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Quote from: Mahdirakib on July 08, 2021, 01:39:36 PM

I'm not going to make any bets on second ODI. The second match will be more unpredictable. Now I can see that the betting odds is in favor of England team. Pakistan played with their experienced squad but they got defeated by newbie England players. All those new comers deserve the credit for winning the match. Meanwhile, everyone thought that they will cause for the lose of England team.

Realistically Pakistan would be hoping to get at least one win from the series, so they will receive 10 points in the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League. Even with a second string side, England is much superior to Pakistan, especially in home conditions. Two matches remain, and Pakistan would be happy if they could win one of them somehow. Even if they can't win any of the matches, there is nothing much to worry about, because they are comfortably placed in the Super League right now with 40 points.

Not looking at the point table but it would be great if they manage to win the next game otherwise its might turn into back 2 back dead series after Sri lanka, not good imo. I was looking at some stats and saw that Pakistan lost their last 9 ODI series in England when playing against England. After watching their last performance yesterday it looks like they are going to hit 2 digit after this series.

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Some news are coming that Angelo Mathews (personal reasons) and Kusal Mendis, Dickwella, Danushka Gunathilaka (Bio-bubble breach in England) are out from the upcoming series.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on July 08, 2021, 11:12:59 PM

Pakistan played their previous series against weak Zimbabwe. They had an outstanding performance in every match against Zimbabwe and easily won almost all the matches. But now their opponent is strong England. Looking at the performance of the last match, one can easily guess how strong the Pakistan squad is. Only 141 runs were collected. England won the match in just 25 overs, losing just one wicket. Both the bowling and batting sides of Pakistan are weak now.

It is not easy for the subcontinent teams to adjust with the English conditions. For the batsmen, they were playing in flat tracks of sub-continent till now and suddenly they are finding themselves in the seaming and bouncing pitches in Europe. Sri Lanka had the same issue, and now Pakistan is also struggling. But I expected the Pakistanis to fare better, because some of them were playing county cricket in England recently. For example, Babar Azam had represented Somerset last year (and created some controversy by refusing to display the logo from an alcohol brand).

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Pakistan played their previous series against weak Zimbabwe. They had an outstanding performance in every match against Zimbabwe and easily won almost all the matches. But now their opponent is strong England. Looking at the performance of the last match, one can easily guess how strong the Pakistan squad is. Only 141 runs were collected. England won the match in just 25 overs, losing just one wicket. Both the bowling and batting sides of Pakistan are weak now.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on July 08, 2021, 01:39:36 PM

I'm not going to make any bets on second ODI. The second match will be more unpredictable. Now I can see that the betting odds is in favor of England team. Pakistan played with their experienced squad but they got defeated by newbie England players. All those new comers deserve the credit for winning the match. Meanwhile, everyone thought that they will cause for the lose of England team.

Realistically Pakistan would be hoping to get at least one win from the series, so they will receive 10 points in the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League. Even with a second string side, England is much superior to Pakistan, especially in home conditions. Two matches remain, and Pakistan would be happy if they could win one of them somehow. Even if they can't win any of the matches, there is nothing much to worry about, because they are comfortably placed in the Super League right now with 40 points.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 08, 2021, 12:53:39 PM

Now seeing this Pakistani performance today, you and others may make another mistake of betting on England in the next match. Don't do that mistake. Pakistan will win the next match for sure.
When majority of the people think Pakistani will fail, Pakistan will win Wink

I'm not going to make any bets on second ODI. The second match will be more unpredictable. Now I can see that the betting odds is in favor of England team. Pakistan played with their experienced squad but they got defeated by newbie England players. All those new comers deserve the credit for winning the match. Meanwhile, everyone thought that they will cause for the lose of England team.

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Yes, i just heard this news yesterday and you can say its both good and bad news for the Pakistan. Good in the sense that they will be playing with a relatively low strength team which makes their chances of winning bright but at the same time if Pakistan still lose the series, then people will more blame them as they are unable to win from B England team.

Yesterday I made an early bet on Pakistan team after hearing that news. Odds was favorable for Pakistan but now it look like I made a mistake. Most probably Pakistan going to loss the match today. They batted very badly. Although ball swinging nicely in that pitch. We might see a different result if Pakistan can create pressure on England batsman.

