Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history) - page 146.

K1773R

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Quote from: GroundRod on August 31, 2014, 08:21:54 PM

Just noticed something else funny.... placing trades on cex.io for selling ANC, they won't let a value be larger than 0.01....must be pessimistic Shocked

That will change, they did the same kinda thing on IXC when first opening up trading, people didn't put in enough zeros on their buy orders...haha

Is cex.io this important? i always saw it as scam due to what they sold before (no more cloud mining scam?).

GroundRod

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Just noticed something else funny.... placing trades on cex.io for selling ANC, they won't let a value be larger than 0.01....must be pessimistic Shocked

That will change, they did the same kinda thing on IXC when first opening up trading, people didn't put in enough zeros on their buy orders...haha

GroundRod

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@CartmanSPC - Ya saw that too. Angry

Thanks for bringin it up, now curious about what other pools are also mining it that way and what the options are, the only one I would accept is no conversion. Will be checking in there once in awhile, and will keep a close eye on if that changes, had been several months since I even looked. Sorry to have forgotten to mention that in my post.

Suggestion for wiki mining pool page update:
Separate list for those pools which allow no conversion to other coins while mining...

SmokingSkull

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Quote from: CartmanSPC on August 31, 2014, 05:25:28 PM

The problem with mining at ghash.io is they auto sell ANC to BTC or LTC bringing down the price due to sell pressure Angry

The only coins you have to option not to convert are LTC, DOGE, FTC, AUR.

Also checked it... Angry

it makes me mad!

Although there are other cloudmining services ... : ) NiceHash or other alternatives.

CartmanSPC

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The problem with mining at ghash.io is they auto sell ANC to BTC or LTC bringing down the price due to sell pressure Angry

The only coins you have to option not to convert are LTC, DOGE, FTC, AUR.

GroundRod

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Quote from: johnp on August 31, 2014, 04:20:23 AM

Quote from: lunokhod2 on August 31, 2014, 04:10:29 AM

Quote from: johnp on August 31, 2014, 03:53:41 AM

Hi Can anyone tell me a decent pool to mine Anoncoin?

Thanks

Here's a list of pools that support anoncoin (maybe there are more):

Anoncoin mining pools

I've used fushionhash in the past without any problems.

Thanks for that I have already looked at those and they is hardly anyone mining them. The net hash is over 4G so they must be somewhere else

Decent, can't speak to that, however as cex.io has proven to me its comparably sound in the cryptoworld, I just happen to be exploring, this morning, their ghash.io multipool coins being mined, ANC is definitely there and actively being mined:
https://ghash.io/MULTI

Was going to update the wiki.anon page, and add it, then realized not just anyone can modify content, so there you go.

@lunokhod2 - Still digesting your massively great effort on the wiki!

@gostrol - Thanks for the update & anoncoin.conf settings, works like a charm for me!

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Quote from: Apraksin on August 31, 2014, 03:53:20 AM

This place was so much better when the new accounts had to spend some time in
the beginners section before they got to hang with the grownups.

Very true. They must be prevented from hanging with us.

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Quote from: Simcom on August 30, 2014, 07:51:09 PM

Quote from: matthewh3 on August 30, 2014, 03:54:21 AM

Quote from: lunokhod2 on August 30, 2014, 02:14:51 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on August 29, 2014, 08:39:08 PM

Quote from: lunokhod2 on August 28, 2014, 04:55:43 PM

Quote from: matthewh3 on August 28, 2014, 03:00:07 PM

Hi Matt, Cryptonight can be GPU mined - do a google search for "Claymore GPU miner" - I have been mining XMR for a few months with this miner and it works wonderfully (it is about 10-20x faster to GPU mine xmr vs cpu mining it (Per GPU) - this is probably why you see some miners with a really high hashrate.

Claymore isn't 10x-20x faster than CPU per watt. In fact per watt it works out about the same efficiency as CPU mining. An Atom C2750 can get 63H/s on four out of eight threads of a 20W TDP CPU. While they're even more efficient CPU's than that. Also there's no Linux or opensource ATI cryptonight miners still as of yet. While traditionally most cryptocoin GPU miners would have used Linux and ATI cards.

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I like algo change idea. As for now it is mostly for ASICs mining.
So coin loses the ability to attract new users.

