Topic: ~OgNasty's self scratching - page 4. (Read 2865 times)

This thread isn't even based on my data:
It's based on BPIP, which (I think) is currently owned by suchmoon and ibminer.

If that would be the case, don't you think OgNasty would have pointed it out already?

I'd be honored if theymos takes the time to verify my Trust list viewer, but I don't think he does.

OgNasty never took Forkcoins without theymos' permission:

Done!   Og's trust went from (about) 80 originally, to a high of 86 today, and now down to 75.  I look forward to seeing what happens as more people understand how he's been padding his trust.  My 36 actual trust score could be 10x that if I cheated the way he did.

Excellent work by the OP to point out this obvious abuse, as well as flush out a few more rats.  Obviously, the scum is trying to deflect.   I guess he chooses you because BPIP makes it so easy to catch abusers.  

Well, also this:

~OgNasty

A member has for years now been attacking trusted users and forcing the trusted users to remove inclusions for feedback that existed prior to them joining the forum.  They have done this in order to degrade the value of longterm member's earned trust ratings as a way to appear more valuable to the forum and have more influence on their own website which judges users on just these sorts of ratings.  

Conflict of interest?  Sure.  Shady as fuck?  Yup.  Dishonest?  Sure seems that way.  What is the appropriate response to such a user suchmoon?

I'm quite certain that if I start a thread I know what the topic of it is. You can start a new one if you don't like it.


What, sending a harassing PM doesn't float your boat anymore? Do whatever you want, sparky.

I know you started it with that agenda, but it has actually correctly been identified as a thread to discuss your cultish trust usage and how it has enabled you to use this “self scratching” attack on reputable members multiple times over a period of years in the past as a way to exercise more control over the trust network than you deserve. Tell me, is that behavior deserving of a negative trust rating or just exclusion from the trust network?

I'm really puzzled why you keep saying that. All data that LoyceV uses is public. The above is simply not true. Anyone can verify it. I don't think theymos verifies anything that LoyceV does, he just dumps the data weekly for anyone to use.

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Let's stop with the unrelated stuff. Probably partly my fault for debating various tangents. Vod, you have multiple other threads for your dispute with Og. This is about OgNasty's trust list self-scratching.

OG also doxxed Vod many times, called him a pedophile and tried to get him beat up.  

But you can still trust him cause you traded with him?  

I guess that makes you a hypocrite to me - too bad since we never had any interaction.   Take care.

Edit:  I had you on my trust list for some reason.  You were probably a good guy.

theymos said he did not have a problem with Og taking some forked coins.

it does appear he did take some forked coins.

now since theymos said he did not have a problem with that,

do you red tag theymos and say Og gave 1/2 the forked coins to theymos and that they were in cohorts .

You should based on what you say.

which is why you should let it all lie buried or expose that theymos let him take those forked coins why?

did theymos grab a cut?

theymos has said peace should be made over this. so is he the villain not Og?

btw the only person that verifies loyce list is theymos.

So the reality is.

loyce could be suspect over the self scratch list
theymos could be suspect over the self scratch list.

Og could be attacked over and over and over again by

vod,suchmoon , loyce because theymos does not want us to question him about allowing Og to take the forked coins.

so basically

vod
suchmoon
loyce
theymos
Og

all have  compromised interests in the self scratch thread here or in the forked coins which theymos allowed
so this is why I usually stay out of this.

A ) I have nothing to do with the forked coins.
B) I don’t have enough info to answer those points I bring up.
C) In general bitcointalk has helped a lot of people and I don’t want to attack it or its members
D) all but vod are on my trust list he doxxed Og so no trust.

I really wish this entire line was stopped by now as it always goes in circles.

Getting rid of signatures will stop most of the problems you describe, including the negative trust you left me.  

Problem is, I've never worn a paid sig, as I'm happy with my financial status.  

You'll have to think of a new excuse why I fight scammers like OG and don't get paid for it.  :/

Hey phillip, you've picked the wrong member to base your trust on.

