Topic: Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history) - page 101. (Read 530660 times)

Really cool stuff, drakoin.  I guess the best thing to do until the fix would be to discover the pool and invite everyone to go for a swim so the wealth could be shared around.

But it's got to be someone who just jumps from coin to coin, as you say.  Otherwise, if it were someone who understood what ANC is doing, they would hold what they've got and score millions instead of thousands.

Check to make sure port 8850 is not blocked. Here is the direct link:

http://xpool.net:8850

I guess its already been said in other words but a logo with the guy fawkes mask on it is about as good an idea as a logo with a swastika on it.  Very interesting analysis above, by the way.

Ah, I see. Cool.

Yes, I had another look - it does always start running again, sure. And then left-over transactions do get processed.
The coin is really fully functional - just "stuttering". It is suddenly very fast, and then in a regular rhythm very very slow. (Still - much faster than a standard fiat bank - they need not hours but days for a tx )
The blockchain doesn't even get much bloated probably - because the slow blocks recreate the average of "3:42 minute block targets" ( = 420 blocks per day) ? Another non-existing problem, good.



Still, I was getting more and more fascinated. Irregularities are more interesting than smooth boredom :-)  All this is purely empirical, I haven't taken the time to look into the KGW code yet. I just did some preliminary data analysis - What else could I find out?  -->

The difficulty adjustment algo seems to have a strange pathology that it very suddenly increases the difficulty by a huge factor, from one block to the next one. (for an example, have a look at blocks 252656 and 252657 here http://abe.darkgamex.ch:2751/chain/Anoncoin?count=12&hi=252662). And it is such a strong jump that when the miners are leaving (and every clever miner should leave when there is suddenly a difficulty a hundred times higher) ... then it suddenly takes many hours, even half a day, for the next blocks.   That slowness brings the average block time back on track. And 2 or 3 blocks later, it's running fast like mad again. Rinse repeat.

As the programmers very very probably did not intend it to be like that   it looks to me as if the difficulty adjustment algo is getting gamed somehow. Different from, but comparable to an instamine. It happens regularly.

I call those 2-3 blocks 'difficulty-walls' for now - they can be higher than 6000, while the bottom in between can be as low as difficulty 25.

Right now we are on block 253261, the last 'difficulty-wall' was at 253140, the ones before at 253019, and 252898, and  252777, and 252657, before that at block  252534 ... - so the distances are 121, 121, 121, 121 blocks, 120 blocks, 123 blocks, etc ...  http://abe.darkgamex.ch:2751/chain/Anoncoin?count=1000  

Then the two or three SLOW blocks take 2 - 8 hours, usually.
The total time for the ~120 FAST blocks between two such difficulty walls has been 6 - 33 minutes.
That's the time in which 600 ANC can be mined in one go - with little effort.  One block every 3-16 seconds, worth 5 ANC.


Interesting phenomena. And still 20 full days time until November ... make me think now:  Why leave all that wealth flow into the pockets of that perhaps only one guy?   He would get 5 * (1440/3.42) * 119/122 ~ 2000 ANC per day, which -dumped at the current price- could mean almost 50000 dollars until then. Not much compared to the market cap of a million dollars, actually. (Perhaps that is the reason that this is not even perceived as a huge problem here? - which I found really odd when I encountered this first.)

Still, is there anything that could be done about it?   First I thought: What if I rent a few rigs now, in order to catch some of that seemingly-easy-to-harvest wealth ... BUT I need to be there in those few minutes, when all those ~120 blocks are generated, at ridiculously low diff. And then as soon as there is a difficulty-wall, while those 1-3 blocks with a 20 - 150 higher difficulty are mined (which takes 2 - 10 hours, seemingly) ... I have to stay away, and simply mine something else.  Where can I find such an algorithm?  Do I really need a special sgminer variant?  Or can I just use cgwatcher to switch?  But if I rent rigs, I could not use cgwatcher, only choose the pool - so do you know WHICH pool provides such cleverness? ... BUT then of course, the categorical imperative of Immanuel Kant comes to mind ... What would happen if more people used such an algorithm now?    

