggestion and if they did make women's cricket popular enough and maybe make it more appealing to peopleside then maybe almost every board would have thought about it.

ICC has powers but only in front of weak boards not in front of big-3. Recently they threat Afghanistan cricket board that they will cancel there membership if womans are not allowed to play in Afghanistan. The new regime in Afghanistan ensured that woman's are free to play cricket in Afghanistan, on that ICC resumed membership of Afghan cricket. Of course ICC cant force BCCI for woman IPL since BCCI is one step above ICC.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 01, 2021, 09:14:05 AM

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Quote from: Maidak on November 30, 2021, 11:55:37 AM

I don't know if ICC is willing to take that initial loss of 5 years. But in my opinion, it is not going to be that long and the sport is going to be much more popular before that if necessary steps are taken and bringing in more international team are not neglected. But the thing is if you have to do something you have to sacrifice something. But the question is are they willing to do that?

It's not all about ICC because they can't force any board for doing things like this it's need some fair and love for game big three can start few things which bring good funds, and then they provide funds for small boards to start leagues or small tournaments for women cricket which could be more helpful for all parties but sadly right now we have greediness of money which is preventing things to do for game mostly things happening for personal profit.
If ICC have power then surely they can use this like UEFA and then this game has some better future and more adoption in many countries, but it's never going to happen it's just dream which is ruined by very few people's personal ego. Currently, just England and Australia can afford this luxury, so they will take good advantage in future as well.

I believe we all can agree that ICC has no such power to ask a country’s board to start a woman’s league, however they can try and cut a small window for such a league when there’s no international match taking place. Also BCCI will opt for it if they see good money right from the start, but post the pandemic I’m not sure they’ll like to take a risk right away and start this league, hence it may take a year or two before they get serious about WIPL.

I think that ICC has the power and they can easily reach out to make cricket more famous to people. But the problem is well everything happens around money then a lot of good things are ignored because of some self-gain. I think you said it right that it is just a dream and it will remain in if ICC doesn't take bigger steps in my opinion.

@Juggy777, ICC does not have the power to in force but they do have the power of suggestion and if they did make women's cricket popular enough and maybe make it more appealing to peopleside then maybe almost every board would have thought about it.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 01, 2021, 01:40:33 AM

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Quote from: Maidak on November 30, 2021, 11:55:37 AM

I don't know if ICC is willing to take that initial loss of 5 years. But in my opinion, it is not going to be that long and the sport is going to be much more popular before that if necessary steps are taken and bringing in more international team are not neglected. But the thing is if you have to do something you have to sacrifice something. But the question is are they willing to do that?

It's not all about ICC because they can't force any board for doing things like this it's need some fair and love for game big three can start few things which bring good funds, and then they provide funds for small boards to start leagues or small tournaments for women cricket which could be more helpful for all parties but sadly right now we have greediness of money which is preventing things to do for game mostly things happening for personal profit.
If ICC have power then surely they can use this like UEFA and then this game has some better future and more adoption in many countries, but it's never going to happen it's just dream which is ruined by very few people's personal ego. Currently, just England and Australia can afford this luxury, so they will take good advantage in future as well.

I believe we all can agree that ICC has no such power to ask a country’s board to start a woman’s league, however they can try and cut a small window for such a league when there’s no international match taking place. Also BCCI will opt for it if they see good money right from the start, but post the pandemic I’m not sure they’ll like to take a risk right away and start this league, hence it may take a year or two before they get serious about WIPL.

I think that ICC has the power and they can easily reach out to make cricket more famous to people. But the problem is well everything happens around money then a lot of good things are ignored because of some self-gain. I think you said it right that it is just a dream and it will remain in if ICC doesn't take bigger steps in my opinion.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 01, 2021, 01:52:41 AM

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Quote from: Minecache on November 29, 2021, 05:42:33 AM

I have to absolutely agree with you on this one because there is no reason why this can't be done, and we also know that BCCI is not doing that. you know, they are getting really good enough money from the IPL and why do something that might jeopardize the money. Maybe in the distant future where IPL will lose its traction, then maybe they will think about doing something like that in my opinion.

Australia and England are promoting woman cricket since they have interest of people in woman cricket, they have funds and its there state policy to include woman in every aspect of life. Other countries don't have or dont follow these parameters. Other boards are more concerned about money so they wont invest any penny from there pocket for woman leagues.

I do not think in India people are interested in watching women cricket. If there is any domestic women cricket tournament then there is hardly any media coverage. Some international tournament do get the coverage. The media knows there less to no viewership. Women themselves I guess donot watch, how can then BCCI start a WIPL. BCCI only wants to invest in
domains where they know they will generate revenue.

