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Topic: [OFFICIAL FIRST GROUP BUY] BitMain Antminer S1 - 30 units - page 4. (Read 13610 times)

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I don't know who owns the Original Wallet at this time.  I assigned a new payment address for each one of you.  (Fresh Wallet)
For these I have control over for now

Re: How HARD is it to trace someone on bitcointalk?

Sushi, you are expert.
3 weeks old account.

Guys, stop funding this. Dont be greedy! You have 0 protection!
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Hi Bones,

I don't know who owns the Original Wallet at this time.  I assigned a new payment address for each one of you.  (Fresh Wallet)
For these I have control over for now.

I'm waiting Textplorer to wake up in the morning and be in touch to take care 2 guys/gals who already paid for the miners.

Yes, I understand the concerns about using the payment address I have control over.  As the group buy started it was a central address to pay.  In order to increase the security, I decided to assign each of you a new payment address.  So whoever want to see if it was paid or not could see it.  (After the payment, I will block a portion of your payment address)

OP received the discount for everyone for handling all the sale related duties to include the payment.  So as I stated in the update, I kept all the term the same with Bitmain.

Every order will be ship directly from Bitmain in China. On Page 4, Bitmain posted the comment.  Please check there for their words!!

Yes, I understand your concerns. Nothing wrong to have these worries, however, I'm not in a shoe to discuss further discount with Bitmain as this was already ironed out.

Bitmain did say, they don't mind selling the unites to the group buy but they don't endorse any group buy. 

If you don't feel confortable continuing, there is no hard feeling.  Please just let me know.  (I'll say hi when I see you and I will help your setup or any troubleshoot needs if you obtain AntMiner later!)

I wish I could walk away with 260 BTC but where I live, that is not even close enough to pay off Policia and lair(politicians) to live happily ever after... 

There are people waiting to be listed on the Reservation List.  If you don't feel comfortable, you are more than welcome cancel your reservation.

PS: bbxx, I haven't received your cancellation, so I still left you on the list. 

There is no questions asked to retract your reservation!  But, please be adult about it.  I don't go to your thread and then crash the party.


Hi Sushi,

Thanks for all of your hard work keeping the auction going...
I have a few questions please before i send funds, i hope you can answer as i know you were not in control at the start.


quote from textplorer

 I have no control over the wallet so all claims for refund should be directed to BitMain.

quote from bitmain

I hope OP refund the people who paid

1) so are we still using the same address or a new one, and who owns it? ( it being the original address funds were sent to )

2) is this not possible as im sure we would all feel alot more secure?  We all send funds to bitmain address, confirmed by them as theirs, they can then send you your comission.

quote from bitmain

we will ship 30 earliest units to where/who he demands

3) will miners ship from bitmain to us, can that be verified as the agreement by bitmain

im sure everyone would feel alot better if we could get some answers, i dont wish to be negative, but its good practise to be sensible with your wealth

bones




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Hi Sushi,

Thanks for all of your hard work keeping the auction going...
....
2) is this not possible as im sure we would all feel alot more secure?  We all send funds to bitmain address, confirmed by them as theirs, they can then send you your comission.

quote from bitmain

we will ship 30 earliest units to where/who he demands

3) will miners ship from bitmain to us, can that be verified as the agreement by bitmain

im sure everyone would feel alot better if we could get some answers, i dont wish to be negative, but its good practise to be sensible with your wealth

...

Thanks seconded again Sushi for stepping in and doing the right thing but bones and bxx are right you will end up with a wallet with a lot of money in it.

Addresses from bitmain get around the payment problem, direct ship to our addresses from bitmain should get around any trust issues.

+1

Please dont send btc until this will be resolved.
Vdragon scam was similar, group buy, old account, lot off bullshit, confirmation from reseller yxt.
He never sent btc to yxt, just keep for himself 260 BTC.


Read sushi posts, he created account 3 weeks ago... His most Interesting post
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3503328

Tldr How to escape with funds.

So, we got scammed and lost ~300 BTC. what now?

