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Terrahash you should check out this thread, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-avalon-asic-chips-0391-btc-per-chip-half-off-retail-price-273887 ,  avalon chip order may 5th, for HALF price . altho could be scam :0

Silvas, you're comparing a massive player in a huge global industry with an established supply chain to TH. That's batshit.

I'll ask for a refund, WHEN Terrahash can't apply within the agreed deadline; i.e. 2 weeks after the chips ship. I'd give Sony or Gamestop the same faith.

TH did take a risk. They allowed us to buy with PayPal. They haven't broken their promise of deliveries 2 weeks from the date the Avalon chips arrive. August 15 has come and gone but of no fault of TH. The bad guys here you all that are pulling out.

Rule #1 of bitcoin, don't in money you aren't willing to lose .

Oh and by the way - after an amount of time you'd ask gamestop for a refund but only because you know they have recourse with sony.  Guess what?  TH has recourse with Bitsyncom.  WE DON'T.
So are you saying that if Sony wasn't a huge corporate giant, you wouldn't ask for a refund?  You'd seriously be ok with losing your money and not getting your merchandise, just because well gamestop doesn't really have any recourse against their supplier so I guess I'm just boned?

As for your sympathy, I neither asked for it nor desire it nor does it mean anything to me.  I don't need anyone's sympathy - I won't get my merchandise, but I will get my money back.  From there, it doesn't matter.

Explain how it is in any way shape or form different other than in scope of the company size.
It's not.
Terrahash is a business.  They are selling a product to a customer, and they are pinning that on bitsyncom delivering to them.
In my example
Gamestop is a business.  They are selling a product to a customer, and they are pinning that on Sony delivering to them.

The ONLY difference is the size of the businesses involed, which does not make it apples and oranges.  It is the same situation being played out across both.

And try some reading comprehension.  The example I put up clearly TH would be equated to gamestop, not to sony or sony's supply chain.  Bitsyncom would be the one being equated to sony.  but again, the only difference is scope.

Apples and oranges, buddy. But to acquiesce to your dumb little game: If there was a known (and incredibly well publicized) hold-up with a key PS4 component, such as oh, say, a chip from a single source manufacturer, you bet I'd just stfu and be patient. After an amount of time had elapsed I'd aks Gamestop for a refund - but I'd only do this knowing that they had recourse with Sony - a big brand bound to respect relationships with its distributors - and in turn that Sony had recourse with its suppliers, being a large established corporate giant.

To pretend that Terrahash is Sony, or any part of their supply chain, is laughably disingenuous. Guess now I can see how you got yourself in this situation. My sympathy for you is drip drip drippin' away.

I tend to equate it more with the typical issue of such and such doesn't bother me so it shouldn't bother anybody else.
I've never said anybody else should get refunds or be pissed at TH or be mad or anything.  I've not once said that anyone should share my opinion; only recognize that those of us who choose to use the relevant laws and regulations for their intended purpose aren't doing anything wrong.
It's a little off-putting to have the other side keep insisting that those of us who recognize and acknowledge that the situation isn't TH' fault but that doesn't change the fact that we aren't willing to sit back and lose our money are doing something wrong, or are assholes, or whatever.

It's also a bit mind boggling the apparent attitude people have that 'we took the risk' and don't seem to think that any risk should be borne by TH- yes we took a risk.  We took a risk that merchandise would be delivered late or not at all, but that risk was tempered (for those of us in the US) by consumer protection laws that say we are entitled to 100% of our money back if we don't get our merchandise.  TH is looking to profit as a business; that means taking the risk that your supplier doesn't deliver, your project fails, whatever and you have to return everyone's money.

Why do they seem to think that TH should get a pass and be able to make a profit while bearing no risk, putting 100% of the risk on the customers?  I honestly can't wrap my head around it.
The only thing I can come up with is it's like the whole Apple/Android thing - some people are rabid about defending their chosen camp

Yeah I know plenty of folks who had to wait a long time for their ps3 pre-order because Sony didn't ship enough to the retailers initially. Noone burned down any gamestops.

We all knew there was a chance this thing would arrive late . That's the game in the bitcoin arena at the moment. Everyone delivers late. Not just TH. I still believe TH will deliver once Avalon does. Barking at TH won't make things magically appear so it's wasted effort.

They wont answer this because they are delusional, have no other recourse but to wait or they are simply to proud to admit they backed a lame horse.

Did anybody ever get Amir or Justins information and credentials like Bitcoinarama asked 3 months ago?

I'm legitimately curious - would you have the same opinion if, for example, you pre-ordered (and paid in full up front) say a PS4 from gamestop and they said no refunds, and then Sony didn't deliver PS4s to their customers, didn't tell anyone what what going on for weeks on end and then came up with some shaky excuses and went silent again and nobody had any idea when or even if the PS4s would ever show up?
Would you just sit back and say yo gamestop it's cool; I know it's not your fault and you've got my money, and I have no merchandise, but I'll just wait until who knows when?
What if the unthinkable occurred and the PS4s never showed up?  What would you do then?

 

No, I'm just now saying it.  I realized it quite some time ago, but was hopeful that chips would arrive.

I'm just surprised at how abusive people can be to someone who's really trying to make this bird fly...  We could all go through the proverbial tapes and forensically analyze and pick apart versions of truth.  But so far, TerraHash seems to be as straight shooting as they come.  I wouldn't worry about parts from Mouser or Digikey, those can be there next business day.  Asic chips seem to take a millennium in bitcoin time.

And with all the abuse, he's kept it professional.

And I guess waiting for the cows to come home seems like the only thing one can do in this point.  Forcibly refunding seems dishonest to me; what else is there to do?

you just now realizing that...lol. I guess some are just content to wait until the cows come home" by golly!

Anger junkies are in force today... I don't know how some of you guys do it.

Glad to hear that things are about to move forward Amir. Thanks for the updates. I've got my gear ready to put those boards to work.

wtf - this thread sucks.

he doesn't have chips...  how are you going to get your order? 

chips have been ordered.  when he receives them, you will get your order in two weeks from the delivery of the chips.

besides that.  what the fuck is everyone bitching about?  you knew the risks going in.  pull up your big boy pants and wait for the announcement the DHL truck has delivered the chips.

Purely a guess on my part, but the answer to this is probably "because it's none of your business."

TerraHash, Did Avalon not agree with you that they would have your chips delivered within 9-10 weeks from purchase? Has not that time-frame come and gone? I would like to know whether you have been in contact with the other group buy leaders in regards to some plan for seeking compensation from Avalon. Or have you been seeking such on your own? If so, is it possible for you to comment on the status of such conversations? If not, why not?  

yeah - I have him on ignore, too.... 

Yea, I saw how you did this on another thread to someone else, it was quite clever..  Now, we both know you're reading this, as you've demonstrated by responding to me before when "ignored" even when noone else quoted the message. Best of luck with your fight. I do wonder how your mind works.. "I'll show him, I ignored him.. He won't believe me unless I post screen shots". Frankly, I'm beginning to wonder how you would even turn an ASIC on.

He only knows one way of dealing with people that disagree with him. Since he cannot go toe to toe with them intellectually, he resorts to personal attacks.