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legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
October 23, 2013, 10:53:23 AM
Well, I did allready take action, when I ordered. I know it may be a risk. But it was a risk that I decided to take it. Their purpose was honest and that is what I believe Wink The last message was to have a patient to wait for the refund, and that's what I am going with. You can try to convince me as hard as You can, but from my side it will stay as it is. It is Your opinion, and I accept it Wink

So said. Don't You dare understand me false!!!! I am not convicing You the otherwise EVEN it would look like. This is easy game if you know how people think.

And no, I am not employd, I live in a country with small standard and 950$ is a really big money for me, but I have much responsibility and believe in happiness not in money (but you know all that we live in a unfair world, so even the little people are forced into monetary system). So yeah, I also need money.

You are in denial.   They were not "honest" in so many aspects the company gave up.  If you believe they will give 50 percent refunds then I have a bridge to sell you.
full member
Activity: 223
Merit: 100
October 23, 2013, 10:31:12 AM
Well, I did allready take action, when I ordered. I know it may be a risk. But it was a risk that I decided to take it. Their purpose was honest and that is what I believe Wink The last message was to have a patient to wait for the refund, and that's what I am going with. You can try to convince me as hard as You can, but from my side it will stay as it is. It is Your opinion, and I accept it Wink

So said. Don't You dare understand me false!!!! I am not convicing You the otherwise EVEN it would look like. This is easy game if you know how people think.

And no, I am not employd, I live in a country with small standard and 950$ is a really big money for me, but I have much responsibility and believe in happiness not in money (but you know all that we live in a unfair world, so even the little people are forced into monetary system). So yeah, I also need money.

Your attitude is healthy. And I used to have similar feelings towards TerraHash.
But I changed my bias a little bit after user Silvas expressed some of his thoughts on the way Terrahash is doing things.
I think Silvas is mostly right. Please read some of his posts here.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/silvas-128240

In short TerraHash is a gambler and they were gambling with our money all time long.
Right now they have enough bitcoins to refund us in full, but they are choosing to wait bit longer. For what purpose...?! More upside in BTC/USD price?!
What if tomorrow btc is back to $100. Will we have to wait another unknown period of time? What if BTC collapses for good?

And even if more upside happens why on earth TH gets profit from that? Do TH pays us interest rate for this gambling loan?

You can check on calculations here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3384024

sr. member
Activity: 270
Merit: 250
October 23, 2013, 10:00:23 AM
Well, I did allready take action, when I ordered. I know it may be a risk. But it was a risk that I decided to take it. Their purpose was honest and that is what I believe Wink The last message was to have a patient to wait for the refund, and that's what I am going with. You can try to convince me as hard as You can, but from my side it will stay as it is. It is Your opinion, and I accept it Wink

So said. Don't You dare understand me false!!!! I am not convicing You the otherwise EVEN it would look like. This is easy game if you know how people think.

And no, I am not employd, I live in a country with small standard and 950$ is a really big money for me, but I have much responsibility and believe in happiness not in money (but you know all that we live in a unfair world, so even the little people are forced into monetary system). So yeah, I also need money.
hero member
Activity: 854
Merit: 500
October 23, 2013, 07:07:09 AM
You aren't paying attention.

They are gone, you aren't getting a dime,

Unless you are suing them you aren't getting shit.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
October 22, 2013, 11:32:30 PM
The name of the game here is to separate you from your money through TIME.

The longer you wait, the more likely they are to succeed.  If TerraHash was interested in providing refunds, they should have been - and would be communicating with all of you now.

Their website is a perfect example of why this is a scam.  They haven't changed their website to indicate they are out of business.  Everything is out of stock, but their website still shows them as a solvent, viable company.  Why?

If you were out of business, wouldn't you make it official by taking down your website?

They are just trying to put more time between your transmission of money and their escape.  The more time the better (as we've seen with some PayPal purchases).  Act now.  Find an attorney that can wrangle up some clients from those of you who made large dollar transactions with TerraHash and start filing lawsuits and obtaining judgments on this rat fink.

Start calling attorneys and explaining your case.  Keep calling new attorneys, using google to find attorneys.  There are hungry attorneys out there who are willing to pursue this in your interest.  And even if you get 10 percent back of your purchase and the attorney takes the lions share, it'll be more than this rat fink refunded you so far...  and go to prove a point that this type of behavior is completely unacceptable.



I think 10 percent is more then will ever be refunded by them sadly if their silence speaks anything.  Really only thing that got Amir to come on I think was his info being posted.

I think it will take big lawsuits to actually make TH give money (and it will be to the ones who sue), and TH will finally fold once they owe enough money.  Until then i predict TH stays open.... and salary is paid.
gbx
full member
Activity: 226
Merit: 100
October 22, 2013, 11:07:36 PM
The name of the game here is to separate you from your money through TIME.

The longer you wait, the more likely they are to succeed.  If TerraHash was interested in providing refunds, they should have been - and would be communicating with all of you now.

Their website is a perfect example of why this is a scam.  They haven't changed their website to indicate they are out of business.  Everything is out of stock, but their website still shows them as a solvent, viable company.  Why?

If you were out of business, wouldn't you make it official by taking down your website?

They are just trying to put more time between your transmission of money and their escape.  The more time the better (as we've seen with some PayPal purchases).  Act now.  Find an attorney that can wrangle up some clients from those of you who made large dollar transactions with TerraHash and start filing lawsuits and obtaining judgments on this rat fink.

