Topic: Official Thread: AMT - page 86. (Read 678353 times)

My mistake, Thought you said you were from the U.K. Must have been someone else.

I'm not familiar with that term, but yea, totally makes sense.

here in America the term is "steaming pile" But I think the meaning still comes across

ya. and glad I have a recently bought Ant pharm. Them suckas are getting cheaper every week..

Right not interested in defective hardware. Lack of PSU's I can deal with. That I can make my problem so long as they arrange to get one to me later on. Since I am forgoeing the assembly and a crucial component an additional card or a smaller hashing unit to make up for that loss. Something to make it worth my inconvenience. These are things that can be worked around with he MPP and can be negotiated. Flexibility is something I can deal with in a crunch situation. This is one of those. I would like to hold out for a miner but in this business time is truly money. I lost some here by waitign it out. Luckily I have other stuff going that helps keep the income stream coming but honestly had hoped any company would have started shipping 1THS miners. At least from this experience I have learned it will be better to just buy from anyone with inhand hardware only. None of this "in-stock" preorder crap.

There were 2 technical reasons that were mentioned that may be responsible for the delay.

(1) 1 in every 8 coincraft A1 chips are claimed to be defective.  Which should not be an issue since you should be able to test a chip before you mount in on the board!  Anyway, they appear to have the software compensate for the flawed device Still bogus since why would anyone accept a board with 1 or 2 chips that are defective?

(2) Lack of power supplies.   We do know there is a shortage since every miner manufacturer is demanding these power supplies.   It is kind of like AMD GPU a month ago,  you could not buy one even if you wanted to.

All I am saying is its utterly retarded to be discussing ANYTHING of a legal nature in a public forum. For football fans thats like giving away the playbook. That being said...again I am holding out for my miner. They clearly have them they are clearly making them. Figure I will hold out and see what happens. There are still 3 days left for me to hear back from them about anything. If they are going to be late (which is presumed at this point) I would just like to know and know why. I would be ok with getting a disassembled miner if it meant I got my order faster (as I emailed and posted earlier). But they are not responding any more at this point today. Hopefully they are just working out how to do that and make it up to the people who were expecting a fully assembled device.

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Agree 100%. Those taking a legal route need to get together via the more private means you gave and keep specifics out of the Public realm until the matters are resolved. Any lawyer will tell you that.

Frankly considering other miner companies and their customers are in the same boat over the A1 chips/boards/specs, I hate to say it but seems there is a need for at least standards or even laws setup regarding this pre-order thing.

re: Phins comments about Josh "being in over his head" and "is not an Engineer".

Ya think? Strikes me same as several damn fine sales/pitchmen I've known during my stint in the Medical x-ray equipment biz a few decades ago. Wouldn't trust them one bit with *my* money but damn they were good at selling widgets. Dinna really know a damn thing about *how/why* they work, just what they can do as told/shown to them by the folks making the equipment. As long as they had folks like me on-board to understand the equipment or at least reliable and knowledgeable contacts familiar with the technology involved (I take it AMT does not) and the mfgrs have proven SALABLE designs (root cause of this mess BitMine.ch is that did not) then it can work very well for all.

Of course, when the widget maker flubs the product - and does not even talk to their direct-sales customers about it (again, BitMine.ch) much less their Authorized Distributors) then the pitchman and their customers get screwed and if said sales folks panic and hide or whatever, we get this mess...

At least it seems Josh and company may pull most of their butt out of the fire yet assuming we get more reports of miners in customer hands. At least they did not immediately bail off the map like the owner of a certain x-ray sales company did about 1 month after I left them to get into the laser biz. Best move I ever made getting out of there when I did.

fixed it.  better?

I am willing to guess the money is tied up in the next round of hardware and has been spent OR they mismanaged it. Not sure why they aren't issuing refunds to people requesting them.

Actually.... Bitmain Antminer S1 is .893BTC, or $443.82 for 180GH, which can be OC'd to 200GH.  mine runs at 200gh, as most do, so that's like $2.20/GH .  They also include free shipping, but no PSU.  have to add the PSU cost in there, which kicks the price up to about $2.50-2.60/gh.

PBMining is .0075btc per GH which is $3.73/GH, but you get it immediately and don't have to pay for power.

FYI, the ballbag calling himself asprin will give you negative trust for posting those links. he did it to me a few weeks ago.

What I keep telling them is that it is better to give a refund that to actually delivering the units.  

If AMT can't deliver,  then that's going to look to everyone as wire-fraud.  The penalties are much steeper than not delivering and sending back a refund.

I can't see how stalling about a refund helps their situation. 

You heard the news,  Bernie Maddow's employees also are going to jail for perpetuating a fraud.  AMT employees should start seriously thinking about this.

Who's wallet are we checking?

All said and done, its probably a discussion best had with the lawyer and not on a public forum if you are going that route Its like telling people what your next move is.......oh wait it is....

Again poker face it you already know the people who are going this route. best thing is to discuss it with them via PM and set up skype/teamspeak/ventrillo calls to strategize. But doing it in a public forum is not going to help. Just gets them more prepared to argue against you. Don't get overconfident that the law is totally on your side. They could pull a zinger out too and derail things. The law can be a bitch that way. Just consider that when you post about legal actions and what routes you are taking on a public forum. Just something to consider. Pokerface

I'm taking a neutral stance here. They seem to be legit but over their heads. That much is clear. Whatever the case for my part I wont keep making this worse by requesting a refund just yet. Obviously the hardware exists and it obviously works. Sadly we got to find out the way we had to but it is what it is at this point. For my part I am going to make the most of the situation if it gets me my miners. If not well thats a whole other thing, but it sounds likely I will get a miner at some point soon (2 weeks reasonably speaking?)

here's a shameless plug, since we're on cloudmining topic. See my sig below.  PBmining    .0075BTC per GH and price drops every week.  5 year contract.

check his bitcoin wallet. all im going to say. follow the trail, it's a shady one.

Bitmain is $518 for 180 GHs.  That is like $3/GHs
CEX.io is $5.25/GHs.
Cointerra is $2.99/Ghs ... delivery June 2014.

Nobody is his right mind should be buying a pre-order.

We are totally screwed by AMT.   Best chance right now is to take them to court on the MPP.

Well getting another more powerful board would be an option too here and flashing that with the software....there are a few raspberry-pi like options out there including samsungs exynos5 boards which are much more powerful and yet only sip marginally more power. dumping the image from this (if its on and SDCard so much easier) and putting it onto another controller would make the most sense here. Not trivial to be sure (I have had to go through this pain hacking a chromebook with the same hardware.  

Any chance we can get close up photos of the internals? Like the rasberrypi controller? There might be ways to make this thing scream with the exynos or other arm dual/quad core chips. Transferring the image to one of those and making it scream would be good. At least creates a setup for scalability. Right now this thing is running at what it needs to run at.

thanks, you are probably correct but based on their behavior I don,t believe intent to deceive would be hard to prove.

It looks like the web interface uses much of the cpu.   I am guessing that gauge takes up quite a bit of reasources to run.   After closing the web and loging into the PI via ssh it seems its only using 60% of the cpu.

Mem: 46148K used, 450776K free, 0K shrd, 3376K buff, 15468K cached
CPU:  58% usr  26% sys   0% nic  14% idle   0% io   0% irq   0% sirq