Now seeing this Pakistani performance today, you and others may make another mistake of betting on England in the next match. Don't do that mistake. Pakistan will win the next match for sure.
When majority of the people think Pakistani will fail, Pakistan will win Wink

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on July 08, 2021, 10:44:31 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 06, 2021, 11:22:00 PM

Yes, i just heard this news yesterday and you can say its both good and bad news for the Pakistan. Good in the sense that they will be playing with a relatively low strength team which makes their chances of winning bright but at the same time if Pakistan still lose the series, then people will more blame them as they are unable to win from B England team.

Yesterday I made an early bet on Pakistan team after hearing that news. Odds was favorable for Pakistan but now it look like I made a mistake. Most probably Pakistan going to loss the match today. They batted very badly. Although ball swinging nicely in that pitch. We might see a different result if Pakistan can create pressure on England batsman.

Highly poor and disappointing performance by Pakistan team. England balling attack dismisses Pakistan batting line up or just 141! Don't relies on Pakistan bowling line up that could collapse English batting unit team at their condition. After 14 overs England are 90/1, 52 more to win.

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Why Pakistan!! why? 17/3

When everyone else was bullish that Pakistan is a strong team and with England not being in their full strength, they should have advantage, I had already shown my concern over the Pakistani team performance Cool

Britainia and ICC making out of this match as ODI but this is T-20 format for Pak. Aapne ghabrana nahi hai, Pakistan still can win this game, Hasan ali got 6 overs and he's capable enough to broke top and middle order with his iconic celebrations, and not to forget he's bhangra expert as shown at wagah border. So every thing is going according to plan.

PS : Punters you're fucked... Winks lol

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 06, 2021, 11:22:00 PM

Yes, i just heard this news yesterday and you can say its both good and bad news for the Pakistan. Good in the sense that they will be playing with a relatively low strength team which makes their chances of winning bright but at the same time if Pakistan still lose the series, then people will more blame them as they are unable to win from B England team.

Yesterday I made an early bet on Pakistan team after hearing that news. Odds was favorable for Pakistan but now it look like I made a mistake. Most probably Pakistan going to loss the match today. They batted very badly. Although ball swinging nicely in that pitch. We might see a different result if Pakistan can create pressure on England batsman.

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LOL.. Pakistan at 130/8. After the thrashing Sri Lanka received earlier, now it is the turn of another Asian team to get whacked in England. And this time England was without their regular players as well. Ironically, the player who did the most amount of damage (Saqib Mahmood) is eligible to play for Pakistan as per the ICC rules (although I don't think that he'll be willing to do so), since his parents are from that country. Usually in overseas conditions, it is Babar Azam who bats like a one man army. But today he got out for zero and it was left to Fakhar Zaman to take Pakistan to a decent total.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 08, 2021, 07:07:43 AM

Why Pakistan!! why? 17/3

When everyone else was bullish that Pakistan is a strong team and with England not being in their full strength, they should have advantage, I had already shown my concern over the Pakistani team performance Cool

Quote from: UmerIdrees on July 06, 2021, 11:22:00 PM

Yes, i just heard this news yesterday and you can say its both good and bad news for the Pakistan. Good in the sense that they will be playing with a relatively low strength team which makes their chances of winning bright but at the same time if Pakistan still lose the series, then people will more blame them as they are unable to win from B England team.

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Under Stokes' captaincy, a new-look England has made a stunning start and a horrible start for Pakistan. I must say Pakistan is in a hurry after losing two wickets in first three deliveries. Let's see if Pakistan will fight to the end. Apparently, winning the series will be a difficult task for Pakistani team against English side.

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Fakhar Zaman trying really hard to give some respectability to the Pakistan innings. So far he has scored around 60% of the runs in Pakistan total (51/4). Saqib Mahmood and Lewis Gregory got the entire top order cleaned up within the first powerplay. As suspected, Pakistani batsmen seems to be suffering from lack preparations (can't blame the PCB, because it was difficult to organize warm-up matches due to the COVID situation). The 5th wicket partnership between Sohaib Maqsood and Fakhar Zaman has so far added 32 runs.

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@Vishnu.Reang County and LOI are different IMO but fair point.

@pakhithebossFair Practise do matter, let's see what happens. England is bowling...

This is a roaster for the both teams. I only recognize 3 (Crawley, Malan,Stokes) English players in the Playing XI and 1 (Lawrence) in reserves.

Pakistan squad seems very familiar.

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Lol 2 wickets in first over of the inning.

