Topic: Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history) - page 138. (Read 530609 times)

Also please remember that Darkcoin did very out of keeping its Darksend closed source for so long.  it was in the top five cryptocoins by market capitalisation for a good while and it's still currently listed as in eighth place.  The ANC devs aim to have Zerocoin on the main-net in about six weeks time.  Why not start to release the code then with an eight week lag.  Instead of the two week lag starting on September the 17th.

Such a fork will be taken as such by those in the know.  At ZC release to main net, the first ZC released will be seen as the 'real' one by the masses.

This.

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It is not fair and a bit insulting to refer to the concerns of long time supporters as 'lunacy'.  We may not understand everything, but attacking us is.... well... lunacy. 

No one is suggesting changing to closed source.  All we are saying is that with so many copy cat devs working hard to capitalize on the work of our beloved developers, it might make sense to delay release of code until ZC is a working, proven project.  This is only to be sure that nobody can steal the work of our devs before their project is finished.

This is a very big deal.  This is history in the making.  I very much admire the desire to stick to principles.  Those principles are one of the main attractions.  But others who do not share those principles, and who have already in place very good marketing, might be able to steal the thunder before the lightning even strikes....  a couple of weeks additional delay would not compromise our devs principles, but could protect all the work they have already done.

It is worth thinking about.

Good luck to you guys, I have been rooting for Anoncoin to successfully implement Zerocoin, as I think it will be the most anonymous Cryptocurrency if you guys can do so. It is because of Anoncoin's attempt at Zerocoin implementation that I can't stand all the Monero shilling as being a sure bet.

I think if you guys successfully implement Zerocoin, you will be the Anon coin to beat. It is crazy to me that the Monero fan boys aren't the least bit worried about Anoncoin. I am not sure if they are just ignorant, or if they are trying to pump Monero up while they cash out. Either way it annoys me, so I have chosen Anoncoin as my most likely to succeed anon coin at this point in time. It seems Zerocoin implementation is imminent.

This. The ZC release is about being first. If ANC releases source code and runs it on test net for a while someone with no ethics will copy/paste and skip the whole test phase simply to be first. It's possible that it will fail, not being tested, or it can succeed. But there is no reason to give a typical ponzi scheme pump n dump coin this advantage. Once it's put on main net it should be open source and by then anoncoin will be recognized for being first mover and clones will fade into obscurity as ANC rises.

Also, gnosis, post your BTC, ANC addresses please

Yeah but they're not implementing a one month delay are they?  AFAIK they said they'd only be having a two week delay to opening the ANC Zerocoin github.  A one month delay would be better or maybe even the full six weeks until the devs plan to have Zerocoin on the main-net would be best.  There's already a slew of PnD coins promising Zerocoin in their IPO.  While I feel they waiting on every second until that github starts to go public.  Off course the coin needs to be 100% opensource to be fully peer-reviewed and to help the wider cryptocoin ecosystem.  Lets just make sure that Anoncoin gets all the credit first for developing it.  By having Zerocoin on the main-net while slowly releasing the github with at least a six week delay.  Would give plenty of time for Anoncoin to benefit from the first to market effect.  I haven't read from one major cryptocoin news outlet or blog yet anything about Anoncoin or even anything really about zerocoin itself in quite some time.  While this has been a major challenge for over a year now in anyone implementing a Zerocoin or Zerocash protocol.  And Zerocoin has long been seen as the holy grail for true transaction anonymity that so many cryptocoin'ers have been looking for.  Far more anonymous than the CoinJoin protocol of Darkwallet, Darkcoin, and Blockchain.info shared-coin.  Plus even more anonymous than the ring-signatures technique of cryptonote coins like Monero and Bytecoin.  I just feel that I want to make sure that Anoncoin gets all the credit where the credit is due.  Just let's all let the news get out and for Anoncoin to take the credit.  In about six weeks time when they plan to have Zerocoin on the main-net that should be pretty big news in the crypto world.  And a good time to start making the ANC Zerocoin github public for the much needed peer-review.  That's my feeling and opinion anyway although in the devs we trust.

