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Quote from: Maidak on November 30, 2021, 11:55:37 AM

I don't know if ICC is willing to take that initial loss of 5 years. But in my opinion, it is not going to be that long and the sport is going to be much more popular before that if necessary steps are taken and bringing in more international team are not neglected. But the thing is if you have to do something you have to sacrifice something. But the question is are they willing to do that?

It's not all about ICC because they can't force any board for doing things like this it's need some fair and love for game big three can start few things which bring good funds, and then they provide funds for small boards to start leagues or small tournaments for women cricket which could be more helpful for all parties but sadly right now we have greediness of money which is preventing things to do for game mostly things happening for personal profit.

If ICC have power then surely they can use this like UEFA and then this game has some better future and more adoption in many countries, but it's never going to happen it's just dream which is ruined by very few people's personal ego. Currently, just England and Australia can afford this luxury, so they will take good advantage in future as well.

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Quote from: Theones on November 30, 2021, 11:02:18 AM

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Well... I have said this before. Returns should not be the sole concern. If the BCCI start a WIPL, in all probability the franchises will be in loss for the initial few years. But it will go a long way in popularizing women's sport and within 5 or 10 years, I am sure that the new league will return profits. Look at the Women's Hundred and the WBBL. When these leagues were started, the board suffered huge losses. But now they are net revenue earners, both for the cricket board and for the franchise owners.

Don't invest as much as you are investing in men ipl, just invest 10% of what you invest in men ipl. It's a long process and will take time and board must not carry that loss for long term but atleast start the journey with small capital. If bcci is not interested then forget about other boards to take some initiative.

The main concern for BCCI is that the WIPL will dilute the men's tournament. They believe that the WIPL can poach at least some viewers from the IPL. And more importantly, some of the sponsors and advertisers may opt for the WIPL. This argument is basically flawed, if you look at what happened with the WBBL/BBL. But in the end, a lot depends on what the BCCI and the franchise owners think about the women's game. For them, the women's league is of a lower priority, even if there is enough interest in the market.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 29, 2021, 09:46:23 PM

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The main reason is the intrest of people in both these countries. In Australia as well as india englan people follow womens cricket as well and it is already popular there so they have the funds for this and they usr it as an investement because they know that they will get returns.
If other boards do this and spend money on women leagues not many people would come in stadium even to watch those matches.

Well... I have said this before. Returns should not be the sole concern. If the BCCI start a WIPL, in all probability the franchises will be in loss for the initial few years. But it will go a long way in popularizing women's sport and within 5 or 10 years, I am sure that the new league will return profits. Look at the Women's Hundred and the WBBL. When these leagues were started, the board suffered huge losses. But now they are net revenue earners, both for the cricket board and for the franchise owners.

Yes but I don't know if ICC is willing to take that initial loss of 5 years. But in my opinion, it is not going to be that long and the sport is going to be much more popular before that if necessary steps are taken and bringing in more international team are not neglected. But the thing is if you have to do something you have to sacrifice something. But the question is are they willing to do that?

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Quote from: doomloop on November 30, 2021, 03:52:11 AM

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Australia and England are promoting woman cricket since they have interest of people in woman cricket, they have funds and its there state policy to include woman in every aspect of life. Other countries don't have or dont follow these parameters. Other boards are more concerned about money so they wont invest any penny from there pocket for woman leagues.

You are correct these countries can promote this game in women because they are better educated and financial strong countries, and we have here some serious issues related to society, education and finances in many countries, so they can't do this all as we have in big countries.
Indian Cricket Board is one of richest but still they are not having interest in this because they can face some issues but still they are improving good quality cricket which is now growing very quickly across India but in Pakistan. Sri Lanka and Bangladesh it's not easy to have luxury like this even now in quality South Africa and New Zealand women teams are not good enough because it's also having some other things as well it's very long debate which is not good but women facing some problems in all fields because of gender even we are talking about equality and respect for them.

It's not easy for any country to have its own women's cricket team and building a good team is certainly not an easy task. Because in a lot of countries a lot of people are deprived of education and in those countries having a women's cricket team is just too much of a luxury. But even after facing a lot of problems a lot of teams have made their women's cricket team and they play really well. I think ICC should also raise the bar of expectation from women's cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 29, 2021, 09:46:23 PM

Well... I have said this before. Returns should not be the sole concern. If the BCCI start a WIPL, in all probability the franchises will be in loss for the initial few years. But it will go a long way in popularizing women's sport and within 5 or 10 years, I am sure that the new league will return profits. Look at the Women's Hundred and the WBBL. When these leagues were started, the board suffered huge losses. But now they are net revenue earners, both for the cricket board and for the franchise owners.

