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September 30, 2013, 07:43:52 PM
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I hope nobody minds a quick off-topic, but out of the people that purchased pre-orders for Terrahash, are any of you still participating in the ASIC race?

Hell No.

Electricity is too high in my area.

I would have to trust someone to host the unit. Fairly charge me for expenses. And honestly send the coins I have due.  Cheesy 

If taxes have to be paid someday, it will likely be income tax with mining.  Instead of capital gains or loss from buying the coins outright.

will you get your rig in time to break even? Not likely from what I've seen.

Some say they want to help keep the coins decentralized. But anyone can just buy the coins if they want. So Bitcoin will be decentralized anyway. And 9 times out of 10 the miner will pay more for his coins through electricity, taxes, hardware and mining pool fees.   
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September 30, 2013, 06:46:15 PM
I am tired of this, just give me my 55+% refund so I can get out of here.
legendary
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Anarchy is not chaos.
September 30, 2013, 06:25:54 PM
I hope nobody minds a quick off-topic, but out of the people that purchased pre-orders for Terrahash, are any of you still participating in the ASIC race?

A couple months ago, it became crystal clear that this particular race is not worth running anymore. While the new generations coming out now are clearly attractive, just like the ones here, it has to do with timing, and the rapid increase in difficulty. Therefore, I've determined that any ASIC based race is no longer worthwhile.

I still have a decent sized Scyrpt operation that I will continue to grow until circumstances change.

If you are still pursuing ASIC miners, my question for you is what is your end goal?

Great question!

In my case, I had no skin in the early game, because I had no way of doing it. Come about two months from now, that may no longer be true, in which case I will be in the race.

My reasons are more long term than breakeven profit, and somewhat complex. But as briefly as possible, I'll illustrate why I think 6 month positive ROI is not a big factor if you are doing this for something more than just getting more bitcoins in your wallet. (Not that that is an unworthy goal).

First off, there is the issue of making the network more secure. I won't use the phrase "securing the network" because that is impossible. Making it very difficult to take it over is important, though. The national fiat currencies, whatever your political beliefs, have from a technical standpoint been compromised beyond repair.

Which brings me to a lot of why I'm interested in this race, and where I think the ultimate value of mining lies. I want to see bitcoin become a mainstream currency. It's on the brink right now. With proper promotion, or sufficient improper promotion, it will happen soon, or this will have been an interesting and expensive experiment.

I think that most miners don't look at the actual value of transaction fees. That little fraction of a bitcoin that accompanies every transaction, should it go mainstream, will be A LOT of money in a short time. Banks, when they aren't buying governments, run very small margins on most of their transactions. Yet they have always profited handsomely. Prior to massive regulation, the most honest profited very handsomely. Fractional reserve and central regulation destroyed that model (see Greshams law), but the historical fact of it remains.

Bitcoin, by contrast to standard fiat, has no central issuing authority. This is, in my arrogant opinion, it's biggest strength. The bigger the network, the more this becomes a strength. Thus the long term money is in microtransactions AND general acceptance of bitcoin.

Further, if I am generating enough bitcoins with my machines to fund other ventures not related to mining, I can leverage that over a long period to gain financially and on other, perhaps non economic goals. If it cost me more than I make (excluding ROI on equipment, I'm talking operating costs) then it's a losing proposition, but that is an unlikely scenario for a long period of time.

As a general strategy, it is my thought that one could leverage the mining to buy newer, cheaper, and more efficient equipment, first, and then to start building off grid power systems to offset the eventuality of electricity costs overriding profit to much. As part of this strategy, I would be promoting bitcoin as a transactional instrument for practically everything. There are some hurdles to overcome with that, but the biggest one is simply popularity. Use your coins to purchase goods and services, and particularly, advertising. Promote the fuck out of the concept, make it so people at large cannot escape noticing bitcoin, and in the long term mining of coins will become almost irrelevant and definitely secondary to transactional fees and general commerce.

So I think the race is worth it in the short term to be prepared for the longterm. As mining profits decrease, it does not stop the machines from functioning, and those fees transfer in every block. There will come a time, if the concept that Satoshi set out in his paper comes to pass, when the measly block reward simply will be a bonus. For me, the short term race is interesting, exciting, and risky. But the real rewards, for all concerned, are in the long term.
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September 30, 2013, 05:47:33 PM
At this point 50 % back is probably more than you could mine if they were to actually deliver the miners.
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Lol, wiser words never spoken.  I owe you a kitten.
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September 30, 2013, 05:36:19 PM
At this point 50 % back is probably more than you could mine if they were to actually deliver the miners.
Maybe TH should buy the auction chips and build and deliver the miners.
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September 30, 2013, 05:20:06 PM
Nothing but 100% refunds to everyone this is owed is good enough, neither should it be for any of you either.

