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sr. member
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Gnosis: Somebody asked what will happen when (eventually) Shors algorythm breaks RSA. As it relates to Anoncoin, the RSA-UFO will be factorable and a malicious party could mint bogus Zerocoins

that is a good question. Is there an estimated timeline for when Shors algorythm will have the potential to break RSA?
hero member
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Gnosis: Somebody asked what will happen when (eventually) Shors algorythm breaks RSA. As it relates to Anoncoin, the RSA-UFO will be factorable and a malicious party could mint bogus Zerocoins
sr. member
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Thanks for the update! How much funding is needed for you to work full time through the month of October also? Perhaps people here would be interested in pooling some funds together.

Well, the cost of living is high where I live... it would take about US$2750.
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Also, gnosis, post your BTC, ANC addresses please

BTC: 14QnfqVG3CqLGBYHgD8tPYJVLxQ2AfvPEx
ANC: AU4hFCFZLhB2gTyG4VbaEurXGrTMNW2nu6
To get the ball rolling, I will match every 1 ANC donated with 1 ANC. My limit is 2000 ANC and offer lasts until 1st October, e.g if people donate 2000 ANC I will donate 2000 ANC which makes the total 4000 ANC.

At current price 4000*0.0015= 6 BTC * $460 = $2760

Gnosis has stated that he needs $2750 to work full time on anoncoin/zerocoin for the month of October.

Let's do it!

Could you please start the ball rolling?

I think we have potential to join DOGE on the moon here. Before we contribute to the ANC rocket ship plan can we get a confirmation about our github code concerns? Instead of a 2 week delay can we wait to publish anything until we are ready for our actual moon launch?

I would hate to see another coin take our code while we are in testnet and launch to the moon before we can!





hero member
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Thanks for the update! How much funding is needed for you to work full time through the month of October also? Perhaps people here would be interested in pooling some funds together.

Well, the cost of living is high where I live... it would take about US$2750.
[...]
Also, gnosis, post your BTC, ANC addresses please

BTC: 14QnfqVG3CqLGBYHgD8tPYJVLxQ2AfvPEx
ANC: AU4hFCFZLhB2gTyG4VbaEurXGrTMNW2nu6
To get the ball rolling, I will match every 1 ANC donated with 1 ANC. My limit is 2000 ANC and offer lasts until 1st October, e.g if people donate 2000 ANC I will donate 2000 ANC which makes the total 4000 ANC.

At current price 4000*0.0015= 6 BTC * $460 = $2760

Gnosis has stated that he needs $2750 to work full time on anoncoin/zerocoin for the month of October.

Let's do it!

I'll donate 100ANC
TXID: edaa1c77a30df11f0913caba5feecc99b64201eacd361e6eb02ba84182d2907f
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Lean into the curves.
Some things to think about

1) People are pinning all their hopes on one person's work. What kind of track record does that person have? What have they actually produced?

2) Many other individuals, and groups are working on anonymous coins. It is very safe to say that many of those people are more experienced with altcoins and cryptography than gnosis.

3) It is silly for such a fuss about others stealing zerocoin from anc when anc took it, nearly complete, from others with no negotiation nor respect.


Hello all, I am Gnosis, the new member of the Anoncoin team; I will be implementing Zerocoin in Anoncoin. 

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We are very grateful for the excellent work of the Zerocoin people in developing the original Zerocoin, however they have apparently chosen to ignore our communications, for unknown reasons.  Fortunately, I have the knowledge needed to implement this without their help.  Cheesy


4) Also what happened to the idea of copyleft and similar supposed values? Anc basically has an undelivered algo, by an unknown developer, which will be ready at an unknown date, and people are pretending it is some prize that must be protected?

Of course if it turns out to be a useful product people will copy it, just as anc has copied extensively from others. That is not the problem. Rather the problem is that anc seems to have little other than this long awaited zerocoin. Is there something else that anc has? There are good pirates and there are bad pirates.

LMAO!  What's the matter?  Are you holding a bag full of pretenders?  

Thanks for demonstrating the fact that ANC is on the verge by creating a new account in order try to push ANC down.

I suggest you dump all your DRK now and get into ANC while you still can.