Don't invest as much as you are investing in men ipl, just invest 10% of what you invest in men ipl. It's a long process and will take time and board must not carry that loss for long term but atleast start the journey with small capital. If bcci is not interested then forget about other boards to take some initiative.

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Quote from: og kush420 on November 29, 2021, 01:47:27 PM

Australia and England are promoting woman cricket since they have interest of people in woman cricket, they have funds and its there state policy to include woman in every aspect of life. Other countries don't have or dont follow these parameters. Other boards are more concerned about money so they wont invest any penny from there pocket for woman leagues.

You are correct these countries can promote this game in women because they are better educated and financial strong countries, and we have here some serious issues related to society, education and finances in many countries, so they can't do this all as we have in big countries.

Indian Cricket Board is one of richest but still they are not having interest in this because they can face some issues but still they are improving good quality cricket which is now growing very quickly across India but in Pakistan. Sri Lanka and Bangladesh it's not easy to have luxury like this even now in quality South Africa and New Zealand women teams are not good enough because it's also having some other things as well it's very long debate which is not good but women facing some problems in all fields because of gender even we are talking about equality and respect for them.

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Quote from: CDC AP on November 29, 2021, 04:16:46 PM

The main reason is the intrest of people in both these countries. In Australia as well as india englan people follow womens cricket as well and it is already popular there so they have the funds for this and they usr it as an investement because they know that they will get returns.
If other boards do this and spend money on women leagues not many people would come in stadium even to watch those matches.

Well... I have said this before. Returns should not be the sole concern. If the BCCI start a WIPL, in all probability the franchises will be in loss for the initial few years. But it will go a long way in popularizing women's sport and within 5 or 10 years, I am sure that the new league will return profits. Look at the Women's Hundred and the WBBL. When these leagues were started, the board suffered huge losses. But now they are net revenue earners, both for the cricket board and for the franchise owners.

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I have to absolutely agree with you on this one because there is no reason why this can't be done, and we also know that BCCI is not doing that. you know, they are getting really good enough money from the IPL and why do something that might jeopardize the money. Maybe in the distant future where IPL will lose its traction, then maybe they will think about doing something like that in my opinion.

Australia and England are promoting woman cricket since they have interest of people in woman cricket, they have funds and its there state policy to include woman in every aspect of life. Other countries don't have or dont follow these parameters. Other boards are more concerned about money so they wont invest any penny from there pocket for woman leagues.

The main reason is the intrest of people in both these countries. In Australia as well as india englan people follow womens cricket as well and it is already popular there so they have the funds for this and they usr it as an investement because they know that they will get returns.
If other boards do this and spend money on women leagues not many people would come in stadium even to watch those matches.

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Quote from: Minecache on November 29, 2021, 05:42:33 AM

I have to absolutely agree with you on this one because there is no reason why this can't be done, and we also know that BCCI is not doing that. you know, they are getting really good enough money from the IPL and why do something that might jeopardize the money. Maybe in the distant future where IPL will lose its traction, then maybe they will think about doing something like that in my opinion.

Australia and England are promoting woman cricket since they have interest of people in woman cricket, they have funds and its there state policy to include woman in every aspect of life. Other countries don't have or dont follow these parameters. Other boards are more concerned about money so they wont invest any penny from there pocket for woman leagues.

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Quote from: CDC AP on November 29, 2021, 11:26:13 AM

Yeah really very sad news this for women's cricket specially for thr player and their fans it is pretty bad.
I dont think this kind of rules can be made that it is compulsary for all boards to organise women's franchise cricket. It is boards personal choose and no one can order anything like that to them.
But yes some steps can be taken that promote women's cricket. Wether by ICC or paticular boards.

It clearly proves that money is supreme priority of every board not the cricket. India is only board that can afford woman cricket leagues even in loss, small boards like PCB, Sri lanka cant afford that. Till now its the choice of board to organize the woman leagues or not and they have not taken any measures for organizing it less Aus and England.

