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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on November 12, 2023, 04:48:25 AM

Regarding what you say, there is a thread on reddit from 3 years ago that is is consistent with what you say, as he claims he had contacted the FBI back then. However, it could be that the investigation is going slowly and has not yet been acted upon.

Ah, thank you for that link. I detest reddit and would never have known of that thread's existence had you not pointed it out or unless I saw another link to it on bitcointalk.

Now that I did see it, I'm not sure what to think. I doubt any US alphabet agency would give any credence to Vod's claims about this forum's mismanagement of its funds when said claims are alongside accusations that his stroke was due to the stress from forum drama. Then again, there's been no hard evidence as of yet regarding what's been presented to any government agency by Vod, so who knows. What I've seen so far has basically been bluster and not much else.

Foxpup has a good point about donations being out of the hands of the donator once they're given, though I'm not sure about what, if any, promises were made to donators as to the use of the funds. And I'd really like to hear OgNasty and Theymos's opinions on this, though I'm pretty sure they're not going to chime in.

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Quote from: Vod on November 12, 2023, 02:35:08 AM

The investigators will want to know exactly when the donations became his property.

At the risk of stating the obvious, donations become the property of the recipient the moment they are given. Any subsequent absconsion of the donated funds by a third-party scammer is thus theymos's problem, not yours. I really don't see how this affects you in any way - you're out the donated funds regardless of theymos's decisions and actions. What exactly is the point of this vendetta? Huh

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The truth is that I knew little about this story and would not want to get too involved, but Vod's return to the forum and the things he says have aroused my interest.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on November 12, 2023, 04:38:23 AM

Vod, you know I'm no fan of OgNasty so please don't take this as challenging you in a negative way, but when you returned to the forum the last time you were saying more or less the same thing as you are now. If you've really got investigators looking into illicit transactions involving Theymos, OgNasty, and/or anyone else, it'd be much better if you'd show some evidence of the wheels of justice in motion instead of what look like empty threats.

And the reason I said "empty" is because you've been at this for years now and there hasn't been any action taken as far as the community can see. Know what I mean?

Regarding what you say, there is a thread on reddit from 3 years ago that is is consistent with what you say, as he claims he had contacted the FBI back then. However, it could be that the investigation is going slowly and has not yet been acted upon.

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Quote from: Vod on November 12, 2023, 02:35:08 AM

The investigators will want to know exactly when the donations became his property.

Vod, you know I'm no fan of OgNasty so please don't take this as challenging you in a negative way, but when you returned to the forum the last time you were saying more or less the same thing as you are now. If you've really got investigators looking into illicit transactions involving Theymos, OgNasty, and/or anyone else, it'd be much better if you'd show some evidence of the wheels of justice in motion instead of what look like empty threats.

And the reason I said "empty" is because you've been at this for years now and there hasn't been any action taken as far as the community can see. Know what I mean?

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on November 11, 2023, 11:54:32 PM

I believe he is referring to donations from the old donators, funds accrued by selling forum ad spaces, and maybe forked coins earned from both of those. I could be wrong of course, but this is where I would guess he is referring.

Correct. The investigators will want to know exactly when the donations became his property. I'm going off nothing but Theymos' words here on the forum he controls. He pledged to use donations for the improvement of the bitcoin community, but instead he gave them all to his friends. Did you know that every single person Theymos entrusted with bitcoin stole from him? When someone steals entrusted property from you, and you reward them, it shows your corruption, and you usually go to jail.

Both OG and Theymos simply got too greedy. They could have walked away years ago and been "set for life", as OG said.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on November 11, 2023, 11:11:42 PM

Quote from: Vod on November 11, 2023, 07:32:46 PM

Theymos paid you community funds. You stole them and returned some when caught. Theymos gave you what was not his to give, and gave you feedback to help you scam others.

Thanks bozo. Grin

For those of us who don't know the history well, could you explain what you mean by 'community funds'? Because I am part of the community and those funds are not partially mine. I understand that theymos is now the owner of the forum but I don't know if in the period mentioned it was also Sirius or more people.