You are totally correct in this analysis. What fascinated me most about this whole DT farce was what initially seemed to be outrageous claims by CryptoHunter / bonesjones / laudanum on the surface turned out to be 99% accurate, 1 by 1 he identified and dismantled the cultist signature abusers;

there are so many threads now documenting the hypocrisy and shameless double standards of the DT1 cult that it's not even interesting to talk about anymore, most people have voted with their feet and abandoned the forum, unless they were long standing members of a lucrative signature, in which case they are merely tolerating the broken forum to get the monthly income...

For me the only remaining question on this issue is: where do staff and @theymos fit in to all of this ? Surely this must be far from the vision for DT that admin first envisioned:


There is no credible threat of retaliation, if an independent member discloses and proves the corrupt nature of any cultist from DT1, he will immediately be excluded en-masse and get a few frivolous red ratings for good measure so that the signature revenue abusers will continue to have artificially green trust sheets under all circumstances. They are getting paid a few k / month to continue colluding and masquerading, there is very low chance of such deep-rooted and incentivized collusion to be overthrown independently unless theymos pays a few k out of his own pockets to motivate the honest members to political activism  , either that or he has to personally step in...


It subtracts greatly from the prestige and future potential of Bitcointalk that admin seems to have abandoned all efforts of fixing the broken systems of this forum for a long time now...

I'm just refuting you calling me a liar.    You said you lost 6,500 btc, now you are saying you didn't?

Your story just changed from Theymos knowing the truth and trusting you in your ponzis to Theymos being immature and irresponsible.

I don't lie, Mr. Ogn, and things will only get worse for you if you continue to use me as your deflection.


Silly OG.  You've already posted you paid out the 65btc insurance fund.  I leave this here as proof you don't have a good memory.   Liars need a good memory.

This being the real reason Vod continues to troll me.  His lie-filled attacks on me are the only thing that give him relevance after nearly 10 years of participation here.  I don't think when all is said and done that he will be remembered kindly.  

I should also add that these creatures abuse the trust network as a team and so they utilize attacks like this "self scratching" nonsense because they know it cannot be used against them, since they are all working together to manipulate the trust network.  Actually not a bad approach.  Attack people for acting as honest individuals while giving yourself immunity for abusing the network as a team.  I will say as far as attacks go, this is one of the smarter approaches these creatures utilize.  Users like myself an philipma1957 were even fooled previously by it.



Obviously I wouldn’t make up a lie like that. I’ve never lost anyone’s money. Not a single satoshi.

See?  Anyone who remembers his scam is called a liar, even though he admitted he paid out a 1% insurance fund of 65 btc.  

Do the math if you are not mentally challenged.   OG has an agenda.  




People may have believed that if Theymos hadn't called you "tacky" for stealing. 

I will agree that is is Theymos's fault for trusting you, but how could he have known?




Loyce cannot doctor the evidence.

and you have admitted to my only problem with the attack on og you can doctor the evidence.

edit:  to be clear this attack on this thread done against Og  is done with evidence that may or may not have been doctored.

Which is why I butted in as the same attacked method was used on me and could be used on anyone on the forum.

Only theymos  can refute or say the info is true.

I highlighted the lies in red.  LOL.  This is why trusting Vod either means you are mentally challenged or have an agenda.



More lies.  It was my fiduciary duty to make sure that alts were claimed.  I did so.  I then only took what theymos said I could have.  It is not my fault if he failed to keep track of what alts there were and didn't bother to ask me for a summary before gifting all the remaining alts to me.  I actually think his response on the matter without even discussing it with me was immature and think he should have appreciated my efforts and taken some personal responsibility on the matter.  You saying it was untrustworthy of me or dishonest in any way after theymos himself stated it wasn't is something only a moron or a boy with an agenda could do.  However, what theymos did say accurately was that leaving Vod red trust is appropriate, but I guess you missed that or just haven't red trusted Vod yet?

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Hey look, another day, another honest user who has been a positive participant in the community for years who would rather leave bitcointalk then deal with the lies and harassment of these users.  People have been asking for years what is happening to all the long term use case creators in this community, well...  Do you still have to ask?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5298464

Dozens are saying? I see the same bunch of people that have scamming, willing scam facilitating for pay or protecting scammers like you vod.