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Quote from: Tony116 on November 29, 2021, 10:43:35 AM

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The reason being given by the BCCI is that there is not enough talent available in the country to organize such a league. Personally, I believe that it is just BS. What prevents from starting a 3-team or 4-team franchise league in the preliminary phase? Half of the players can be sourced from India and the other half from abroad. The real reason for not doing this is due to the fear that the IPL brand may get diluted. Very unfair to the female players. The BCCI is essentially saying that it is the responsibility of the ECB and CA to groom the young Indian players.

BCCI has so much money that they can invest from there pocket in women leagues. With time it will turn profitable but bcci is not willing to bear this minute loss. It must be made compulsory for all boards to make a league for woman also. Since there is no authority that can do that woman league will continue to be ignored

Well, this is really bad news for women's cricket. Especially for Bangladesh women's cricket team. They were going on winning almost every match. But now this situation is going to bring a stop to that. And what's worse is that there is no predicted date as to when it will start again. Really sad from everyone's point of view.

Yeah really very sad news this for women's cricket specially for thr player and their fans it is pretty bad.
I dont think this kind of rules can be made that it is compulsary for all boards to organise women's franchise cricket. It is boards personal choose and no one can order anything like that to them.
But yes some steps can be taken that promote women's cricket. Wether by ICC or paticular boards.

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Quote from: Theones on November 29, 2021, 09:01:35 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on November 28, 2021, 09:19:15 PM

The reason being given by the BCCI is that there is not enough talent available in the country to organize such a league. Personally, I believe that it is just BS. What prevents from starting a 3-team or 4-team franchise league in the preliminary phase? Half of the players can be sourced from India and the other half from abroad. The real reason for not doing this is due to the fear that the IPL brand may get diluted. Very unfair to the female players. The BCCI is essentially saying that it is the responsibility of the ECB and CA to groom the young Indian players.

BCCI has so much money that they can invest from there pocket in women leagues. With time it will turn profitable but bcci is not willing to bear this minute loss. It must be made compulsory for all boards to make a league for woman also. Since there is no authority that can do that woman league will continue to be ignored

Well, this is really bad news for women's cricket. Especially for Bangladesh women's cricket team. They were going on winning almost every match. But now this situation is going to bring a stop to that. And what's worse is that there is no predicted date as to when it will start again. Really sad from everyone's point of view.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 28, 2021, 09:19:15 PM

The reason being given by the BCCI is that there is not enough talent available in the country to organize such a league. Personally, I believe that it is just BS. What prevents from starting a 3-team or 4-team franchise league in the preliminary phase? Half of the players can be sourced from India and the other half from abroad. The real reason for not doing this is due to the fear that the IPL brand may get diluted. Very unfair to the female players. The BCCI is essentially saying that it is the responsibility of the ECB and CA to groom the young Indian players.

BCCI has so much money that they can invest from there pocket in women leagues. With time it will turn profitable but bcci is not willing to bear this minute loss. It must be made compulsory for all boards to make a league for woman also. Since there is no authority that can do that woman league will continue to be ignored

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 28, 2021, 09:19:15 PM

Quote from: Theones on November 28, 2021, 01:02:23 AM

England and Aus have invested equally in every sports for both man and woman, so its surprising that they have good woman team. While Indian men IPL is billion dollar industry, there woman team is no where to be seen in terms of performance in international matches. If there is interest of general public in India in woman cricket, then these sponsors will also rush to organize woman IPL.

The reason being given by the BCCI is that there is not enough talent available in the country to organize such a league. Personally, I believe that it is just BS. What prevents from starting a 3-team or 4-team franchise league in the preliminary phase? Half of the players can be sourced from India and the other half from abroad. The real reason for not doing this is due to the fear that the IPL brand may get diluted. Very unfair to the female players. The BCCI is essentially saying that it is the responsibility of the ECB and CA to groom the young Indian players.

I have to absolutely agree with you on this one because there is no reason why this can't be done, and we also know that BCCI is not doing that. you know, they are getting really good enough money from the IPL and why do something that might jeopardize the money. Maybe in the distant future where IPL will lose its traction, then maybe they will think about doing something like that in my opinion.

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Quote from: Theones on November 28, 2021, 01:02:23 AM

England and Aus have invested equally in every sports for both man and woman, so its surprising that they have good woman team. While Indian men IPL is billion dollar industry, there woman team is no where to be seen in terms of performance in international matches. If there is interest of general public in India in woman cricket, then these sponsors will also rush to organize woman IPL.