I believe he is referring to donations from the old donators, funds accrued by selling forum ad spaces, and maybe forked coins earned from both of those. I could be wrong of course, but this is where I would guess he is referring.

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Quote from: Vod on November 11, 2023, 07:32:46 PM

Theymos paid you community funds. You stole them and returned some when caught. Theymos gave you what was not his to give, and gave you feedback to help you scam others.

Thanks bozo. Grin

For those of us who don't know the history well, could you explain what you mean by 'community funds'? Because I am part of the community and those funds are not partially mine. I understand that theymos is now the owner of the forum but I don't know if in the period mentioned it was also Sirius or more people.

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Quote from: eddie13 on January 18, 2021, 08:37:56 PM

theymos did say that it was a bit “tacky” for him to have claimed the airdrops, but their was no theft or risk to the coins in doing so..

Theft had already occurred. What you saw here was illegal - Theymos using community funds to reward a thief. If you search for his real name, you'll see he's been suspect of mishandling community funds for over a decade. He's no longer suspect - he is accused of being in collusion with OGNasty. If this forum suddenly goes dark, you can thank me.

Quote from: OgNasty on January 18, 2021, 02:07:57 PM

Allow me. I was paid by theymos to hold 500 BTC. I returned it when asked along with all the alts theymos asked me to return. He gifted the remainder to me and left me positive feedback. Grin

Theymos paid you community funds. You stole them and returned some when caught. Theymos gave you what was not his to give, and gave you feedback to help you scam others.

Thanks bozo. Grin

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Quote from: Vod on January 18, 2021, 08:47:54 PM

The issue is never returning the stolen items once you get caught - people do that all the time. The issue was he didn't inform anyone he had stole the forked coins until someone brought it up. The same way he didn't inform everyone he didn't lose coins in pirate's ponzi - he hoped no one would find out.

Finally, take a clue from the politicians. How many of them do the right thing and pay back fraudulent expenses before they are discovered?

He never even moved the fork coins from the escrow address until theymos told him to..
They just sat there..

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The issue is never returning the stolen items once you get caught - people do that all the time. The issue was he didn't inform anyone he had stole the forked coins until someone brought it up. The same way he didn't inform everyone he didn't lose coins in pirate's ponzi - he hoped no one would find out.

Finally, take a clue from the politicians. How many of them do the right thing and pay back fraudulent expenses before they are discovered?

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 18, 2021, 02:07:57 PM

I was paid by theymos to hold 500 BTC. I returned it when asked along with all the alts theymos asked me to return. He gifted the remainder to me and left me positive feedback. Grin

As I understand it, no one can confirm this except for Theymos? And what coins do you call "remainder"? Or you can go the other way ...

Question to all: Is it possible to somehow link BFork addresses with BCH addresses?

Quote from: Vod on January 18, 2021, 02:11:27 PM

Og had control of 500 btc of forum funds. Hoping no one would find out, he used them in airdrops and embezzled all tokens that the coins generated. Theymos found out, asked he return certain tokens and he could keep the rest. Og then said it was his "fiduciary duty" to steal as much as possible, and attacked Theymos for not telling him which tokens he could steal in advance - even though Theymos was unaware of the theft.

If you're right, that's about half a million dollars minimum. For educational purposes, I'll try to find an agreement between Theymos and OG, then, probably, I'll see the whole picture, (In the meantime, I'll wait for an answer from OG) ...

OG held all the fork coins the entire time and gave theymos all of the valuable fork coins theymos wanted, like BCH..
theymos told OG to just keep the low value forks when the escrow was returned..

Along the time OG also claimed some airdrops from all of his addresses, including his address that held the forums escrow coins.. I imagine like stellar and clams and such..
He did this only by signing the addresses which did not endanger or move the escrow coins in any way..

theymos did say that it was a bit “tacky” for him to have claimed the airdrops, but their was no theft or risk to the coins in doing so..

He handed this forum back millions of dollar$ worth of bitcoins perfectly..

