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October 11, 2013, 02:46:03 PM
I beleive this a deal that did not work out; the money is gone and everyone loses.

I do not believe there was any real intent on the part of Terrahash to defraud but most probably a lot of blinders on and when the defecation hit the air handler, they ran away.

After all, Terrahash was funded in significant part by Cloudhashing as you will find proof of here:

http://bflfraud.com/chat-logs/

Makes the most sense for them to run away but the investors are left hanging.

My $.02.



I don't understand what you mean.  I may be an investor but my relationship with TerraHash is that I am a customer.  I paid for a product that was never delivered.  How does it make sense for them to run away and leave their customers without a product or a refund?  Everyone loses?  If I took payments for a product from hundreds of customers and never delivered a product and I made off with the money how did I lose?  TerraHash owes me money and I intend to collect.
sr. member
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October 10, 2013, 10:42:25 PM
I beleive this a deal that did not work out; the money is gone and everyone loses.

I do not believe there was any real intent on the part of Terrahash to defraud but most probably a lot of blinders on and when the defecation hit the air handler, they ran away.

After all, Terrahash was funded in significant part by Cloudhashing as you will find proof of here:

http://bflfraud.com/chat-logs/

Makes the most sense for them to run away but the investors are left hanging.

My $.02.

legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
October 10, 2013, 10:34:32 PM
Some points to consider before accusing us of scam:
1. We stopped taking orders as soon as we had enough orders to account for the chips we ordered. If we were a scam, we would have continued taking orders and could have easily raised double the money we did.
2. We spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on components, heat sinks, cases, boards, cables. For people saying that its "only a few resistors", look at the BOM provided by BkkCoins. It says components cost around $23 for a K16. And this does not include the heat sinks (~$14), boards etc. For each K16, the components including the heat sink, board, power cables, etc. cost us around $45. And we were prepared to assemble around 5,000 K16s (for 80,000 chips). There goes $250,000. Why 80,000 chips? We had ordered 40,000 of our own and had at least 4 other parties who were going to get their boards assembled from us. But guess what? Tired of the delays from Yifu, they all ended up getting a refund from Avalon.
3. We spent so much time and effort trying to source the really hard to get components. You can go read the Klondike thread where everyone is discussing the shortage of the PICs, the IR3895s, and others. But we have all the components, we even overpaid to get some of them. Show me a scammer who would do that.
4. For the components that even we could not get, we invested a lot of time to search for alternates. For example, the Power Inductor 38L361C was not available anywhere, so we instead bought SPM10040T-R36M170. But the latter was not pin compatible with the former. So we ended up changing the circuit board. I will publish the updated KiCad files. Would a scammer go through all this trouble? Anyone with half a brain can answer this.

If we were a scam, we would have disappeared on June 20th.

Why going out of business?
I am really sick and tired of all the scam accusations. I appreciate all the negative criticism that the community does, resulting in catching scams in early stages in order to protect the newer members of the community. But baseless scam accusations from day one have taken their toll on our company. The FUD spread by a few members (along with the delay from Yifu) lead to a lot of refund requests. The result of which was that, if we continued with the project, we would have been left with inventory worth hundreds of thousands of dollars in our hands. And it would have been almost impossible to sell it at a price where we could even break even. Even if nobody asked for a refund, we would still have been left with about $125,000 worth of useless components (read point 4 above). But with about half of our customers asking for a refund, we would be stuck with another $350,000 worth of inventory that we couldn't have sold for more than $150,000, putting us under red for over $300,000. I am sorry, but I am not running a charity. It made much more sense to ask for a refund from Yifu and pay back as much as possible, without going into debt.

Why only a 50% refund?
With people who paid with PayPal taking a 100% refund, it leaves a lesser share for everyone else. I am sorry, but that's how it is. We do not want to be owing hundreds of thousands to PayPal. Also, with some customers contacting our bank with fraud accusations, Chase has shut down our bank accounts. In my opinion they were just looking for an excuse. They have already contacted us in the past, asking for more information about our business, just because we were a "Bitcoin related business."

