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sr. member
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
October 17, 2013, 10:44:31 AM
This is your opinion. So far can it be even right or wrong as mine. I am willing to wait for the facts from the company. They showed positive purpose and that's what counts. Someone who has a positive purpose from start, they just don't change into bad guys and leave. There was alot of confirmations from different sources.

Bar is this your alt account?
sr. member
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October 17, 2013, 10:17:37 AM
This is your opinion. So far can it be even right or wrong as mine. I am willing to wait for the facts from the company. They showed positive purpose and that's what counts. Someone who has a positive purpose from start, they just don't change into bad guys and leave. There was alot of confirmations from different sources.
legendary
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October 17, 2013, 09:46:25 AM
Any news to share with us?
Have Yifu refunded chip batches?
Are we waiting for something?
Have you reused/planning to reuse our parts in your mining enterprise?
Can you describe what is the purpose of the stash tracked (below) by fire5?
Do you have timeline of how and when refunds will be handled?

Thx.





I would like to know this information as well.



Well this is what I would like to know also! Guessing they are trying to return and resell all the stock that has not been in use. After they clean up evertyhing they will know how much can they return ... It's better to wait for some actual news.

If you believe they are returning parts that they NEVER showed proof of buying, then i have a bridge to sell you.  I personally believe the only cleaning being done is bank accounts.  Just waiting till they are truly sued and then they go under.  They announced they were closing..... but if they are not sued don't you think they will leave it open and get every bit of salary they can?  And the BTC..... yea i predict its gone and they sit on it.

I also think the only reason they came on forum before to give any update was Amir's info being posted.
sr. member
Activity: 270
Merit: 250
October 17, 2013, 05:28:17 AM
Any news to share with us?
Have Yifu refunded chip batches?
Are we waiting for something?
Have you reused/planning to reuse our parts in your mining enterprise?
Can you describe what is the purpose of the stash tracked (below) by fire5?
Do you have timeline of how and when refunds will be handled?

Thx.





I would like to know this information as well.



Well this is what I would like to know also! Guessing they are trying to return and resell all the stock that has not been in use. After they clean up evertyhing they will know how much can they return ... It's better to wait for some actual news.
sr. member
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Sugars.zone | DatingFi - Earn for Posting
October 16, 2013, 10:37:52 PM
Whilst you guys have my greatest sympathy, I feel you my as well write your comments on a piece of paper, shove it in a bottle and toss it in the ocean.

You guys need to collect together your info and take it to the local police as a fraud case, and then look to private action.
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So sexy, it hurts.
October 16, 2013, 09:56:30 PM
Any news to share with us?
Have Yifu refunded chip batches?
Are we waiting for something?
Have you reused/planning to reuse our parts in your mining enterprise?
Can you describe what is the purpose of the stash tracked (below) by fire5?
Do you have timeline of how and when refunds will be handled?

Thx.





I would like to know this information as well.

hero member
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Crypto Investor ;) @ Farmed Account Hunter
October 16, 2013, 09:23:15 PM
I guess it would kinda help if TH actually logged on here.., but seems to me they were NEVER interested in answering anything.
full member
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Merit: 100
October 16, 2013, 08:56:31 PM
Any news to share with us?
Have Yifu refunded chip batches?
Are we waiting for something?
Have you reused/planning to reuse our parts in your mining enterprise?
Can you describe what is the purpose of the stash tracked (below) by fire5?
Do you have timeline of how and when refunds will be handled?

Thx.


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October 16, 2013, 11:59:16 AM
I know I'm up the creek without a paddle but I'm just thinking out loud here.  Did TerraHash use a third-party payment processor for their Bitcoin payments?  If so is it possible to get in touch with that payment processor to at least lay a claim on those payments?  I know it is probably way too late in this case but perhaps in future cases a Bitcoin payment processor can be insured against fraud or bad business practices and customers can have some sort of recourse like they do with paypal and CCs.
sr. member
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October 16, 2013, 10:52:59 AM
Bank keeps denying my refund, saying I authorized the transaction, which has nothing to do with anything.