I agree with you. I don't think anyone wants ANC to be closed source after main net launch. We are talking only about the current period before and during test-net. During that period trust is not an issue because main-net remains unaffected. We just don't want anyone to launch before us. Launching after us based on our code is both okay and unpreventable.

I think all of us agree that ANC should be completely open source once Zerocoin reaches main net.

Very well said abyss.

Yeah, maybe extending the two week time lag of the ANC Zerocoin github going public is not a bad idea IMO.  Maybe until it's at least on the test-net or possibly even until it's on the main-net.

What's the timetable for the myriad fork and have all three or all five chains been chosen yet?

Maybe it's not helping anybody to release code into the public domain that is bleeding edge.

it's only reasonable that exhaustive testing followed by proved take up into the Anoncoin mainnet happen under very controlled circumstances;
 - debugging is simpler if the testers are using an "approved" build of the ZC libs

A configure option --enable-zerocoin and if chosen the build expects a dll/shared lib to be available

Naturally, when it's proved to work 100% it's source gets released of course, but only after a few weeks of heavy duty zANC Xactions ... no apology's required for just being plain careful !

I'm quite surprised that everyone is keen on NOT opening up the Code to the public in a 2 week delay.

I like the idea more and more though.


@Gnosis, let's hear what you think after reading all these comments


On the one hand It might enrich Anoncoin by the people seeing the code thinking "Wow, that will be an awesome thing when it comes out" On the other hands .. copycats.
The fear of copycats outweighs I guess...

Just look at the number of Nxt clones that came out after it went open source.

I agree with everyone who wants to keep everything closed source atleast until launch, and maybe even some time after that.

It is 100% certain that there will be multiple copy cats with extremly good marketing and hundreds of shill accounts. The copy cats will have terrible distributon, which makes price manipulation extremely easy. The copy cats market cap will almost instantly be 10-100 x the market cap of anoncoin which will be forgotten.

Darkcoin have actually been genious when it comes to this. Darkcon is still closed sourced but they got a "celebrity" with his own youtube show to "review" the code. Great marketing and anoncoin could not be copied that easily.

Other coins will use our RSA UFOs if allowed. A FEW WEEKS IS EVERYTHING. It is imperative that we launch first as that will be a lasting marketing advantage long term.

Who copied who will eventually be forgotten (especially since any copycat it likely to mix in their own features) but who launched Zerocoin first will always be remembered and a lasting advantage.

I think that if we stick with our current plan, someone will fork everything while we are in testnet and launch a mainnet Zerocoin clone based on our work before we do. It will be scammy but it will hurt us severely and we may lose our chance to be the #1 Zerocoin based coin.

ANC can become a leading coin for anonymity technology, but only if we can get off the ground before others steal our work.

Why not at least run the testnet before we release any code? If it works properly then we can release the code just before mainnet launch and assure that we will be first.

I think that everyone needs to realize the following:

Anoncoin WILL be forked.

It won't make much of a difference if portions of the code are pushed to the public repository in advance or not. At best, you are putting off the inevitable by a couple weeks. Also, by forking the code, they will be able to use the same RSA UFOs that we generated (though I would consider that to be pretty scammy if they did... They could at least pick their own security parameters...).

The only thing that will save Anoncoin from copycats is that Anoncoin will continue to develop new features and products, whereas the others wont. Anoncoin started as a fork of litecoin, added i2p, formed the non-profit Privacy Solutions, and are about to add zerocoin. As you can see from this forum, more is on the horizon. How many coins have done anything significant after launch?

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4 month ago prices more than 100k.

I hope will stable at now.. at least 1 month.

Of course, i bought for watchlist prices and development..  

Just requested that poloniex add Anoncoin.