Amir, Justin, other principles at TerraHash, your customers, this community owes you nothing! If you took their money, then you owe it back, period, full stop, end of story.

As I have been asking for since June.... Send out the refunds!
+1000000
This was not a group buy, it was run as a business. The Group Buys split the chip purchase and board manufacture to remove the liability.

You guys purchased a product, it was not delivered, nothing else matters, you should receive 100% back or else it is fraud.

You would not except this treatment from Amazon, if they could not deliver your order you would be 100% refunded.

When you start a business you except the losses.

Do Not Except 50%
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September 30, 2013, 05:15:41 PM
I hope nobody minds a quick off-topic, but out of the people that purchased pre-orders for Terrahash, are any of you still participating in the ASIC race?

A couple months ago, it became crystal clear that this particular race is not worth running anymore. While the new generations coming out now are clearly attractive, just like the ones here, it has to do with timing, and the rapid increase in difficulty. Therefore, I've determined that any ASIC based race is no longer worthwhile.

I still have a decent sized Scyrpt operation that I will continue to grow until circumstances change.

If you are still pursuing ASIC miners, my question for you is what is your end goal?
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
September 30, 2013, 04:27:29 PM
On a side note, KnC just announced shipping and hashrate of 576GH/s average!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFOcI8nK2xI
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September 30, 2013, 04:23:08 PM
I do agree about those posting all Amir's info, even though he is in my opinion a horrible business man.

I didn't see this part the first time I read your message, but let me state a couple things in response to that. All of the information posted is public information, and is published on government or publicly available websites. The information was meant to help people locate Amir or Justin in order to serve them papers since they did not leave any forwarding address, nor provide any means to contact them.

When a business takes that much money from customers, and folds up shop with no known refunds given voluntarily to date, I think it's in the best interest of the entire community to know as much publicly available information as possible. I will also remove any information that I am requested to do so, if someone feels that it is inappropriate, or is not needed as long as TH provides information on how to reach them.

I see lip service so far, actions are what people want to see.



I agree it is just lip service it appears.  And I wonder if Amir is taking salary as all this is going on.  And also he did have a threat saying he is willing to defend his self..... so that is interesting.  I wonder what he meant by it. 

The reason I agreed is personally I don't him to be able to look like a victim in a case.  Clearly he was upset to see his info, which I don't think we were to surprised from considering how this was dealt with.  But depending on what people do with this for will be the problem.  I want those who take legal action to have one less hurdle.  I don't its the info that will cause problems, but what it could lead to.

If people are use it to call up neighbors, wife, wife's co-workers, etc.  Sure it will make Amir's mad but will give him something in court to make him appear to be a victim.  And I am still for the miner, I want you to get your money back.  Even ones that have disagreed with me about TH I still don't want to see get screwed over more.
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September 30, 2013, 02:07:07 PM
I do agree about those posting all Amir's info, even though he is in my opinion a horrible business man.

I didn't see this part the first time I read your message, but let me state a couple things in response to that. All of the information posted is public information, and is published on government or publicly available websites. The information was meant to help people locate Amir or Justin in order to serve them papers since they did not leave any forwarding address, nor provide any means to contact them.

When a business takes that much money from customers, and folds up shop with no known refunds given voluntarily to date, I think it's in the best interest of the entire community to know as much publicly available information as possible. I will also remove any information that I am requested to do so, if someone feels that it is inappropriate, or is not needed as long as TH provides information on how to reach them.

I see lip service so far, actions are what people want to see.

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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
September 30, 2013, 02:02:25 PM
Nothing but 100% refunds to everyone this is owed is good enough, neither should it be for any of you either.

Amir, Justin, other principles at TerraHash, your customers, this community owes you nothing! If you took their money, then you owe it back, period, full stop, end of story.

As I have been asking for since June.... Send out the refunds!
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September 30, 2013, 01:59:50 PM
"Karma"?

It amazes me how otherwise perfectly intelligent and rational people ascribe to this superstition.

This matter aside, here is a case in point:

Christianity:

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

My $.02.

Wink

I agree with you, I used Karma as an example but not based on my own beliefs. It has been fun watching Atomic use it for his trolling. I also have no interest in any religion of any kind.