Or you can hope that we do not prevail upon the devs to hold the source just long enough to keep wannabes
from stealing it before ANC is on the main net.

Do you feel something great about to happen?
legendary
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Thanks for the update! How much funding is needed for you to work full time through the month of October also? Perhaps people here would be interested in pooling some funds together.

Well, the cost of living is high where I live... it would take about US$2750.
[...]
Also, gnosis, post your BTC, ANC addresses please

BTC: 14QnfqVG3CqLGBYHgD8tPYJVLxQ2AfvPEx
ANC: AU4hFCFZLhB2gTyG4VbaEurXGrTMNW2nu6
To get the ball rolling, I will match every 1 ANC donated with 1 ANC. My limit is 2000 ANC and offer lasts until 1st October, e.g if people donate 2000 ANC I will donate 2000 ANC which makes the total 4000 ANC.

At current price 4000*0.0015= 6 BTC * $460 = $2760

Gnosis has stated that he needs $2750 to work full time on anoncoin/zerocoin for the month of October.

Let's do it!
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Okay troll, this is my first and last reply to you, since I'll be putting you on my ignore list.

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3) It is silly for such a fuss about others stealing zerocoin from anc when anc took it, nearly complete, from others with no negotiation nor respect.
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Negotiation was not possible, since the Zerocoin team at JHU ignored my attempts to reach out for months, and I have credited them in the past, and will also credit them in the Anoncoin app when Zerocoin is released. Furthermore, they obviously no longer have a stake in libzerocoin, as they started from scratch to design a new system that they believe is better. I disagree with that belief since there is apparently no way to generate the parameters in a trustless manner, so I am building on their original system.

Also, it is not a trivial matter to add RSA UFO support (which I have completed a couple days ago), and integrate it into a working crypto-currency (which I am now working on). This is why no other coins have added Zerocoin, AFAIK.
sr. member
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Look Morty magic internet money
On a different tack ...

Is it envisaged that zANC transactions will have higher fees than a regular ANC-ANC transaction ?

It kind of makes sense if to get zerocoin anonymity there will be additional blockchain bloat and mining effort required ...

ideas anyone ?

yes like to know if there is a solution for this problem this is way this is why I only but a little some while ago. Also progress seemed really slow.
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I asked on IRC today about the current estimates, this is what he said:
Code:
[00:22]   TheKoziTwo: ZC is probably 4 weeks away from testnet
[00:22] the UFO server is probably a day or two away

So we were 4 weeks away from ZC testnet on June 20th and remain 4 weeks away from ZC testnet today.

What am I missing?

You are missing Patience and Realism my Friend

Gnosis had a full time job back then leaving little time for ANC. Now he is working on ANC full time (at least until Oct 1st) so he should be able to give a lot more attention to the project.

He also completed the UFO project as promised
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[...]
Also, gnosis, post your BTC, ANC addresses please

BTC: 14QnfqVG3CqLGBYHgD8tPYJVLxQ2AfvPEx
ANC: AU4hFCFZLhB2gTyG4VbaEurXGrTMNW2nu6
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There's a new king in the streets
On a different tack ...

Is it envisaged that zANC transactions will have higher fees than a regular ANC-ANC transaction ?

It kind of makes sense if to get zerocoin anonymity there will be additional blockchain bloat and mining effort required ...

ideas anyone ?
legendary
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Some things to think about

Many other individuals, and groups are working on anonymous coins. It is very safe to say that many of those people are more experienced with altcoins and cryptography than gnosis.

Also what happened to the idea of copyleft and similar supposed values? Anc basically has an undelivered algo, by an unknown developer, which will be ready at an unknown date, and people are pretending it is some prize that must be protected?

How is it safe to say that at all???  Also all that the community is asking for is that the ANC Zerocoin github is started to be made public in eight weeks time instead of two.  A brand new account posted the above quote too???  I think the followers of this thread should get used to the idea of lots of shill accounts also popping up in the thread to attack the coin.  Most likely long term fanboys and bagholders of other coins trying to release an anonymous coin.  A trustless implementation of the Zerocoin protocol has long been considered the holy grail of transaction anonymity.  The only other protocol that even comes close is the ring-signature technique of cryptonote coins like Monero.  The CoinJoin technique that most of these wanna-be 'anoncoins' are implementing is not really anonymous and only obfuscates transactions from simple analysis.
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I miss Dragon's commentary, thoughts? Cheesy

You can make jokes with me,
but you realize that ANC is more seriously hour by hour and that's more important  Wink

Thanks for your support!