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Some English regular players are out of the series due to covid and we are going to see new faces in the team, without any practice game, so slight advantage to Pakistan but again its Pakistan.

Absolutely you cannot rely on a team that is best known for its inconsistent. Pakistan team has lot of talent but most of them get wasted when they actually need to perform on the field.

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The county championship is ongoing right now, so I would not say that the England players are without match practice. Still, some of the players would be making their debut and they will be under a lot of pressure.

Practise does not matter on the field what matter is how to be calm and consistent. You can only achieve that with experience, new players will not be as effective as the seasoned one could have been.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 08, 2021, 06:15:17 AM

Some English regular players are out of the series due to covid and we are going to see new faces in the team, without any practice game, so slight advantage to Pakistan but again its Pakistan.

English's bench strength is good but this is almost new team (New bowling line up) for them and new skipper Stokes need to bring his A game against good Pakistani team.

The county championship is ongoing right now, so I would not say that the England players are without match practice. Still, some of the players would be making their debut and they will be under a lot of pressure. That said, I don't think that in terms of match practice the situation is any better in the Pakistan camp. They failed to organize any warmup matches before their first outing against England (the same mistake that India did ahead of their WTC final against New Zealand). Anyway.. less than one hour to go.. let's see how it turns out for both the teams.

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Coming back to Eng vs Pak series, Pakistani team is not weak team like SL and they got excellent record and very competitive in English condition but again we are talking about Pakistan here so nothing is sure as they're are unpredictable.

LOL.. it's true. Pakistan is like the most unpredictable team in international cricket. On their day, they will be able to beat teams such as India and Australia. And when they are not in form, they will go down to teams like Ireland and Netherlands. On top of that, they remain heavily overdependent on Babar Azam as far as batting is concerned. They're a lot more stable as far as pace bowling is concerned. Fast bowlers such as Shaheen Afridi are capable of handling the pressure during tough situations. Spin bowling is still a concern, though.

Some English regular players are out of the series due to covid and we are going to see new faces in the team, without any practice game, so slight advantage to Pakistan but again its Pakistan.

English's bench strength is good but this is almost new team (New bowling line up) for them and new skipper Stokes need to bring his A game against good Pakistani team.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on July 07, 2021, 03:49:22 PM

The rest of the teams should rise to the other teams, if you look back West Indies had a time when they dominated world cricket and Australia always had good teams and they all rely on fitness and now teams like India is taking fitness seriously and so is the reason they have risen to those levels like Australia used to play and the rest of the teams should find the talents and rise their level to compete with the top teams.

Tehe issue is that for some of the teams like West Indies and Sri Lanka, the talent pool hasn't increased when compared to the other teams. Along with countries such as New Zealand and Zimbabwe, they have small populations and therefore finding enough talented players is always going to be a challenge. In the case of New Zealand, they have benefitted recently from the influx of players from South Africa. After the removal of Kolpak loophole, now New Zealand seems to be the preferred destination for the South African players. Else they too would have found themselves in the same stage.

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Quote from: Maidak on July 07, 2021, 09:21:30 AM

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The game of cricket is now limited to New Zealand, England, India and Australia. There is no continuity in the performance of the rest of the teams. If the series between the big teams is not held, we will not see a more competitive series. Most matches are one-sided. If these teams perform well in one match, they lose badly in the next match.

The rest of the teams should rise to the other teams, if you look back West Indies had a time when they dominated world cricket and Australia always had good teams and they all rely on fitness and now teams like India is taking fitness seriously and so is the reason they have risen to those levels like Australia used to play and the rest of the teams should find the talents and rise their level to compete with the top teams.

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Quote from: Maidak on July 07, 2021, 09:21:30 AM

The game of cricket is now limited to New Zealand, England, India and Australia. There is no continuity in the performance of the rest of the teams. If the series between the big teams is not held, we will not see a more competitive series. Most matches are one-sided. If these teams perform well in one match, they lose badly in the next match.

I would say that the gap has increased between the big 3 teams (I would add New Zealand as well) and the rest. But that said, I haven't noticed any sharp reduction in the popularity of the sport in countries such as Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. Cricket remains as the most popular sport in South Asia. If you are looking for reasons why the quality of cricket has gone down in these countries, then it has been a topic that was much debated previously. There are a combination of different factors - financial troubles, corruption, lack of quality domestic leagues.etc.

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