Patience is a virtue
Now, you can either be content with the turnout of the whole fiasco and stop attacking me personally, and wait for your refunds. Or, you continue accusing me of being a scammer, and continue publishing my addresses publicly and tarnishing my image. Its up to you. Some of you have already done a lot of irreparable damage, not just to me but to all the TerraHash customers. And please remember, that there is only so much that I can take. If pushed into a corner, I will defend myself.

Meanwhile, at the ranch...
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October 10, 2013, 10:07:33 PM
Spent a couple of hours reading this thread and wow, just wow...

Good luck to all you TH customers, sounds like you will need it.  Sad

You missed about half it due to some users deleting their posts in this thread.
Also see the prequel https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2064470

oh my... shouldve known...
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Sugars.zone | DatingFi - Earn for Posting
October 10, 2013, 06:14:20 PM
Spent a couple of hours reading this thread and wow, just wow...

Good luck to all you TH customers, sounds like you will need it.  Sad

You missed about half it due to some users deleting their posts in this thread.
Also see the prequel https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2064470
sr. member
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
October 10, 2013, 03:10:06 PM
Spent a couple of hours reading this thread and wow, just wow...

Good luck to all you TH customers, sounds like you will need it.  Sad

You missed about half it due to some users deleting their posts in this thread.
member
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October 10, 2013, 03:00:44 PM
Spent a couple of hours reading this thread and wow, just wow...

Good luck to all you TH customers, sounds like you will need it.  Sad
sr. member
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October 10, 2013, 02:55:09 PM
For some reason the old trite adage which says that you can't get blood from a turnip comes to mind.............

Wink

My $.02.
newbie
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October 10, 2013, 02:53:19 PM
Well, this thread died.  Guess TH made off with all our money.  Does anyone have any updates regarding law suits again them.  I know bar was organizing something.
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October 09, 2013, 09:08:03 PM

Good job.
I can indeed see my transactions flowing into above wallet.
I can also see that TH paid for two batches of chips right after pre-orders on 2013-06-20 04:07:55.
https://blockchain.info/tx/e39c21378f934baefef31d1b4a769a775007c92c5d302f3157a9fe6e64b57c86

And another 782btc for 10k chips on 2013-06-23 22:03:24
https://blockchain.info/tx/b51f66def4503590e9137b7a23819e5e3c13d24d70ec2b12da0074bd786e5847
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So sexy, it hurts.
sr. member
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The law of the universe!
October 08, 2013, 05:49:13 PM
I bet Terrahash is NEVER going to refunds anybody. Not even 50%!
Amir bastard is just stalling and probably he is already gone south with our money!
Laughing his ass off on the beach about all the suckers he scammed.
legendary
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October 07, 2013, 07:26:41 PM
When are you going to send the refunds?
anyone still expecting a 50% refund and more later, is probably just a fantasy Sad  how much did you spend with Th if you don't mind sharing,,,and was is Ccard/paypal?
newbie
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October 07, 2013, 06:03:33 PM
When are you going to send the refunds?
legendary
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October 07, 2013, 06:51:39 AM
I bet TH was quite happy this forum was down! No updates from them through other means of course.
Lol I was thinking the exact same thing Smiley and probably Bar was too.....
hero member
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October 07, 2013, 02:12:11 AM
I bet TH was quite happy this forum was down! No updates from them through other means of course.
sr. member
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October 02, 2013, 07:16:21 PM
Anyone still having luck with refunds through Paypal.  Just tried myself and was shot down saying they are familiar with the situation and suggest i go through my credit card company.  I will try again later before I head to the CC companies.

I started my refund with my credit card, after Pay Pal first denied me. Money refunded all the same. If you have a credit card use it for a charge back.   
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