 Grin
hero member
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Brand new with great skills for research.
We need trolls, but not respond to them.
Get back here with your real account, then many of us can respond you.
sr. member
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Moon?

Lot's of bullshit.


I must say, it is a promising sign of rising public interest with these brand new accounts who's registering just to take a crap on ANC. Someone is obviously frigthened.

Straight on ignore.
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There's a new king in the streets
I asked on IRC today about the current estimates, this is what he said:
Code:
[00:22] TheKoziTwo: ZC is probably 4 weeks away from testnet
[00:22] the UFO server is probably a day or two away

So we were 4 weeks away from ZC testnet on June 20th and remain 4 weeks away from ZC testnet today.

What am I missing?

You are missing Patience and Realism my Friend
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जगत् िमत
If someone here can make a nice catchy landing page, I can donate free traffic (~1.5k visitors/day) to raise awareness regarding the upcoming ZC launch.

Any takers?

Yes. Sure. A new design of Anoncoin.net is already there. We just have to implement it.

I was thinking of a promotional page, maybe with a countdown to ZC's launch on Oct 15th. It should have a simple message, like "Care about your financial privacy?" and then explain in simple terms ANC's implementation of ZC and why it's better than other coins. At the end of the page, a "Know more" link to ANC's main site.

If you do this, send me the link and I will bring lots of qualified visitors until launch.

Okay. I will update you on that. Thanks.
sr. member
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I asked our Twitter followers to express how they felt about the open source release date issue:

https://twitter.com/AnoncoinTeam/status/511480370152628224


I think this illustrates one of our significant challenges. ANC has a very small twitter following. None of the pump & dumpers discuss this coin. It has relatively held it's value @ 0.001+ which makes it difficult for market manipulators to accumulate lots of coins and play with the market. Another reason I believe is because most of us have the sink or swim mentality and just don't want to unleash what little coins we have to the sharks. The people who seem to still remember the coin probably bought in back when it was .008/.011 btc and have just stuck around knowing and understanding that this is one of the few coins that has competent developers who are passionate about what they are doing, believing in, and making. (I.e. i2p etc etc).

I understand the concern about wanting the coin to remain opensourced and think it should; but I also think  it should only be released as a finished product, one to help with ANC share adoption and 2 because as soon as the code is in the wild you will have tons of copycats. I'd like to see some slight success but sure that is motivated by the tenure of watching this coin slowly develop ove rtime. I miss Dragon's commentary, thoughts? Cheesy

I guess, if we had as successful a marketing campaign and an online presence this wouldn't even be a question. But we dont. There is little to no buzz about the coin, there are few to no paid shills advocating the merits be them true of imagined to the twitterverse. And so because of that I think a delay 2-6 weeks (preferably 6 weeks) makes sense and is more like a handicap to even the playing field. my .002 anc Smiley
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If someone here can make a nice catchy landing page, I can donate free traffic (~1.5k visitors/day) to raise awareness regarding the upcoming ZC launch.

Any takers?

Yes. Sure. A new design of Anoncoin.net is already there. We just have to implement it.

I was thinking of a promotional page, maybe with a countdown to ZC's launch on Oct 15th. It should have a simple message, like "Care about your financial privacy?" and then explain in simple terms ANC's implementation of ZC and why it's better than other coins. At the end of the page, a "Know more" link to ANC's main site.

If you do this, send me the link and I will bring lots of qualified visitors until launch.
full member
Activity: 189
Merit: 100
जगत् िमत
If someone here can make a nice catchy landing page, I can donate free traffic (~1.5k visitors/day) to raise awareness regarding the upcoming ZC launch.

Any takers?

Yes. Sure. A new design of Anoncoin.net is already there. We just have to implement it.
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