... very probably those difficulty walls would become even higher, right?  -->

I decided to have a longer look at the time series.  The peaks already seem to get higher indeed! The first plot shows the past 10000 blocks.



19/09/2014 00:41 - 10/10/2014 19:31 = 21.78 days
--> 3:08 minutes per block on average, that's pretty close to the targeted 3:42 minutes.

Actually: When did the raping appear first?  I only looked at the past few thousand blocks.  

Conjecture: The recent (re)appearance simply comes from the price surge. While the price was below approx 0.002 BTC/ANC, the problem always went away again - probably other coins were simply more profitable for that clever rapist (Isn't there a more neutral term?  Essentially he is simply harvesting money ... in a way that the source code of this coin allows.).  But then on October 6h, everyone went nuts about ANC https://cryptrader.com/charts/cryptsy/anc/btc and since October 7th, the stuttering hasn't stopped anymore.


The second plot zooms into the recent past, the last 11 difficulty-walls, within the last 1212 blocks.



08/10/2014 15:01 - 10/10/2014 19:31 = 2.19 days
--> 2:36 minutes average block time, only 30% too fast. Not a big deal.


N.B.: The x-axis is not proportional to date, but to block number - you can easily see the regular 121 block frequency. While ANC is getting raped, it is 'breathing' with a base frequency of about 10 / ( 2.19 * 24*60*60) = 0.00005 Hertz, and with very fast breath of about 0.3 Hz during those 119 highly profitable blocks. What a stuttering.  Here are examples for the 119 fast blocks:






Yes, because the leftover 7 - 47 transactions are then simply processed in the fast phases.


Speculation: The dumps might actually also happen exactly in those intervals?  You can check the times of the dumps yourself, I wouldn't be surprised if they always happen shortly after a fast blocks phase. There have been precicsely 4 dumps in the time span where there were 4 low-diff runs with 600 ANC each. But hey - that is speculation.



Thanks a lot.

And thank you strange coin, for these pleasurable nerdy hours, analyzing your unique heartbeat ...

 

EDIT: I started here and here, actually.

I get webpage not found when I click the anoncoin link

The one on the left looks good and I like how a bit of colour is brought in using the I2p and Tor symbols.

I'd like to say no offense but those are horrible. Headless guy logo is also outdated as is any association with the Guy Fawkes mask. Current logo is "ok" but looks very cheap and needs a modern update for the zerocoin release. I haven't wandered too far yet from the look of the original logo and I can also make this new one scale really well to small sizes. It's clean and modern and I'm still working on it.

Here's a comparison to the current logo. This is not my final design.

I agree. Like the anoncoin shirts from skai

http://anonmining.com/index.php?page=statistics&action=pool

Damn, look at those nice hashes.  Keep it up guys - the more people mining ANC, the less effect the multipools have on us and the quicker we crack these high diff blocks.

I quite like the updated logo, the logo on page #1. Just my 2c

A darker font maybe but with bottom edge of the font flush with the top of the bar where they meet.  So like the new dark font builds out of the triangle.  Not sure how it'd look in a small size though might be hard to read?  It may work better with just Anon rather than Anoncoin as you could do the letters bigger.  I like the question mark though maybe that alone could be used for something. 

Something like this.

I like the current logo.. just submitting a couple of ideas. If it's up to me, keep the old logo with headless guy!

I liked the old logo ANC started with, the headless dude and all that 

Those logo's look good I like the top one most I think it'd look better if it had some kind of robo or techie font instead of a gothic one.

we already have an updated logo...

I hope you don't mean bitcoin-style retargeting after a certain number of blocks, because that would be disastrous.

Hero!  It does help don't get discouraged!

It would be great if you find the time for the wiki page with different drafts . I hope that such a page would attract quality suggestions and help......

I am liking it !