While I'm sure it might feel nice to have some sort of conversation regarding this or any other off topic for this thread issue, this thread is for gathering information about Terrahash.

If anyone not providing additional information about Terrahash can refrain from posting that would be great.

Information Gathered so far about Terrahash:

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4305/qcpn.png

Their Registered Agent:
CORPNET, INCORPORATED
340 N. Westlake Blvd. Ste. 210
Westlake Village, CA 91362

Office Address:
1800 Wyatt Drive, Suite 15
Santa Clara, CA 95054

Known Residential Addresses:
366 S MARY AVE
SUNNYVALE CA 94086

853 AMES AV
PALO ALTO CA 94303

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PROPERTY ADDRESS    366 S Mary Ave
Sunnyvale, CA 94086
OWNER NAME    Rhyu JungWon,  Rhyu Jermsoon
OWNER MAILING ADDRESS    853 Ames Ave
Palo Alto, CA 94303

JERMSOON RHYU (60 years old)    (408) 738-8494

Jungwon W Rhyu
http://www.linkedin.com/in/jungwon
AGE: 60 years old

RELATIVES:
Cara Rhyu
Jermsoon Rhyu
Christine Rhyu
Diane Rhyu
Aejie Rhyu
Jeimsoon Rhyu

Address 1:
366 S Mary AVE
Sunnyvale, CA 94086
(650) 813-0332


Address 2:
853 Ames AVE
Sunnyvale, CA 94086


Address 3:
853 Ames AVE
Palo Alto, CA 94303
(650) 493-7160

Previous Locations:
Sunnyvale, CA
Palo Alto, CA
Los Altos, CA
Mountain View, CA


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Not Confirmed

Court Schedules
http://dockets.justia.com/search?query=Amir+Khan&state=california

Portston, Inc. v. Amir Khan, et al Has Decisions
Filed: July 8, 2009 as 3:2009cv03086
Plaintiff: Portston, Inc.
Defendants: Amir Khan and Naytab, Solutions, Inc.

https://i.imgur.com/7QzrXpT.png

Sou Kousonsanong
Amir A Khan Sr
87 Burnham Pl
Fremont, CA


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CloudHashing

http://www.coindesk.com/terrahash-opens-asic-mining-preorders-loses-business/
If you paid via PayPal and want a refund...  LISTEN UP.

If you did not open a dispute within the 45 day window and you call PayPal... They will (9/10 times) deny you any kind of refund and say it's impossible as after 45 days their terms of service says they are not able to provide a refund.  That statement is sort of true.   If there are exceptional circumstances, PayPal WILL give you a full refund.

I got a refund from PayPal, today, for every order I placed  (If you ordered any TerraHash boards through me - you have been refunded too).

Here's how:

Call PayPal.  Get the fraud/dispute department.  Tell them you understand you are outside the 45 day window.  Tell them about TerraHash.  Tell them you and a lot of people online have been scammed by TerraHash.  Explain what TerraHash is doing and how they ave taken hundreds of thousands from PayPal users. shipped nothing, and will not reply to any contact attempts.  Ask to open a claim even if it's outside the 45 day window.   They may close your claim automatically, siding with TerraHash.  Call them back!

Especially mention the high dollar value.  Every time I dropped the amount of dollars that TerraHash took via PayPal they go get a supervisor.

If they refuse your refund, call again.  Talk to someone else.  Ask to talk to a supervisor.

If they refuse your refund, call again.  Talk to someone else.  Ask to talk to a supervisor.

I talked to a guy in the fraud department named Aaron, employee ID 45731.   He and his supervisor got my money back from TerraHash and he told me today, that he will do his best to help anyone else who can't get their money back from TerraHash.

So, PayPal tells you no?  Call again, get Aaron on the phone, tell him your story.  



If you are still within the 45 day dispute window.  Filing a dispute now will get you an extra 20 days of guaranteed refundability if TH doesn't ship, if not even more.  With no downside.   So on your 44th day, file a dispute.



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September 30, 2013, 01:51:18 PM
Patience is a virtue
Now, you can either be content with the turnout of the whole fiasco and stop attacking me personally, and wait for your refunds. Or, you continue accusing me of being a scammer, and continue publishing my addresses publicly and tarnishing my image. Its up to you. Some of you have already done a lot of irreparable damage, not just to me but to all the TerraHash customers. And please remember, that there is only so much that I can take. If pushed into a corner, I will defend myself.

