Topic: Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history) - page 127. (Read 530660 times)
by "guys" i mean the doubting Thomas's among us
You are correct, I have a girlfriend who works as a consultant marketing psychologist for big global corps, and i discussed the idea with her a while back but, basically, ZKPs, it's a great but you cannot sell something with "zero" in it, it will not sell, zero implies nothing/loss and so humans feel no desire to be there.
What the hell was the coca cola company thinking when they made coke zero? Or maybe because zero implies no calories, kind of like how zerocoin implies no trace?
She consulted to them and i will ask tomorrow !
deletion ...
Seriously, on Trust, trusting anybody anywhere with anything.
Can you imagine all the millions of alternately modified bitcoin clients out there spamming the network looking for cracks in it?... where there's money involved there's scammers like flies to shit. Can you imagine the heat banking websites get from wannabe intruders ?
Look at bitcoin, swarms of thieves and scammers surrounding it for years and afaik, nobody has really stolen a penny because of a protocol failure (lately), it seems totally bombproof to me. Hell, how many cpus are trying to find wallet private keys as we speak ? squillions.
Now, ANC, despite being a mature altcoin for more than one year, will need to show that zANC works, does what it should and no more. The more discussion of the rsa_ufos, ZKPs, accumulators, whatever, then the more chance of critical eyes finding flaws in the zerocoin swapping concept.
progress is happening, perfection will not be immediate i am sure.
Look guys, buy ur anoncoin, and stfu !
You are correct, I have a girlfriend who works as a consultant marketing psychologist for big global corps, and i discussed the idea with her a while back but, basically, ZKPs, it's a great but you cannot sell something with "zero" in it, it will not sell, zero implies nothing/loss and so humans feel no desire to be there.
What the hell was the coca cola company thinking when they made coke zero? Or maybe because zero implies no calories, kind of like how zerocoin implies no trace?
who drinks that shit anyway...
You are correct, I have a girlfriend who works as a consultant marketing psychologist for big global corps, and i discussed the idea with her a while back but, basically, ZKPs, it's a great but you cannot sell something with "zero" in it, it will not sell, zero implies nothing/loss and so humans feel no desire to be there.
What the hell was the coca cola company thinking when they made coke zero? Or maybe because zero implies no calories, kind of like how zerocoin implies no trace? I don't think it's the zero part of zerocoin that makes it confusing, it's the coin part. Sounds like its own coin instead of a protocol.
We are trusting Gnosis et al to kick arse here and they will, so get real, stick with us and own some ANC, else do your own thing elsewhere !
Yes trust him. You will need much trust to retrieve your minted zerocoins. I hope for you he is not paid by the NSA to put backdoors on the accumulators!
Well, all of us that are suspicious can look at the code ourselves and check that there's no monkey business before we compile it and use it in the network; the beauties of open source.
And, if your not able to do it yourself then you need to trust someone else :-)
That's why cash is better for some !
99% of the users have no skills to find a smart implemented backdoor and 99% will never compile it from the source. They will use the pre-compiled file.
Gnosis can steal all your minted coins long time before someone find the backdoor.
EDIT: Maybe this is why he want to remain anonymous
You know ... if you don't trust anybody I would not want to be you on this world.
I'm very sure you don't have the skill to read code like a professional, that being said i don't know why you are even in the Altcoinmarket ... since every Altcoin is forked and altered in the developers way. So I ask myself. Why are you here if you don't trust anybody?
Why are you not visiting castles, make a hike with your girlfriend, watch tv, gather some mushrooms for cooking, read a good book ...
EDIT: I'm sure you won't answer this question really ...
As I say before, I'm an early adopter and hold still a significant ANC amount. Human intelligence allows us to think for ourselves and to question things. The problem with Gnosis: he is he totally closed, he want sheep and call others as troll. It's an easy way to flee the dialogue but it proves once again his incompetance and lack of transparency.
Okay RSA - what do you want to ask Gnosis?