Yes, that is true but the problem is at first that is not going to generate very good revenue. Because cricket itself is not so much popular in a lot of countries let alone women's cricket. I do understand I am not interested in something they might not get any return from but that will change in the future and I think they should think about it.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 01, 2021, 01:52:41 AM

Quote from: og kush420 on November 29, 2021, 01:47:27 PM

Quote from: Minecache on November 29, 2021, 05:42:33 AM

I have to absolutely agree with you on this one because there is no reason why this can't be done, and we also know that BCCI is not doing that. you know, they are getting really good enough money from the IPL and why do something that might jeopardize the money. Maybe in the distant future where IPL will lose its traction, then maybe they will think about doing something like that in my opinion.

Australia and England are promoting woman cricket since they have interest of people in woman cricket, they have funds and its there state policy to include woman in every aspect of life. Other countries don't have or dont follow these parameters. Other boards are more concerned about money so they wont invest any penny from there pocket for woman leagues.

I do not think in India people are interested in watching women cricket. If there is any domestic women cricket tournament then there is hardly any media coverage. Some international tournament do get the coverage. The media knows there less to no viewership. Women themselves I guess donot watch, how can then BCCI start a WIPL. BCCI only wants to invest in
domains where they know they will generate revenue.

Women IPL will be a complete failure. No one see the woman international cricket matches and you will find no audience for women IPL.
Secondly, there is not much match talent in woman to play the game and hence it will be hard to make 4 to 6 six teams with Indian woman cricketers.

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Quote from: og kush420 on November 29, 2021, 01:47:27 PM

Quote from: Minecache on November 29, 2021, 05:42:33 AM

I have to absolutely agree with you on this one because there is no reason why this can't be done, and we also know that BCCI is not doing that. you know, they are getting really good enough money from the IPL and why do something that might jeopardize the money. Maybe in the distant future where IPL will lose its traction, then maybe they will think about doing something like that in my opinion.

Australia and England are promoting woman cricket since they have interest of people in woman cricket, they have funds and its there state policy to include woman in every aspect of life. Other countries don't have or dont follow these parameters. Other boards are more concerned about money so they wont invest any penny from there pocket for woman leagues.

I do not think in India people are interested in watching women cricket. If there is any domestic women cricket tournament then there is hardly any media coverage. Some international tournament do get the coverage. The media knows there less to no viewership. Women themselves I guess donot watch, how can then BCCI start a WIPL. BCCI only wants to invest in
domains where they know they will generate revenue.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 29, 2021, 09:46:23 PM

Well... I have said this before. Returns should not be the sole concern. If the BCCI start a WIPL, in all probability the franchises will be in loss for the initial few years. But it will go a long way in popularizing women's sport and within 5 or 10 years, I am sure that the new league will return profits. Look at the Women's Hundred and the WBBL. When these leagues were started, the board suffered huge losses. But now they are net revenue earners, both for the cricket board and for the franchise owners.

Don't invest as much as you are investing in men ipl, just invest 10% of what you invest in men ipl. It's a long process and will take time and board must not carry that loss for long term but atleast start the journey with small capital. If bcci is not interested then forget about other boards to take some initiative.

The main concern for BCCI is that the WIPL will dilute the men's tournament. They believe that the WIPL can poach at least some viewers from the IPL. And more importantly, some of the sponsors and advertisers may opt for the WIPL. This argument is basically flawed, if you look at what happened with the WBBL/BBL. But in the end, a lot depends on what the BCCI and the franchise owners think about the women's game. For them, the women's league is of a lower priority, even if there is enough interest in the market.

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Quote from: Maidak on November 30, 2021, 11:55:37 AM

I don't know if ICC is willing to take that initial loss of 5 years. But in my opinion, it is not going to be that long and the sport is going to be much more popular before that if necessary steps are taken and bringing in more international team are not neglected. But the thing is if you have to do something you have to sacrifice something. But the question is are they willing to do that?

It's not all about ICC because they can't force any board for doing things like this it's need some fair and love for game big three can start few things which bring good funds, and then they provide funds for small boards to start leagues or small tournaments for women cricket which could be more helpful for all parties but sadly right now we have greediness of money which is preventing things to do for game mostly things happening for personal profit.

If ICC have power then surely they can use this like UEFA and then this game has some better future and more adoption in many countries, but it's never going to happen it's just dream which is ruined by very few people's personal ego. Currently, just England and Australia can afford this luxury, so they will take good advantage in future as well.

I believe we all can agree that ICC has no such power to ask a country’s board to start a woman’s league, however they can try and cut a small window for such a league when there’s no international match taking place. Also BCCI will opt for it if they see good money right from the start, but post the pandemic I’m not sure they’ll like to take a risk right away and start this league, hence it may take a year or two before they get serious about WIPL.

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