I do agree about those posting all Amir's info, even though he is in my opinion a horrible business man.

This is something that I agree shouldn't be needed however, when Terrahash does not answer their work phone, personal cell phone, email, tickets, Private message on the forum, or provide a forwarding address for their office, then it becomes an issue.

Everything that has been done so far is a direct result in having zero communication with your customers, if communication was had a lot of this information could have been avoided from being posted but we need to give customers a location on where to send papers to Terrahash.

If Terrahash would like to reply to this post with an address and contact information on where to send letters then I will remove other addresses in my posts as they would no longer be needed. Does this sound like a good resolution?

I believe we're beyond attacking Terrahash at this point. Obviously they caused a lot of people grief here, and are also experiencing a lot of issues, whether self-inflicted, or not. If they can finally agree to more frequent scheduled communication updates, we should all lay off attacking them, placing blame, or whatever. The obvious frustration in the post that they finally made was clear, but again, this has gotten to this point because quick posts are made, and then no further information is given and promises are not followed through on.

Pictures are not something anyone should care about at this point, I would expect that they would provide information on purchases and open their books up to those that they owe money to. Instead of generalities, lets hear the full list of what was ordered and a detailed view into where the money went. People are much more receptive to facts. In a previous post, it was made clear that many things were not ordered in advance.

These posts every 2-4 weeks are not going to work to delay anything anymore, and if those involved with Terrahash are truly concerned about their reputation, then it's time to put those that you owe money to first, and you'll see a lot more support and understanding by doing so. I would imagine it might save you a lot of time in court as well. Given the past, this may not be a priority, however it would be wise to reconsider.

We all know they failed, we all know who backed them, and who did not, and we all know who was right and who was wrong, but the focus at this point should be getting those that lost money, significant, or otherwise, as much back as possible. If it can be done without lawyers, that would even be better, but this is up to TH to decide.

Very well said
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September 30, 2013, 01:49:16 PM
I believe we're beyond attacking Terrahash at this point. Obviously they caused a lot of people grief here, and are also experiencing a lot of issues, whether self-inflicted, or not. If they can finally agree to more frequent scheduled communication updates, we should all lay off attacking them, placing blame, or whatever. The obvious frustration in the post that they finally made was clear, but again, this has gotten to this point because quick posts are made, and then no further information is given and promises are not followed through on.

Pictures are not something anyone should care about at this point, I would expect that they would provide information on purchases and open their books up to those that they owe money to. Instead of generalities, lets hear the full list of what was ordered and a detailed view into where the money went. People are much more receptive to facts. In a previous post, it was made clear that many things were not ordered in advance.

These posts every 2-4 weeks are not going to work to delay anything anymore, and if those involved with Terrahash are truly concerned about their reputation, then it's time to put those that you owe money to first, and you'll see a lot more support and understanding by doing so. I would imagine it might save you a lot of time in court as well. Given the past, this may not be a priority, however it would be wise to reconsider.

We all know they failed (blame Yifu, poor business plan, trolls, communications, whatever), we all know who backed them, and who did not, and we all know who was right and who was wrong, but the focus at this point should be getting those that lost money, significant, or otherwise, as much back as possible. If it can be done without lawyers, that would even be better, but this is up to TH to decide.

Anyone currently pursuing legal action shouldn't let up until there are further questions answered, and those that haven't even picked up the phone to do anything about their loss, then they deserve to lose money. 
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September 30, 2013, 12:31:39 PM
Some points to consider before accusing us of scam:
1. We stopped taking orders as soon as we had enough orders to account for the chips we ordered. If we were a scam, we would have continued taking orders and could have easily raised double the money we did.
2. We spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on components, heat sinks, cases, boards, cables. For people saying that its "only a few resistors", look at the BOM provided by BkkCoins. It says components cost around $23 for a K16. And this does not include the heat sinks (~$14), boards etc. For each K16, the components including the heat sink, board, power cables, etc. cost us around $45. And we were prepared to assemble around 5,000 K16s (for 80,000 chips). There goes $250,000. Why 80,000 chips? We had ordered 40,000 of our own and had at least 4 other parties who were going to get their boards assembled from us. But guess what? Tired of the delays from Yifu, they all ended up getting a refund from Avalon.
3. We spent so much time and effort trying to source the really hard to get components. You can go read the Klondike thread where everyone is discussing the shortage of the PICs, the IR3895s, and others. But we have all the components, we even overpaid to get some of them. Show me a scammer who would do that.
4. For the components that even we could not get, we invested a lot of time to search for alternates. For example, the Power Inductor 38L361C was not available anywhere, so we instead bought SPM10040T-R36M170. But the latter was not pin compatible with the former. So we ended up changing the circuit board. I will publish the updated KiCad files. Would a scammer go through all this trouble? Anyone with half a brain can answer this.