Start calling attorneys and explaining your case.  Keep calling new attorneys, using google to find attorneys.  There are hungry attorneys out there who are willing to pursue this in your interest.  And even if you get 10 percent back of your purchase and the attorney takes the lions share, it'll be more than this rat fink refunded you so far...  and go to prove a point that this type of behavior is completely unacceptable.

member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
October 22, 2013, 11:01:37 PM
Yeah, this was forced option by people. Terrahash tried to do some work in the mean time, then gets ugly when Bitsyncom messed up chip delivery. In between the difficulty rises, people get paranoid and can't stand the pressure, so they start to call refunds. This then buries Terrahash.

Also Terrahash started a bussines and bought 20.000 chips ... then (I only assume) goes all in with 20.000 more (They admitted that they never bought these... ) ... and spent the last bit of money on accessories for miners (Also false... they never figured out what to buy because they never got a fully working prototype up and running). Without responsibility You don't start the bussines that way. And the company should allways have the backup which he can afford. (True.)
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
October 22, 2013, 10:58:32 PM
I think they are just trying to deal with the mess. The site is still operatable and they have now enough funds to refund 100% in cash - also the bitcoin payments (this is also a good option). Let's wait as Amir sais and even if they refund 50% it's better than nothing. I personally have trust in them, since they make everything prepared really good.

we got scammed... take action if you havent already.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
October 22, 2013, 10:12:02 PM
Yeah, this was forced option by people. Terrahash tried to do some work in the mean time, then gets ugly when Bitsyncom messed up chip delivery. In between the difficulty rises, people get paranoid and can't stand the pressure, so they start to call refunds. This then buries Terrahash.

Also Terrahash started a bussines and bought 20.000 chips ... then (I only assume) goes all in with 20.000 more ... and spent the last bit of money on accessories for miners. Without responsibility You don't start the bussines that way. And the company should allways have the backup which he can afford.

Chips or not they never had a proper working prototype in months of being in their office.  Their chip orders were shady to say the least, the ones they magically got out of.  There have been no pictures of "accessories" of miners so i find it hard to believe the 1/2 million just was spent.

The only people that forced this option was TH.  They could have saw this coming switched chips.  TH was a company of salesmen.  And honestly i bet TH made more money off this way out then actually providing products. 
sr. member
Activity: 270
Merit: 250
October 22, 2013, 06:55:36 PM
Yeah, this was forced option by people. Terrahash tried to do some work in the mean time, then gets ugly when Bitsyncom messed up chip delivery. In between the difficulty rises, people get paranoid and can't stand the pressure, so they start to call refunds. This then buries Terrahash.

Also Terrahash started a bussines and bought 20.000 chips ... then (I only assume) goes all in with 20.000 more ... and spent the last bit of money on accessories for miners. Without responsibility You don't start the bussines that way. And the company should allways have the backup which he can afford.
full member
Activity: 223
Merit: 100
October 22, 2013, 06:47:48 PM
Maybe somebody can contact CloudHashing and check if they got their refunds back then and if they did, how it was handled.
For now we know that only people who forced refunds via PayPal or CC mechanisms got it.
sr. member
Activity: 270
Merit: 250
October 22, 2013, 06:46:55 PM
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That means that from this point on TH have enough money to issue full refunds and still exit with a profit from the failure.
It also means that from this point forward withholding refunds equals to taking an additional unnecessary risk on consumers' money by TerraHash.


If I was TH I would convert the Bitcoin to US Dollars. Then pay back the US Dollar value of  the mining equipment at the time of purchase. This might save them from litigation.

Yeah, that would be a great alternative too !
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
October 22, 2013, 05:50:56 PM
Maybe knight was part of this scam?

I doubt that.
I dealt with him behind the scenes on my TH order (because Amir was ignoring me)... if he was part of it wouldn't have taken him a few trips there to fix my issue at the time.

You will notice knight never has taken any trips to see about refunds.   Also did anyone else see him log in to chip order?  I can't remember anyone else besides him verifying a log in to see orders.

I remember seeing a couple of posts that mentioned people other than knight made it over to the office, might be worth a shot to try and locate those people.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
October 22, 2013, 05:45:05 PM
Maybe knight was part of this scam?

I doubt that.
I dealt with him behind the scenes on my TH order (because Amir was ignoring me)... if he was part of it wouldn't have taken him a few trips there to fix my issue at the time.

You will notice knight never has taken any trips to see about refunds.   Also did anyone else see him log in to chip order?  I can't remember anyone else besides him verifying a log in to see orders.
sr. member
Activity: 389
Merit: 250
October 22, 2013, 04:47:18 PM
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That means that from this point on TH have enough money to issue full refunds and still exit with a profit from the failure.
It also means that from this point forward withholding refunds equals to taking an additional unnecessary risk on consumers' money by TerraHash.


If I was TH I would convert the Bitcoin to US Dollars. Then pay back the US Dollar value of  the mining equipment at the time of purchase. This might save them from litigation.
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1001
October 22, 2013, 02:00:06 PM
they also disconnected their phone
legendary
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1000
October 22, 2013, 01:55:59 PM
They seem to have removed all contact options from their website aside from a telephone number.

I want my refund - tired of waiting. 50% is better than nothing..
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 500
Crypto Investor ;) @ Farmed Account Hunter
October 22, 2013, 09:17:32 AM
Maybe knight was part of this scam?

I doubt that.
I dealt with him behind the scenes on my TH order (because Amir was ignoring me)... if he was part of it wouldn't have taken him a few trips there to fix my issue at the time.
full member
Activity: 203
Merit: 100
The law of the universe!
October 22, 2013, 09:09:07 AM
Maybe knight was part of this scam?
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 500
Crypto Investor ;) @ Farmed Account Hunter
October 22, 2013, 06:19:21 AM
Based on their previous business decisions I believe Amir will split up the company in to so it will be Terra and Hash..  then he will proceed to open a dispensary and buy a lot of Hash with our $.
Maybe he only got tangled up in BTC forums after getting a lot of results for his Hash searching?
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