Algo must be something that perfectly work with GPU and CPU, to exclude mass botnet mining and ASIC mining.
And transfer must be quick and simple, cause Zerocoin implementation is more important now.

Cryptonight is nice, GPU and CPU hash speed is not vary greatly, But I think it will not be easy task.
May be it will be simplier to go to something like X11, Myriad or Groestl.

johnp

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Quote from: lunokhod2 on August 31, 2014, 04:10:29 AM

Quote from: johnp on August 31, 2014, 03:53:41 AM

Hi Can anyone tell me a decent pool to mine Anoncoin?

Thanks

Here's a list of pools that support anoncoin (maybe there are more):

Anoncoin mining pools

I've used fushionhash in the past without any problems.

Thanks for that I have already looked at those and they is hardly anyone mining them. The net hash is over 4G so they must be somewhere else

lunokhod2

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Quote from: johnp on August 31, 2014, 03:53:41 AM

Hi Can anyone tell me a decent pool to mine Anoncoin?

Thanks

Here's a list of pools that support anoncoin (maybe there are more):

Anoncoin mining pools

I've used fushionhash in the past without any problems.

johnp

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Hi Can anyone tell me a decent pool to mine Anoncoin?

Thanks

Apraksin

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Moon?

This place was so much better when the new accounts had to spend some time in
the beginners section before they got to hang with the grownups.

shtako

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There have never been so many shill accounts and sockpuppets posting in this thread before as there is now. That only means that there are bagholders with shitcoins who views anoncoin as a serious threath. Rightfully so. As an advice to those clowns: even if you have lost 50-75% of your investment buying darkscam, vootscam, bytescam, cloakscam etc, its not to late to dump the rest and buy anc.

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Quote from: Simcom on August 30, 2014, 07:55:55 PM

I have been out of the loop recently, is there a new estimated time frame for ZC implementation? I noticed the nice fat buy walls going up on cryptsy and was hoping to hear some good news on here Cheesy

In two weeks™ an estimate of when zerocoin impl. will be finished will be given.

Simcom

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I have been out of the loop recently, is there a new estimated time frame for ZC implementation? I noticed the nice fat buy walls going up on cryptsy and was hoping to hear some good news on here Cheesy

Simcom

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Quote from: matthewh3 on August 30, 2014, 03:54:21 AM

Quote from: lunokhod2 on August 30, 2014, 02:14:51 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on August 29, 2014, 08:39:08 PM

Quote from: lunokhod2 on August 28, 2014, 04:55:43 PM

Quote from: matthewh3 on August 28, 2014, 03:00:07 PM

Going with Cryptonight Monero AuxPoW would just be handing all the newly hashed coins over to botnet 'owners'.

Could you describe what the problem with botnets is? I am admitedly ignorant here, but from what I understand, this is not a big deal.

If you look at Monero pools you'll see lots of miners with hashrates equivalent to 20,000 CPU cores and more and it wouldn't be profitable for people to buy or rent that many CPU cores. So they're very likely using stolen processor cycles from infected computers that are controlled within a botnet. Some large botnets can control the resources of up to a million infected computers without the legal owners of those computers even knowing. These botnets get to use the spare CPU cycles and memory of the infected computers. So adopting the cryptonight hashing algo would mean handing over the overwhelming majority of all newly hashed coins to a few small groups of criminals. Going with a GPU biased hashing algo would give dedicated miners an advantage over the criminal owners of botnets. Although if Anoncoin or the coins it merge-mines with within a myriad become very valuable. Then botnets will still target GPU biased coins just that GPU miners will have an upper hand. As even Bitcoin was still plagued by botnets in its GPU days at times. The only way to truly avoid the botnet problem is to use ASIC's. The only thing is though is that GPU's are more readily available to anyone who wishes to contribute to the network. A lot of people and especially the cryptocoin types will already have GPU's that they can use to hash with. While someone new to the game would find it a lot easier to buy or build a PC with a GPU fitted.
PoW is supposed to be about fairly sharing the hashed coins to miners who help secure the network. While the more individual miners a chain has then the more people who have a stake in that coins future. So therefore more fanboys to help evangelise the benefits of the coins. I'd suppose going ASIC would be fairer than going CPU only well at least it's stop criminals controlling the majority of the supply of all new coins.