If we were a scam, we would have disappeared on June 20th.

Why going out of business?
I am really sick and tired of all the scam accusations. I appreciate all the negative criticism that the community does, resulting in catching scams in early stages in order to protect the newer members of the community. But baseless scam accusations from day one have taken their toll on our company. The FUD spread by a few members (along with the delay from Yifu) lead to a lot of refund requests. The result of which was that, if we continued with the project, we would have been left with inventory worth hundreds of thousands of dollars in our hands. And it would have been almost impossible to sell it at a price where we could even break even. Even if nobody asked for a refund, we would still have been left with about $125,000 worth of useless components (read point 4 above). But with about half of our customers asking for a refund, we would be stuck with another $350,000 worth of inventory that we couldn't have sold for more than $150,000, putting us under red for over $300,000. I am sorry, but I am not running a charity. It made much more sense to ask for a refund from Yifu and pay back as much as possible, without going into debt.

Why only a 50% refund?
With people who paid with PayPal taking a 100% refund, it leaves a lesser share for everyone else. I am sorry, but that's how it is. We do not want to be owing hundreds of thousands to PayPal. Also, with some customers contacting our bank with fraud accusations, Chase has shut down our bank accounts. In my opinion they were just looking for an excuse. They have already contacted us in the past, asking for more information about our business, just because we were a "Bitcoin related business."

Patience is a virtue
Now, you can either be content with the turnout of the whole fiasco and stop attacking me personally, and wait for your refunds. Or, you continue accusing me of being a scammer, and continue publishing my addresses publicly and tarnishing my image. Its up to you. Some of you have already done a lot of irreparable damage, not just to me but to all the TerraHash customers. And please remember, that there is only so much that I can take. If pushed into a corner, I will defend myself.

Post pictures of all these components.  You claim hundreds of thousands of dollars in components.... if these cannot be returned are you just keeping these?  You should be selling even at loss and giving money to those who you still owe cash.  

Also you are a horrible business. You were the worst company I have ever dealt with on customer service.  Your periods of quietness did not ever add up. You should have seen these problems long ago and changed direction, don't blame anyone else for your failure.  I think it is safe to say this will be your last time working in bitcoin industry.  

I do agree about those posting all Amir's info, even though he is in my opinion a horrible business man.  And in my opinion took salary far longer then anyone should have in this situation (again just a guess), are you still taking salary Amir?  But you should go after him in court if you do, your lawyer will have much better info then what will get posted here.  All the posting his info in public sadly will give him a excuse of saying he was harassed, etc in court.  And that is just a guess that many of you will end up in court with TH. (But to those of you who did that.... it does show you did find something that got to him and that is rare it has seemed)
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September 30, 2013, 11:58:49 AM
Shipping prices were out of hand. My shipping charge was $240.00 for a 9 blade DX large.
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September 30, 2013, 11:36:48 AM
Even if nobody asked for a refund, we would still have been left with about $125,000 worth of useless components (read point 4 above). But with about half of our customers asking for a refund, we would be stuck with another $350,000 worth of inventory that we couldn't have sold for more than $150,000, putting us under red for over $300,000. I am sorry, but I am not running a charity. It made much more sense to ask for a refund from Yifu and pay back as much as possible, without going into debt.


Yifu refund of (4) Groups would be BTC3120 - ~$396,000
(Coinbase Price is ~$127/BTC)

+ $150,000 max for selling all of the components

= $519,000 (I am assuming this is the 50% that you can refund) so there would have had to be ~$1,000,000 of pre-orders taken.

+ Since 20-25% of each order was "Profit", so it should be able to be refunded - ($200,000 - $250,000)
Also 20-25% was our average profit per order. So even with option 'b', we are willing to make 0 profit from this whole Avalon saga, just for the sake our next project and to maintain long-term credibility for our company.

= ~$750,000 should be available for refund in USD or BTC (I don't have a preference which one it is)


So with all of that, 50% is the best that can be done for all customers? It's hard to believe right now. If anyone sees anything wrong with these numbers please let me know.