If your questions refer to his real Name and personal information ... I am sorry, this is the internet ... I'm wondering why Meeh is so public, it's good of course, but necessary?
Do we need to know who Satoshi Nakamoto is ... or do we love this guy for his creation of Bitcoin.
Ultimately ... the only important thing for a project is the code ... not the person behind it. To know more about the person is sometimes comforting but not needed for the code to work.
We are trusting Gnosis et al to kick arse here and they will, so get real, stick with us and own some ANC, else do your own thing elsewhere !
Yes trust him. You will need much trust to retrieve your minted zerocoins. I hope for you he is not paid by the NSA to put backdoors on the accumulators!
Well, all of us that are suspicious can look at the code ourselves and check that there's no monkey business before we compile it and use it in the network; the beauties of open source.
And, if your not able to do it yourself then you need to trust someone else :-)
That's why cash is better for some !
99% of the users have no skills to find a smart implemented backdoor and 99% will never compile it from the source. They will use the pre-compiled file.
Gnosis can steal all your minted coins long time before someone find the backdoor.
EDIT: Maybe this is why he want to remain anonymous
You know ... if you don't trust anybody I would not want to be you on this world.
I'm very sure you don't have the skill to read code like a professional, that being said i don't know why you are even in the Altcoinmarket ... since every Altcoin is forked and altered in the developers way. So I ask myself. Why are you here if you don't trust anybody?
Why are you not visiting castles, make a hike with your girlfriend, watch tv, gather some mushrooms for cooking, read a good book ...
EDIT: I'm sure you won't answer this question really ...
As I say before, I'm an early adopter and hold still a significant ANC amount. Human intelligence allows us to think for ourselves and to question things. The problem with Gnosis: he is he totally closed, he want sheep and call others as troll. It's an easy way to flee the dialogue but it proves once again his incompetance and lack of transparency.
You can see his code in Github. That should be enough:)
We are trusting Gnosis et al to kick arse here and they will, so get real, stick with us and own some ANC, else do your own thing elsewhere !
Yes trust him. You will need much trust to retrieve your minted zerocoins. I hope for you he is not paid by the NSA to put backdoors on the accumulators!
Well, all of us that are suspicious can look at the code ourselves and check that there's no monkey business before we compile it and use it in the network; the beauties of open source.
And, if your not able to do it yourself then you need to trust someone else :-)
That's why cash is better for some !
99% of the users have no skills to find a smart implemented backdoor and 99% will never compile it from the source. They will use the pre-compiled file.
Gnosis can steal all your minted coins long time before someone find the backdoor.
EDIT: Maybe this is why he want to remain anonymous
You know ... if you don't trust anybody I would not want to be you on this world.
I'm very sure you don't have the skill to read code like a professional, that being said i don't know why you are even in the Altcoinmarket ... since every Altcoin is forked and altered in the developers way. So I ask . Why are you here if you don't trust anybody?
Why are you not visiting castles, make a hike with your girlfriend, watch tv, gather some mushrooms for cooking, read a good book ...
EDIT: I'm sure you won't answer this question really ...
Let me ask you this ... Do you use Linux? Do you know what the software does you use? Every looked in the source? Or do you trust the developers you don't even know the names of
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We are trusting Gnosis et al to kick arse here and they will, so get real, stick with us and own some ANC, else do your own thing elsewhere !
Yes trust him. You will need much trust to retrieve your minted zerocoins. I hope for you he is not paid by the NSA to put backdoors on the accumulators!
Well, all of us that are suspicious can look at the code ourselves and check that there's no monkey business before we compile it and use it in the network; the beauties of open source.
And, if your not able to do it yourself then you need to trust someone else :-)
That's why cash is better for some !
An "Anon-coupon" I like,
Or why not "Anon-voucher" then
A coupon is something you receive for free to win discounts!We are speaking about a technological product. We are not in the supermarket!