The reason being given by the BCCI is that there is not enough talent available in the country to organize such a league. Personally, I believe that it is just BS. What prevents from starting a 3-team or 4-team franchise league in the preliminary phase? Half of the players can be sourced from India and the other half from abroad. The real reason for not doing this is due to the fear that the IPL brand may get diluted. Very unfair to the female players. The BCCI is essentially saying that it is the responsibility of the ECB and CA to groom the young Indian players.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 27, 2021, 07:50:45 AM

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As far as I know, the match between Sri Lanka women's vs West Indies women's team has been canceled. I don't know exactly why it was canceled. But this match was going to be the most exciting match of the day. The Zimbabwe women's team won the toss and elected to field against Pakistan. The match will be one-sided. The Zimbabwe team is very weak.

Pakistan women cricket team is playing against Zimbabwe ? I didn't knew that. Where is this series happening Huh

I think only the Aussie and England dominate in the women cricket as the rest of the world does not have a proper infrastructure for women cricket.

Quote from: mm2543363580 on November 27, 2021, 06:10:14 AM

There is not much viewership of cricket when it comes to woman cricket that's why there is not much gambling in this sector AFAIK. I haven't been in woman cricket betting but as you saying most of these women's matches are easily predicable, I am sure the reward for winning the bet will also be not much impressive.

There is no viewer ship of women cricket. This sports does not suit the women.
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Women's CWC is going to be played in New Zealand 2022 so for this mega event we have qualifiers in Zimbabwe but sadly after very matches now these are called off due to suddenly rise of Covid-19, and it's all in limbo because they have nothing prediction about this now where and when these going to happen, so we have to wait for all updates about this.
https://www.cricketworldcup.com/qualifiers

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 27, 2021, 07:50:45 AM

Pakistan women cricket team is playing against Zimbabwe ? I didn't knew that. Where is this series happening Huh

I think only the Aussie and England dominate in the women cricket as the rest of the world does not have a proper infrastructure for women cricket.

Nobody in Zim nor in Pakistan will be aware of this event, I bet. As far as infrastructure is concerned I think its same for both men and women. Its just about priorities. India is investing and earning billions from men IPL but there is no leagure for women in the same country, why? Because public has no interest in woman cricket, they only like women wrestling.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 27, 2021, 08:19:12 AM

I am a woman, but I do follow cricket. But the catch here is that 99% of the time I watch the men's game. Women's game lack quality, especially if it involves teams from the subcontinent. Only England and Australia are having quality players in women's cricket, thanks to the investment made by their cricket boards. In India, the BCCI earns billions every year and still they have refused to organize a franchise league for women. And in other Asian nations, they don't even have a proper domestic setup for the women players.

England and Aus have invested equally in every sports for both man and woman, so its surprising that they have good woman team. While Indian men IPL is billion dollar industry, there woman team is no where to be seen in terms of performance in international matches. If there is interest of general public in India in woman cricket, then these sponsors will also rush to organize woman IPL.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 27, 2021, 07:50:45 AM

Quote from: mm2543363580 on November 27, 2021, 06:10:14 AM

There is not much viewership of cricket when it comes to woman cricket that's why there is not much gambling in this sector AFAIK. I haven't been in woman cricket betting but as you saying most of these women's matches are easily predicable, I am sure the reward for winning the bet will also be not much impressive.

There is no viewer ship of women cricket. This sports does not suit the women.
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At the moment I agree with you. But I think it is better to watch women's matches than to watch irregular and poor performances of Bangladesh or West Indies teams. Women's cricket is not good enough now. But is slowly improving. The next few years will see them improve and play better. Their women's team is comparatively stronger than Bangladesh's men's team.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 27, 2021, 07:50:45 AM

There is no viewer ship of women cricket. This sports does not suit the women.
Its a gentlemen's game Cool

I am a woman, but I do follow cricket. But the catch here is that 99% of the time I watch the men's game. Women's game lack quality, especially if it involves teams from the subcontinent. Only England and Australia are having quality players in women's cricket, thanks to the investment made by their cricket boards. In India, the BCCI earns billions every year and still they have refused to organize a franchise league for women. And in other Asian nations, they don't even have a proper domestic setup for the women players.

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