Now had you not have been found to be protecting 2 proven scammers before and not commenting at all when lauda used escrow funds to do the same thing you're accusing OG of and then adding them to you inclusions then perhaps you could be taken semi seriously by the objective reader here.

Well then you wouldn't appear to be a hypocritical scammers supporting coward that even admitted you dare not previously exclude lauda from the trust system or red tag them out of fear they may use the trust system to ruin your account. That's exactly the problem with the trust system and what makes it very dangerous.

You are all missing the point.

Whilst it remains possible for any member to ruin your account where there is zero evidence of scamming,  attempting to scam or setting up a scam or any financially motivated wrongdoing at all then the trust system is DANGEROUS..

Lol at this self scratching / back scratching being just another hole in the system.
It is largely irrelevant and totally and utterly the foundation of every members route and election on to DT

Everyone is self scratching and colluding it's part of the design. Merit cycling is the first round of self scratching and collusion that enables round 2 of the same self scratching collusion on trust inclusions exclusions.

They are just making up illogical garbage that favours their position.  
It's not about the person being financially trustworthy it's only about their opinions of others lol

Still they will trick you into defending your actions per the terms they claim are the rules. They dont want you to recognize the rules themselves and design is a dangerous design that placed them where they are now and has entrenched them with the power to crush free speech, crush everyone's ability to paid2post and trade freely on their whims, and see they are paid at the highest rates on this forum for doing so.

Lol so by all means keep falling for this trick. You dont need to appease these noob trash greedy sig spamming scammer supporters.

You need to lobby theymos to require a transparent objective standard for damaging a persons account.
They are either meet the 3 criteria above or they do not.

This will not fix the dumb self election process to DT and will not stop them milking the forum.  However it will stop them crushing free speech and  it will stop them damaging innocent persons accounts and threatening people , and it will stop the trust system being diluted with bogus warnings of financially motivated wrongdoing because someone said something they didnt like.

Dont bother defending yourselves on their bogus terms.
Those terms are entirely dangerous and counter productive because to operate correctly within the system without breaking the rules is dangerous anyway lol

Sadly most people are too stupid to understand the clear implications of the system.
If so just take my word for it or try to debunk my points.

Just use another escrow says suchmoon? Oh who's would you reccomend?


Lol you heard it here first folks nutildah of all people
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nutildah-willing-to-facilitate-scammers-for-around-300bucks-deleting-evidence-5190369

Doesnt trust OG because he did the same thing lauda did while escrowing but he didnt mind lauda doing it. Actually he had lauda on his trust inclusions for ages. Maybe because lauda was self scratching nutildah. Lauda was hunting down people who had put their accounts up for sale. He was tagging them. When someone pointed out nutildah had put his up for sale. What did lauda say??
There is nothing anyone can say that will make me give nutildah a red tag or words to that effect.  One big long back scratching shitty mess is what the trust system is.

So think about that and see how that sinks in.  

Those hiding away watching that double standards and dirty antics of DT1 are equally as bad.
Cowards and weasels and they will eventually come for you or you'll have to be their bitch forever.
Ask PN7 what that feels like.  Getting some crumbs as long as you toe the line.
Yuck.

I would probably trust him to not steal money in broad daylight but I'm not so certain that he wouldn't do it if he thought he could get away with it, like with that airdrop.

Which means he's probably fine to use as escrow in public deals except I wouldn't recommend him to anybody whom he doesn't like... not so much because of possibly losing money but because of possible harassment and other shenanigans. Come to think of it, even if you're on good terms with him now, he'll shit on you later if you stop praising him. At one point he accused ibminer of stealing because ib said something unfavorable about nastyfans.

So yeah. Why bother. Just use another escrow who doesn't suffer from narcissistic delusions.

Not totally on topic but I'll say it. I don't trust him. Using the treasury's private keys to claim a shitcoin without telling anybody about it is pretty damn untrustworthy. You can say whatever you want about me, I've never profited dishonestly off the forum, especially to the massive tune that Og has... or as he calls it, "building off bitcoin."