You are correct, I have a girlfriend who works as a consultant marketing psychologist for big global corps, and i discussed the idea with her a while back but, basically, ZKPs, it's a great but you cannot sell something with "zero" in it, it will not sell, zero implies nothing/loss and so humans feel no desire to be there.
I understand your point of view but no one will use the minted coins to buy or sell products/services. Zerocoin is not a coin but a process to anonymize your Anoncoins. In all cases, there much more to do at this time than the GUI.
Basically, with zANC, Anoncoin will become, overnight, the go-to coin to anonymise your cryptocurrency transaction. period.
Roll your BTC into ANC and back, markets that need it will adapt to it very quickly.
This is one for those negative new accounts, they know who they are, and they are sniffing around being downers/incubuses on our thread:
It's not constructive to rag-off our resources, personally i have 30 years of experience with computers, Unix/C whatever, plus a BEng, and one thing i know for sure that creativity and desire to understand/learn/master gives immense motivation.
The zerocoin concept is do-able, believe it. It is not rocket science but requires smart competent minds that will not need to earn PhDs in the process of implementation either. Afaik we have that, not like all the pumped up salesmen and bullshitters out there on the jizz/jive/wannabe/jealous/pse-arsed altcoin threads.
What we're doing here is putting into reality a well defined solution, no big deal, possibly donkey work ( and "why hasn't it been done already" is another subject) .
We are trusting Gnosis et al to kick arse here and they will, so get real, stick with us and own some ANC, else do your own thing elsewhere !
It's not constructive to rag-off our resources, personally i have 30 years of experience with computers, Unix/C whatever, plus a BEng, and one thing i know for sure that creativity and desire to understand/learn/master gives immense motivation.
The zerocoin concept is do-able, believe it. It is not rocket science but requires smart competent minds that will not need to earn PhDs in the process of implementation either. Afaik we have that, not like all the pumped up salesmen and bullshitters out there on the jizz/jive/wannabe/jealous/pse-arsed altcoin threads.
What we're doing here is putting into reality a well defined solution, no big deal, possibly donkey work ( and "why hasn't it been done already" is another subject) .
We are trusting Gnosis et al to kick arse here and they will, so get real, stick with us and own some ANC, else do your own thing elsewhere !
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In the case of Zerocoin, though, everything is on track for testnet release on October 15, and mainnet release on November 1.
https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin/tree/zc/src/zerocoin
http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/09/18/can-anoncoin-be-the-currency-of-the-deep-web/
(good article despite zerocoin/zerocash typo)
An "Anon-coupon" I like,
Or why not "Anon-voucher" then
A coupon is something you receive for free to win discounts!We are speaking about a technological product. We are not in the supermarket!
You are correct, I have a girlfriend who works as a consultant marketing psychologist for big global corps, and i discussed the idea with her a while back but, basically, ZKPs, it's a great but you cannot sell something with "zero" in it, it will not sell, zero implies nothing/loss and so humans feel no desire to be there.
We need a catch-phrase that emits positive vibes, alternatives like Voucher or Coupon, imply value and usability, even if they're a bit corny, we need some more head-banging/brainstorming here.
I'll be having have her 'round tomorrow night and that's on the menu ...
abyss lovez the z'z imo the more z'z the more 1337
An "Anon-coupon" I like,
Or why not "Anon-voucher" then
A coupon is something you receive for free to win discounts!We are speaking about a technological product. We are not in the supermarket!
You are correct, I have a girlfriend who works as a consultant marketing psychologist for big global corps, and i discussed the idea with her a while back but, basically, ZKPs, it's a great but you cannot sell something with "zero" in it, it will not sell, zero implies nothing/loss and so humans feel no desire to be there.
We need a catch-phrase that emits positive vibes, alternatives like Voucher or Coupon, imply value and usability, even if they're a bit corny, we need some more head-banging/brainstorming here.
I'll be having have her 'round tomorrow night and that's on the menu ...
Interesting how you can create a new account, challenge the qualifications of a proven dev and even come right out and claim ANC is a scam without ever once saying anything about who you are or what your qualifications are. And we should take you seriously, troll?