I also forgot to put in that a lot of people paid Shipping Fees that should be refunded in full since nothing was shipped, that money couldn't have been spent anywhere else.
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September 30, 2013, 11:08:04 AM
hi bar well i suppose i was having some fun and trolling and poking fun at all those idiots who still trust that terrahash will refund their 50%. i suppose you finally got it right but it did take some time.  by the way what is going to happen to the poor sole whou paid you 150btc which is now worth $20k.

are you going to refund him or just blame it on terrorhash.  was the poor sole wise enough to pay via escrow or did he just trust you entirely.  if yes he deserves to lose his money.  that will teach him a life lesson

The order has been physically transferred to him, so he owns the order in its entirety (one of the perks of visiting terrahash in person back in july)

However, I am working towards getting a refund from Terrahash that will go directly to him since it was my payment that was made (He obviously can't ask my bank for a refund). I kept him well updated on every process I've gone through. If we end up only getting 50% then the full 50% would go directly to him (I'm sure Terrahash would contact him since the order is under his account)

No one deserves to lose their money, not even the trolls that frequent this thread.
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September 30, 2013, 10:57:23 AM
well i am going to do a gamble.

I will double anyones money who gets a 50% refund so in effect you will get 100%.

if you don't get the 50% you only need to give me 10%. of your order.

I think its fair

its a super offer for all of you out there who still trust terrrorhash.  you keep on asking for dates of  a refund  .  as if when he tells you a date it will be then and there.

anyone interested pm me john k   escrow. Grin

I'm not interested but others might be, a few questions regarding your offer.

Is there a cut-off date? If not then when would anyone be liable to pay the 10%.

What is the Cap of an order? Could you cover someone that ordered a Full DX-Large?

What happens if that individual gets a refund by other means. Bank/PayPal/Credit Card. Do they owe you 10% or is the deal just nullified?

I assume you would have to put up the 50% in escrow once the "Deal" has been made correct? As the other individual would have to put up the 10%.




well ok you are not interested as you already sold a dx large for 150btc as per your thread (see my earlier post)  equivalent to $20000

1 cut off date 2020
2 the only cap is as much as terrorhash was prepared to take into their coffers
3 bank / paypal / credit card then obviously the credit card would pay the 50% as they are doing the refund cmmon  Huh
4 no one has to put anything anywhere if you feel that you need john k that that is fine

 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



hi bar well i suppose i was having some fun and trolling and poking fun at all those idiots who still trust that terrahash will refund their 50%. i suppose you finally got it right but it did take some time.  by the way what is going to happen to the poor sole whou paid you 150btc which is now worth $20k.

are you going to refund him or just blame it on terrorhash.  was the poor sole wise enough to pay via escrow or did he just trust you entirely.  if yes he deserves to lose his money.  that will teach him a life lesson
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September 30, 2013, 10:14:20 AM
well i am going to do a gamble.

I will double anyones money who gets a 50% refund so in effect you will get 100%.

if you don't get the 50% you only need to give me 10%. of your order.

I think its fair

its a super offer for all of you out there who still trust terrrorhash.  you keep on asking for dates of  a refund  .  as if when he tells you a date it will be then and there.

anyone interested pm me john k   escrow. Grin

I'm not interested but others might be, a few questions regarding your offer.

Is there a cut-off date? If not then when would anyone be liable to pay the 10%.

What is the Cap of an order? Could you cover someone that ordered a Full DX-Large?

What happens if that individual gets a refund by other means. Bank/PayPal/Credit Card. Do they owe you 10% or is the deal just nullified?

I assume you would have to put up the 50% in escrow once the "Deal" has been made correct? As the other individual would have to put up the 10%.




well ok you are not interested as you already sold a dx large for 150btc as per your thread (see my earlier post)  equivalent to $20000

1 cut off date 2020
2 the only cap is as much as terrorhash was prepared to take into their coffers
3 bank / paypal / credit card then obviously the credit card would pay the 50% as they are doing the refund cmmon  Huh
4 no one has to put anything anywhere if you feel that you need john k that that is fine

 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



150 BTC at the time of the deal was $15,000 and was before first anticipated delivery of the unit. Your accusations hold no water.

But back on topic,

1. Your cut off date implies that you would not receive the 10% for a little over 6 years.

2. Your cap implies that you have over $500,000 to spend on this "bet"

3. By not putting "anything anywhere" you are most likely not going to uphold the end of your deal.


Now based on all this, I'm going to assume you are trolling. If so then you got me! Congrats!, otherwise if you are not I'd be very cautious doing any dealings with this individual based on information so far.
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