Has anyone had success with a refund? I've been trying for months.

If it was not paypal or credit card most likely you will have to get a lawyer involved at this point.  It's pretty far from original purchase date, even those will only get harder and harder.
PayPal through a CC (well-known CC) through my bank.

My bank keeps thinking I am trying to claim I didn't authorize the purchase and so they say "we determined you authorized the purchase - declined." I opened the dispute back in August and had to refile after I explained their error and then they did it again.


Maybe you should change the claim to  did not receive merchandise. When you call them take down their name. Send letters in writing and make copies. Sounds like they are lazy. When a Bank screws up it can be like moving mountains to get them to fix it.  

They are telling me that because PayPal deducted the amount directly from my checking account and not through my debit card that there is nothing they can do.

I also opened a dispute with PayPal and I checked just now - PayPal deleted my dispute. They closed my dispute as soon as I opened it.
mine was paid through my checking and I was still able to file claim. Call someone else. My guess is TH bank account is negative. Call PayPal not your bank.

I called PayPal and they are saying we might or might not. So, I was on top of this only a couple days after Aug. 15th and I'm the one getting screwed because I tried to go through my bank. Most people didn't start disputes until September. I should already have my money back.
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October 16, 2013, 10:39:16 AM
Bank keeps denying my refund, saying I authorized the transaction, which has nothing to do with anything.

Has anyone had success with a refund? I've been trying for months.

If it was not paypal or credit card most likely you will have to get a lawyer involved at this point.  It's pretty far from original purchase date, even those will only get harder and harder.
PayPal through a CC (well-known CC) through my bank.

My bank keeps thinking I am trying to claim I didn't authorize the purchase and so they say "we determined you authorized the purchase - declined." I opened the dispute back in August and had to refile after I explained their error and then they did it again.


Maybe you should change the claim to  did not receive merchandise. When you call them take down their name. Send letters in writing and make copies. Sounds like they are lazy. When a Bank screws up it can be like moving mountains to get them to fix it.  

They are telling me that because PayPal deducted the amount directly from my checking account and not through my debit card that there is nothing they can do.

I also opened a dispute with PayPal and I checked just now - PayPal deleted my dispute. They closed my dispute as soon as I opened it.
mine was paid through my checking and I was still able to file claim. Call someone else. My guess is TH bank account is negative. Call PayPal not your bank.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
October 16, 2013, 10:29:33 AM
Bank keeps denying my refund, saying I authorized the transaction, which has nothing to do with anything.

Has anyone had success with a refund? I've been trying for months.

If it was not paypal or credit card most likely you will have to get a lawyer involved at this point.  It's pretty far from original purchase date, even those will only get harder and harder.
PayPal through a CC (well-known CC) through my bank.

My bank keeps thinking I am trying to claim I didn't authorize the purchase and so they say "we determined you authorized the purchase - declined." I opened the dispute back in August and had to refile after I explained their error and then they did it again.


Maybe you should change the claim to  did not receive merchandise. When you call them take down their name. Send letters in writing and make copies. Sounds like they are lazy. When a Bank screws up it can be like moving mountains to get them to fix it.  

They are telling me that because PayPal deducted the amount directly from my checking account and not through my debit card that there is nothing they can do.

I also opened a dispute with PayPal and I checked just now - PayPal deleted my dispute. They closed my dispute as soon as I opened it.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
October 16, 2013, 01:51:13 AM
How do you get a paypal refund after you pass the refund threshold (which everyone obviously has)?

Please and thank you.




Try this

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I talked to a guy in the fraud department named Aaron, employee ID 45731.   He and his supervisor got my money back from TerraHash and he told me today, that he will do his best to help anyone else who can't get their money back from TerraHash.
sr. member
Activity: 389
Merit: 250
October 16, 2013, 12:56:17 AM
Bank keeps denying my refund, saying I authorized the transaction, which has nothing to do with anything.

Has anyone had success with a refund? I've been trying for months.

If it was not paypal or credit card most likely you will have to get a lawyer involved at this point.  It's pretty far from original purchase date, even those will only get harder and harder.
PayPal through a CC (well-known CC) through my bank.