Another interesting thing is how my auto-mechanic's tool set, which I use to work on my Mazda, has several tools perfectly suited for solving problems on my Yamaha- even though it nowhere says any of the tools were designed for working on a motorcycle.
Do you know anything at all about mathematics or computer coding? You seem completely ignorant. You seem to be a frightened little man trying desperately to protect the coin you have chosen and which you are now afraid will be eclipsed by the real thing.
So reveal to us, if ANC is a scam. which coin is better?
a) You are trying to build a consensus by distorting my position. I never said, nor implied that anc was a scam. The zerocoin implementation is extremely flawed and touches the level of scam.
b) Apparently Meeh felt pressured to implement a more marketable anonymity. He either walked or was led into a sort of trap. By now he understands no doubt that the zerocoin algo is not what he thought.
c) Gnosis certainly has competence in some areas, not in others. His final motive is not yet clear. Very obviously he is not a supporter of anc per se, but whether his intent is malicious is not clear. My best guess is that meeh mistakenly offered him a job that was misguided. Most people, if you offer to pay them well for something out of their league will happily agree. Offer a 5 year old a nickel to perform brain surgery and he will say "but i don't have a knife".
d) I am a long term holder of anc. I hesitate to sell what I have because I think it is a good coin, despite poor choices by meeh and others. I think anc developers are ahead of most others.
What is needed at this point is for the main developers of anc to step up. Stop pretending that zerocoin is going to be some great solution. If you want to choose a more anonymous algo then do it. If you want to develop one or pay to have one developed then do it. But the zerocoin nonsense has become farcical.
Let gnosis continue to play with those who want to play but do not let him bleed money from the simpler amongst anc supporters. He will continue accepting donations as long as the anc devs continue letting him pretend to be running the show. .Anc supporters need to get off the short bus, stop being so stupid. Use common sense.
Hm, well I know Meeh had some issues with the math being used.
Interesting thought though.
So you do believe that there will be no working testnet and if it might be a flawed tech which is not anonymous as described?
Keeps me thinking, though I trust.. and I like to believe.
I like zANC or Zerocoin, why not? If its confusing people will learn about it.
A wizard to turn the ANC to ZC is a great idea... additional information can be given in this wizard for making it easier for beginners to know what this even is.
I don't know if Gnosis has a plan for this
A wizard to turn the ANC to ZC is a great idea... additional information can be given in this wizard for making it easier for beginners to know what this even is.
I don't know if Gnosis has a plan for this
An "Anon-coupon" I like,
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Gnosis is not needed to answer this one, as it's a very weak claim. There will only be a handful of denominations (maybe one for each order of magnitude?), and one can only guess a given spend came from someone who has ever contributed to the pool of that denomination. As the number of people who contributed to a denomination only increases with time, the likehood the blockchain can be analyzed based on that information only decreases, rapidly becoming negligible.
There will be 24 possible denominations for 10^e and 5*10^e; I expect only the very highest several denominations will be used in the beginning. The Zerocoin GUI will show the number of coins accumulated for each denomination and the mint/spend volume over the last 100 blocks or so, allowing users to decide for themselves how anonymous their ZC mint/spend activity will be.
Relevant code: https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin/blob/zc/src/zerocoin/Coin.h#L26
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Anoncoin denominations are (in satoshis) either 10^e or 5*10^e where e is in [0, 11]
Gnosis, would you consider dropping the "Zerocoin" terminology, in the UI only, as it's not easily understood by newcomers? For a new user, it looks like there are two separate coins, Anoncoin and Zerocoin, which adds to the confusion. How about just calling them "vouchers" in the client? It's an existing, neutral word with a self-explanatory meaning.
In the future, I'd really like to see an anonymization wizard that entirely drops the need for a new user to understand or deal with Zerocoin, while leaving the possibility for advanced users to do so.
I like this voucher idea. Thanks for the update Gnosis. Looking forward to beta next month!
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