Hi Matt, Cryptonight can be GPU mined - do a google search for "Claymore GPU miner" - I have been mining XMR for a few months with this miner and it works wonderfully (it is about 10-20x faster to GPU mine xmr vs cpu mining it (Per GPU) - this is probably why you see some miners with a really high hashrate.

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Quote from: matthewh3 on August 30, 2014, 12:55:00 PM

Quote from: dewdeded on August 30, 2014, 10:26:48 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on August 30, 2014, 03:54:21 AM

If you look at Monero pools you'll see lots of miners with hashrates equivalent to 20,000 CPU cores and more and it wouldn't be profitable for people to buy or rent that many CPU cores.

Can you please show two or three example, where this could/was be seen?

And please define "lots" so we understand, what you mean.

Check the stats of large Monero pools like this releativelly small Monero pool for example - https://minergate.com - One user with almost 70kH/s and ten users all above 6kH/s. While large botnets don't even need to use pools as they can solo mine on each node in the botnet while the sum of their work would be enough to solo mine easily. As ten-thousand nodes hashing at 10H/s (say on a CPU's that could max 100H/s on average if dedicated) will find the same amount of blocks as one node hashing at 100kH/s.

What is your best estimate for the percentage of work being done by botnets over at Monero?

It sounds like there is potentially ~140 kH/s at minergate. Lets multiply that by 10 to account for other pools and solo miners, which gives about 1.4 MH/s. The network hash rate is about 26 MH/s, so this comes out to about 5% of the total work being done.

Anything that is less than 10% wouldn't bother me at all. Given that there are probably several independent botnets operating, my guess is that Monero is probably very decentralized. In the worst case, you might be able to make the argument that botnets are about as "evil" as asics (in terms of centralization).

gostrol

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Quote from: Apraksin on August 30, 2014, 02:09:20 PM

Quote from: matthewh3 on August 30, 2014, 01:51:27 PM

Also these multiple other Zerocoin attempts are they following Anoncoin's lead with the zero proof of knowledge technique. Or have they not got to that stage yet and just plan on ripping Anoncoin developments straight off like a script.

Which makes me think perhaps it would be best to not post developments on github before the definite release of zerocoin, seeing as a lot of moochers will be ready to copy paste the goods.

They will need to compute the trustless RSA-UFO first... no intelligent people would accept a zerocoin with a non-UFO straight RSA number calculated by p*q.

BTW for those who needs it here is a list of fresh clearnet nodes replace in anoncoin.conf:

Code:

i2p=0
stfu=1
rpcuser=***username***
rpcpassword=***strong password***
server=1
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
rpcport=7882
daemon=1
gen=0
maxconnections=100
blockminsize=0
blockmaxsize=1000000
blockprioritysize=1000000
addnode=107.6.122.154
addnode=108.67.53.51
addnode=114.215.168.227
addnode=117.214.71.195
addnode=118.192.77.132
addnode=134.249.144.169
addnode=141.0.73.226
addnode=142.254.24.226
addnode=144.76.166.163
addnode=148.251.19.213
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addnode=173.76.153.185
addnode=182.92.183.58
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addnode=95.31.22.195
addnode=95.34.80.172
addnode=95.37.93.38

gostrol

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Quote from: Gnosis- on February 12, 2014, 01:06:33 PM

Zerocoin update!

Hello all, I am Gnosis, the new member of the Anoncoin team; I will be implementing Zerocoin in Anoncoin. Since an interested party has chosen to support this development financially, I will be able spend a lot more of my time on this. Expect a release for testing Zerocoin sometime in March!

This will be March 2015?

Several coins a week now are mentioning zerocoin in their pages. Is there anything better about your zerocoin?

And why are Anoncoin devs selling cryptonote? Cryptonote will appeal to approximately 0% of people. It is a deeply flawed and poorly conceived algorithm. Nobody needs or wants the type of secrecy cryptonote pushes and a currency without users, what use is it? All of the cryptonote markets are being artificially inflated. What is wrong with anc?

We are not selling cryptonote, we are just thinking of AUx-POW with the cryptonight algorithm.

Personally I think cryptonote lack anonymity, better than coinjoin (or dark send) but much inferior to a trustless zerocoin.

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