My bank keeps thinking I am trying to claim I didn't authorize the purchase and so they say "we determined you authorized the purchase - declined." I opened the dispute back in August and had to refile after I explained their error and then they did it again.


Maybe you should change the claim to  did not receive merchandise. When you call them take down their name. Send letters in writing and make copies. Sounds like they are lazy. When a Bank screws up it can be like moving mountains to get them to fix it. 
hero member
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Someone is sitting in the shade today...
October 15, 2013, 11:41:30 PM

fyi i got my money back via paypal claim, terrahash never responded or issued a refund. There is no point debating TH's legitimacy as we are all adults and can make our own financial decisions and assess risk/reward. For me personally, i have been around the block a few times and cannot justify risking $10k on good faith with TH after their behavior in the past few weeks - it's a personal choice.

But there are a couple items anyone looking for a refund should know, as there have been so much confusion & misinformation in this thread:

1) If you paid with bitcoin or wire - you are done: full hope & pray mode.
 
2) If you paid with paypal via credit card - you are fine, can file a chargeback with the credit card company directly and always get your money back, dont bother even go through paypal.

3) If you paid with echeck or funds in paypal, then you will ONLY get your money back if paypal is able to recover the money from TH's account.  It doesnt matter if paypal decide in your favor, if they cannot recover the fund you are not getting your money back.  Paypal actually did us a great service by locking terrahash's fund initially so they cannot transfer out. Also when you file a dispute, paypal will lock the fund to prevent them from been transferred out, but if the money was already not in the account, you are out of luck.

4) Paypal dispute doesnt do anything it's just a back & forth message with the seller, escalate to a claim right away dont waste time with dispute comments, only in claim mode will paypal start looking at the transaction after about 10 days wait.

5) 3) and 4) assumes TH still has a balance in their paypal account and didnt clean out, otherwise refer to 1).

Hope this clarifies for those looking to get a refund. Good luck guys i hope you all get your hardware on time and make a lot of money.



fyi on paypal...
sr. member
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October 15, 2013, 10:54:56 PM
Bank keeps denying my refund, saying I authorized the transaction, which has nothing to do with anything.

Has anyone had success with a refund? I've been trying for months.

If it was not paypal or credit card most likely you will have to get a lawyer involved at this point.  It's pretty far from original purchase date, even those will only get harder and harder.
PayPal through a CC (well-known CC) through my bank.

My bank keeps thinking I am trying to claim I didn't authorize the purchase and so they say "we determined you authorized the purchase - declined." I opened the dispute back in August and had to refile after I explained their error and then they did it again.
sr. member
Activity: 258
Merit: 250
October 15, 2013, 10:42:00 PM
How do you get a paypal refund after you pass the refund threshold (which everyone obviously has)?

Please and thank you.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
October 15, 2013, 10:07:30 PM
Bank keeps denying my refund, saying I authorized the transaction, which has nothing to do with anything.

Has anyone had success with a refund? I've been trying for months.

If it was not paypal or credit card most likely you will have to get a lawyer involved at this point.  It's pretty far from original purchase date, even those will only get harder and harder.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
October 15, 2013, 09:41:57 PM
Bank keeps denying my refund, saying I authorized the transaction, which has nothing to do with anything.

Has anyone had success with a refund? I've been trying for months.


Was your transaction a wire transfer or a credit card? I haven't heard of a Bank wire transfer being reversed. So far only Credit Card and PayPal have been refunded.   

Wires can indeed and in fact be reversed but it takes an Act of God, three men, a boy, a donkey and a lot of luck.

Mostly it takes a court order.

My $.02.

Wink
sr. member
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October 15, 2013, 09:39:30 PM
Bank keeps denying my refund, saying I authorized the transaction, which has nothing to do with anything.

Has anyone had success with a refund? I've been trying for months.


Was your transaction a wire transfer or a credit card? I haven't heard of a Bank wire transfer being reversed. So far only Credit Card and PayPal have been refunded.   
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