You so t have to believe me though.. Do the research..
I just know because I was there..

And by the way.. OG’s trust score is 150 something positive from my viewpoint..

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Quote from: icopress on January 18, 2021, 02:43:09 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 18, 2021, 02:07:57 PM

I was paid by theymos to hold 500 BTC. I returned it when asked along with all the alts theymos asked me to return. He gifted the remainder to me and left me positive feedback. Grin

As I understand it, no one can confirm this except for Theymos? And what coins do you call "remainder"? Or you can go the other way ...

Og is misleading, as usual.

Theymos asked for the coins back, and left OG positive feedback. A lot of lemmings followed. THEN Theymos found out Og had used those coins as if they were his, and declared Og tacky, which according to Og, means he is a disgusting human being.

Theymos did not leave Og positive feedback for embezzling coins.

Quote from: OgNasty on December 09, 2020, 06:57:14 PM

Hey look, another day, another honest user who has been a positive participant in the community for years who would rather leave bitcointalk then deal with the lies and harassment of these users. People have been asking for years what is happening to all the long term use case creators in this community, well... Do you still have to ask?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5298464

Hey look, Og using his alt account to make a point after using it to escrow scam, merit scam and DT scam. :/

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 18, 2021, 02:07:57 PM

I was paid by theymos to hold 500 BTC. I returned it when asked along with all the alts theymos asked me to return. He gifted the remainder to me and left me positive feedback. Grin

As I understand it, no one can confirm this except for Theymos? And what coins do you call "remainder"? Or you can go the other way ...

Question to all: Is it possible to somehow link BFork addresses with BCH addresses?

Quote from: Vod on January 18, 2021, 02:11:27 PM

Og had control of 500 btc of forum funds. Hoping no one would find out, he used them in airdrops and embezzled all tokens that the coins generated. Theymos found out, asked he return certain tokens and he could keep the rest. Og then said it was his "fiduciary duty" to steal as much as possible, and attacked Theymos for not telling him which tokens he could steal in advance - even though Theymos was unaware of the theft.

If you're right, that's about half a million dollars minimum. For educational purposes, I'll try to find an agreement between Theymos and OG, then, probably, I'll see the whole picture, (In the meantime, I'll wait for an answer from OG) ...

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^ Obviously Og feels his actions in stealing the tokens is acceptable, keeping with his reputation as a thief.

Quote from: icopress on January 18, 2021, 12:19:22 PM

Can you clarify what this is about? As I understand it, you mean that OG returned 500 bitcoins to Theymos, but throughout the entire storage period, he operated on it at his own discretion? I honestly don't remember the content of the contract between OG and Theymos, as I read it for a long time (and I can't remember where to find it).

Long story short: Og had control of 500 btc of forum funds. Hoping no one would find out, he used them in airdrops and embezzled all tokens that the coins generated. Theymos found out, asked he return certain tokens and he could keep the rest. Og then said it was his "fiduciary duty" to steal as much as possible, and attacked Theymos for not telling him which tokens he could steal in advance - even though Theymos was unaware of the theft. :/

Quote from: ibminer on January 18, 2021, 11:33:50 AM

I certainly can't speak to what theymos knows or doesn't know... but I get the feeling he personally doesn't like ponzi's.

Many women don't like prostitution - but it brings in the $. He posts he doesn't like ponzis, but he has been paying Og the entire decade he's been running these ponzis, and using his position to discredit my investigation into the ponzis. We can hope Theymos knows ponzis are wrong, but he doesn't act like it.

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Quote from: icopress on January 18, 2021, 12:19:22 PM

Can you clarify what this is about? As I understand it, you mean that OG returned 500 bitcoins to Theymos, but throughout the entire storage period, he operated on it at his own discretion? I honestly don't remember the content of the contract between OG and Theymos, as I read it for a long time (and I can't remember where to find it).