First, most important thing: reference
- reference thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/group-buy-please-read-1000-pcs-usb-erupters-euint-price-089btc-252180
- reference user: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vdragon-79855

Log:
[08 July 2013] user opens group buy and starts collecting funds
[19 July 2013] group buy closed, user says he will drive to yxt personally on 23.07
[2013-07-23 06:46:16] payment wallet gets cleared and funds going washed through a mixer
[23 July 2013, 8:08] he tells having his wallet not synced and moving his drive to next day
[23 July 2013, 11:01] last post, no communication after that point, not even a "heading out now"
[24 July 2013, 03:19:33] last seen online


There are some possibilities:
A: he is clean. still on the drive way or pausing in a motel without internet. and has a fucking reason pushing all our 300 btc through a mixer
B: was a legit member before and decided to do this scam shortly
C: scam was planned long before and so are all old posts fake and just part of a story (=we are screwed)
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Hi Sushi,

Thanks for all of your hard work keeping the auction going...
....
2) is this not possible as im sure we would all feel alot more secure?  We all send funds to bitmain address, confirmed by them as theirs, they can then send you your comission.

quote from bitmain

we will ship 30 earliest units to where/who he demands

3) will miners ship from bitmain to us, can that be verified as the agreement by bitmain

im sure everyone would feel alot better if we could get some answers, i dont wish to be negative, but its good practise to be sensible with your wealth

...

Thanks seconded again Sushi for stepping in and doing the right thing but bones and bxx are right you will end up with a wallet with a lot of money in it.

Addresses from bitmain get around the payment problem, direct ship to our addresses from bitmain should get around any trust issues.
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Paid right now -  transaction ID 645f8d26a37fb08f9f700601f949fb38da2cbd5fbb079e65fd1afa8ccb56c35b
Slesh
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Hi Sushi,

Thanks for all of your hard work keeping the auction going...
I have a few questions please before i send funds, i hope you can answer as i know you were not in control at the start.

quote from textplorer

 I have no control over the wallet so all claims for refund should be directed to BitMain.

quote from bitmain

I hope OP refund the people who paid

1) so are we still using the same address or a new one, and who owns it? ( it being the original address funds were sent to )

2) is this not possible as im sure we would all feel alot more secure?  We all send funds to bitmain address, confirmed by them as theirs, they can then send you your comission.

quote from bitmain

we will ship 30 earliest units to where/who he demands

3) will miners ship from bitmain to us, can that be verified as the agreement by bitmain

im sure everyone would feel alot better if we could get some answers, i dont wish to be negative, but its good practise to be sensible with your wealth

bones



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thanks for adding me too the waiting list.
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Just finished updating the group buy list and finished sending out PM to each one of you who is on the reservation list and the wait list. 

Thank you!
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add me to the waiting list for 2 please.
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Bitmain at this stage would like to sell units that they can ship not based on the speculation how many they may be able to ship but knowing they have the unites on hand before committing for sale..  So far, they did tell me they will ship 30 unites total directly from them in China.  However, I do have to continue to organize this group buy as it was setup before.  Yes, I feel like living in the Wild Wild West with Bitcoin World.  This is a lot of work and lots of questions, support and hate mail via PMs  Grin

Give me a few more hours to have the most updated status on the top of Page 6.  Once I could speak with the OP, I will request the update to be posted on the #1 Thread.  That will something I will ask.

Bitmain is still trying to improve productivity, they will not  give commitment easily untill they can offer enough units and confirm shipping date.

you can follow  bitmain official news via bellow three ways:

facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bitmain/602849346422962
twitter: https://twitter.com/BITMAINtech
Taobao : http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=36044366308

I can appreciate having product in hand before selling. Not very common in the wild wild west of Bitcoin.
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Bitmain is still trying to improve productivity, they will not  give commitment easily untill they can offer enough units and confirm shipping date.

you can follow  bitmain official news via bellow three ways:

facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bitmain/602849346422962
twitter: https://twitter.com/BITMAINtech
Taobao : http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=36044366308

I can appreciate having product in hand before selling. Not very common in the wild wild west of Bitcoin.
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 Bitmain is still trying to improve productivity, they will not  give commitment easily untill they can offer enough units and confirm shipping date.

you can follow  bitmain official news via bellow three ways:

facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bitmain/602849346422962
twitter: https://twitter.com/BITMAINtech
Taobao : http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=36044366308
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Put me in for 1.
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[Last Updated November 29, 2013, 03:20:00 PM]

Group Buy Update!

Scheduled Shipment Date Moved Up by 1 Day (See above from Bitmain)

Item: Bitmain AntMiner S1 180GH/S
Price: 4.25 Bitcoin
Expected Shipping Date: December 3, 2013 December 4 - December 7, 2013
Total Unit Available: 30 Units
Defective Blade Replacement Warranty: 90-days (for now...)
Payment will go direct to Bitmain & AntMiner will be shipped from Bitmain in China


Bitmain's Confirmation Time: November 28, 2013, 04:44:00 PM (UTC)
Reservation Expiration Time: November 30, 2013, 05:00:00 AM (UTC)


Bitmain's Post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3754292

PLEASE PM ME AFTER YOU MADE THE PAYMENT. 

