Topic: Official Thread: AMT - page 249. (Read 678353 times)

How do you know all this?

If 1,000 people have been scammed,  would I not hear more of them over here?

Has Bitmine.ch also been scammed?

Is Bitmine.ch also a scam?

What about Technobit,  are they getting chips from a scam (Bitmine.ch)?

Why would Bitmine.ch endorse AMT?

BTW, what I dont get mostly is why they do that. Even the accurate Bitmine specs are pretty good, AMT's prices are very competitive and availability is quite posslbly a lot better than any other 28nm vendor. If they just told the truth and stopped acting so arrogant, clueless and dishonest I can see them sell a shitload of miners. As it is, I wouldnt come near them.

Can you really not see the difference between CT not reaching its goals, and AMT misrepresenting the (public) goals from its supplier? You really think AMT made an honest mistake, when anyone who could read and do gradeschool math could spot the impossibility of their claims? Even though t was pointed out many months ago, and they silently changed the numbers from completely ridiculous to just impossible ?

Maybe CT never really expected to reach 2TH, but Ive not seen a shred of evidence for that, and all indications are they eventually will reach their goal, so that CT deliberately defrauded its customers by overpromising is an unlikely and certainly unproven hypothesis. AMT missing their promises will be deliberate and willful and demonstrably so.

What is wrong with you people? Did you read pierred's last post?

Simple. Where is the link for said units being sold on ebay? Are they selling their spot on the AMT delivery list or do they have the actual merchandise? Why has it taken over 3 months to give me a refund for overpayment? Why does the address he have listed for AMT and setupstarters both have no record of ever being at that address? Has anyone actually physically seen them at their address? Why are the orders that were placed back in October with the promise of delivery first week of December not fulfilled and at least giving regular updates instead AMT doesn't answer those questions, they just respond with "well you can order a machine and wait like the rest of them". These are the questions you should be asking instead of defending them when you haven't even received your machine is ridiculous. There should be not just one person that can legitimately vouch for AMT, there should be several. All I have seen is one person that has received an actual machine that have made praises about AMT and a bunch of people that haven't received their machines but are defending AMT in hopes that AMT will deliver if no one offends them. One more thing I forgot to add, those youtube videos, were uploaded from Sofia, Bulgaria. Josh is with a girl by the name of Marina Petrova. Good friends with Georgi Stoitsev (who did the video with him and claimed to be with bitmine), who is also married to Ina Ilieva and they all live in Sofia, Bulgaria, looks more and more like a scam and so far.. over 1,000 people have been scammed from the looks of things. There has been no substantial proof that AMT is a legitimate company, a very unfortunate to say but AMT deliver on your promises and I will take back everything I have said but for now, you have turned a believer into a skeptic.

pierred 192GH/s miner only hashed at 120GH/s.

What do you mean?

Well,  can you dig up any defrauded customers?    AMT has promised systems back in December and January,  where are those defrauded customers?

Before you accuse a company of fraud, be prepared to back it up with evidence.

Man... with all this time I am spending defending AMT... I deserve that 5% discount!!!

Yes they are in fact 100% guarantee

That is meaningless. You certainly do not represent them.

I was a bit worried early about whether bitmine.ch chips would be stable in 8 chip configurations.

Well it turns out that technobit has shipped their systems and it looks quite stable:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/technobit-hex8a1-coincraft-in-hand-450228

This is very good news!

Now all we need to hear now is if AMT's manufcaturer's can place them chips on the boards correctly!

They went to Bulgaria,  took some photos of Technobit Bitfury boards.   

They are registered in Delaware.   I already gave you a link.   

What I want is evidence of de-frauded customers.  I want evidence that the miners they are building are impossible to build and deliver.   

All I hear is a lack of responsiveness by customer support,  some poor shipping packages,  some inconsistencies in the website,  lack of updates,  lack of photos and videos of working systems.

However,  where are the defrauded customers? 

Has anyone addressed the issue about the Bulgaria IP address, and the fact that the pics were taken in Bulgaria? How is that explained?

Wrong, this is not my point. Do not speak for me if I did not required that, OK?

The point is that without a legal registration AMT is posing a risk for their customers. They are not informing the customers of this risk. I am not contesting the capacity of AMT to deliver products, I am contesting their legal representation for their customers. The customers have a right to know with who they are dealing with. So if AMT is an unregistered personal business, it is fine! All they have to do is to INFORM the customer about this and put a name in the front line. Instead they have been informing the customers with vague statements about the legal nature of their business. The uninformed customers go to the Internet page and buy from a company which they think properly registered, when in reality that is not the case.

Yes, it probably is incorrect.   They also probably got the hash rate wrong too.

Cointerra got that wrong too.

Anyway,  if they deliver 1 THs on a 1,200w system,  I will be perfectly fine.   Of course, I'll want a 20% discount on the price.

AMT has been taking orders for a while now.   A lot of those orders should have been delivered last month (specifically the bitfury based systems).

Do you find people coming on to this board complaining about being defrauded?

I hear about people receiving their units.  I also see some folks selling their units on eBay.  So what is your evidence that there is fraud going on?

They are also misrepresenting the power consumption, and who knows what else.

http://advancedminers.com/bitcoin-mining-hardware/1-2ths-bitcoin-miner/


We all know this is not true!

BFL got a legal registration and defrauded customers.

AMT did not get a legal registration and could be defrauding customers.


Please, do not tell me that just because fraudsters can legally register business you think that unregistered business have a free pass to defraud customers. Is that what you implied in your question?

There is one court case against BFL and one also against Hashfast.   The point that Croppo is trying to make is that AMT is a scam.    Even after they've delivered miners to folks,  even after they are endorsed by the chip manufacturer.   Sure they are sloppy,  but Bitmine.ch is also very sloppy.