Quote from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35

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Allow me. I was paid by theymos to hold 500 BTC. I returned it when asked along with all the alts theymos asked me to return. He gifted the remainder to me and left me positive feedback. Grin

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Quote from: Vod on January 17, 2021, 03:13:01 PM

Theymos has been paying Og bitcoin throughout his entire scam (even while Og stole from him), and Theymos controls the proof of Og's crimes, which seems to keep vanishing. Even if they aren't cooperating, Og is sure spinning it that way to boost his credibility.

Can you clarify what this is about? As I understand it, you mean that OG returned 500 bitcoins to Theymos, but throughout the entire storage period, he operated on it at his own discretion? I honestly don't remember the content of the contract between OG and Theymos, as I read it for a long time (and I can't remember where to find it).

Quote from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35

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I certainly can't speak to what theymos knows or doesn't know... but I get the feeling he personally doesn't like ponzi's.

But, it is certainly quite clear that OgNasty has no issues with ponzi's... as long as they "pay the bills", of course.

Quote from: OgNasty on March 11, 2014, 12:25:37 AM

Quote from: nrd525 on February 17, 2014, 10:18:21 PM

Theymos is accepting illegal ads from a ponzi scheme - makebtc.org.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450959.20

It's obviously a ponzi scheme. I'm not sure what his jurisdiction is, but it is most likely illegal to have a ponzi scheme.

I pm-ed him and got no response.

If the website was labeled as gambling it would be legal in some jurisdictions. However it is not.

As he is making money from advertising the scam, he is morally and legally responsible for it.

How much BTC have you donated to keep the forum running? None? Then be happy someone is paying the bills.

The ends will always justify the means with OgNasty, no matter what the 'means' are. Just like above.. he's OK turning a blind eye to scammers taking advantage of people on this forum, just as long as they pay their advertising dues.. to stay in the scammers club. Roll Eyes

Just like he's OK adding random people on his trust list without really caring what feedback they've left.. because he wants to boost his own grandiose perspective of himself.

It's just one way he can feed his narcissistic supply.

Why the forum puts this kinda guy up on a pedestal, and backs him up with biased behaviors, is beyond me. I can only hope him being in a prominent "position" on this forum doesn't jeopardize the forum itself when his flagrant behaviors and poor business ethics eventually piss off the wrong person.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 17, 2021, 01:45:52 PM

I'm not even in DT anymore so the entire self scratching argument doesn't even make sense.

Jan 21:
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@suchmoon: I'm not sure how constructive such topics are anymore, esp for me since I'm not being paid to argue/"defend". Theymos has been paying Og bitcoin throughout his entire scam (even while Og stole from him), and Theymos controls the proof of Og's crimes, which seems to keep vanishing. Even if they aren't cooperating, Og is sure spinning it that way to boost his credibility.

Where is the post where Og told you and I that Theymos knows what Og is doing?

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 17, 2021, 01:45:52 PM

I don't believe I've ever lied
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You're a crazed emotional woman

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 17, 2021, 01:45:52 PM

I don't believe I've ever lied or left trust that is in any way dishonest.

You may honestly believe that e.g. eoakland's proof of account ownership was insufficient, or that minifrij's misunderstanding of your post was worthy of neg trust, or that anonymousminer deserves red trust for saying bad things about you, and it can still be abuse of the trust system because none of these things make them high risk in a trade. Nice straw man.

Quote from: OgNasty on January 17, 2021, 01:45:52 PM

I've never left you red trust and you are all bad opinions so all evidence points to you being full of it.

Another fallacy. I never said that you red trust every opinion you dislike... just the ones where you think you can get away with it.

Quote from: OgNasty on January 17, 2021, 01:45:52 PM

I'm not even in DT anymore so the entire self scratching argument doesn't even make sense.

Fingers crossed.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 17, 2021, 01:45:52 PM

[I don't believe I've ever lied or left trust that is in any way dishonest.

Edit: I was going to compile a list of his dishonest trust, but it would be for a shrinking list of people that still believe him. He lies, period.

Quote from: OgNasty on January 17, 2021, 01:45:52 PM

I'm not even in DT anymore

If only.... Sad

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