I need your shipping name, full address with postal code, and a phone number.  E-mail address would be appreciated but not required.

A full payment within 36 hours from Bitmain's Confirmation is required to secure your spot! 

Any reservation that was not paid in full will lose your spot and it will be given to the members on the wait list. 

Members on the wait list who made it to the reservation spot will receive a PM from me and need to be paid in full by December 1, 2013  05:00:00 AM (UTC).  I will try to PM you guys right after the Reservation Expiration Time, but if I'm late, you will have 24 hours to complete the payment from the time I sent you the PM.

If more unites became available, I will upgrade members on the wait list to the Reservation List and I will PM you as well.

If you were upgraded to the Reservation List before November 29, 2013, 11:00:00 PM, your payment deadline is same as the regular deadline which is November 30, 2013, 05:00:00 AM

if you are on the wait list, please be ready to pay in 24 hours from my notification!

Direct Payment  to Bitmain Account: 1AiP5zXzs2FhFhhTzcZ8D2qBnW3PbH6gxt

For the partial payment as a deposit, please send the payment to the address next to your name.


#MemberVoteStatusTotal BTCPayment AddressComment
01novymivoSTAYCONFIRMEDBTC 8.50
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You are welcome to do whatever you want to do...  We are all adult here but please be reasonable.  You are FREE to retract your bids.

I'm sure the OP obtained the discount by managing the whole sales portion to reduce the workload of Bitmain.
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Bitman did say Sushi was handling the GB now.

So what?
Sushi can still scam bitman and group buy participants and delete his new forum account.
No protection at all. Please provide btc address signed or posted by Bitmain.

You can use multisignature free escrow build in bitcoind also.

I will keep destroying this gb until you do what you should do, for our and Bitmain safety.
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You are not kicked from the line.  That will only happen after the payment deadline passes.  Yes I'm very aware of that painful event.  Please, this is the group buy as it was setup by the OP and for some reason or another, it got transferred to me in a short notice.  

Just like the initial OP mentioned, I'm open to suggestions but if you don't feel comfortable, I have nothing against you if you chose to cancel your bid, but let's not sabotage the whole group buy.  There are others who wants to take this opportunities.  I understand you are one of the long standing members here but I can't cater for individual need/want to modify the term.  As I mentioned from the beginning, due to the sudden announcement, there is no penalty or nothing to lose for you to retract your bid if you feel necessary.

Let's keep the good HOLIDAY SPIRITS for now!  Cheesy

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Bitman did say Sushi was handling the GB now.
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Ok so no escrow?
Becouse it is a group buy?
And you have no btc?
Wtf man.

This can turn to be nice scam, beware guys!!!!

They are risking theirs new forum accounts, you are risking brand new cars.

Please provide bitman btc address or another form of security.

And dont say i am kicked of the line.

Do you remember vdragon group buy? 263btc stolen. Here is 130btc to grab. Nice flat or few cars now for newbie forum accounts.

Do a multi signature escrow with bitman or provide their btc address (posted by them).
It is free.

Or go find idiots or naive people at different forum.





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Escrow  wise, I'm happy to use JohnK or a few other trusted guys on the forum, however, this is a group buy, I can't cover 30 unites worth of BTC out of my pocket and then wait to get paid later.  on page 4, Bitmain did confirm they will commit 30 unites and I'm hear to try to finish up the group buy.  I'm sure OP was able to secure this pricing by promising all the sales duty associated with the group buy sale.  

If you don't feel comfortable, you are welcome to retract your bid for 2 unites but I can't let you auction off the spots.  You can retract your bid up to the payment deadline that I will announce in the next 12 hours.  Initial deal was 36 hours from Bitmain confirms the group buy and they have done so already, and I have no plan to shorten that time frame.

Please do due diligence and decide if you want to remain or out.  There will be no hard feeling against you for opting out as things have changed since you placed your bid for 2 AntMiner.

Any question, please let me know


P.S.

Good thinking about monetize the reserved slots! I would probably thought the same if I were you...   Grin Grin Grin  But No, you can't sell the space.

Bitmain and Textplorer actually put some effort to get this started in the initial place, so let's we all keep positive attitude!  Think about it, without Textplorer's effort, this group buy would be here right now.

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