Topic: ~OgNasty's self scratching - page 6. (Read 2778 times)

LOL

IIRC in the old "self-scratching" accusation I was defending your right to include anyone you see fit - now that was an irrational belief that a DT1 member hand-picked by theymos would never do such a petty thing as boosting their own trust score or abusing the system for their personal disputes. Sadly you have proven me wrong in so many ways.

For the record, I still think that you should feel free to include anyone you see fit but you also need to accept the fact that you're no longer the invincible DT1 that you used to be. If you bring too much shit into DT you should get excluded like any other garbage like peloso. Regardless of how much money you haven't stolen.

You and I have a major disagreement over this.

My rules for trust as in a feedback and for putting people on my trust list do not match with yours.



Okay theymos is on my trust list for obvious political reasons.
I have been questioned
over buysolar
I have been questioned
over generalt

So here goes a new one


wndsnb is not on any of my lists I did a third deal involving him this week.
he has been here for 6 years. He now has some actual dt1 trust.
he has given good advice he has not abused the system

So I am going to put him on both my feedback trust and my actual trust list.

Which will be an example of self scratching. If he decides to give me a feedback.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wndsnb-366233.

if you look at him he has been underrated for forum merits for years
he never earned a lot of merits because he did not seek them out.

To further continue my rant I want people to understand this particular attack on Ognasty was used on me.

So I will carefully show many people left off my lists due to the attack done to me.

I don't like this attack on anyone because I have seen it done to minerjones ,myself and Ognasty.

And I think it is a form of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

Now if you look at what I did with wndsnb a contributing member to the forum if he gives me a feedback I look like a self scratch.

So you hinder me from rating people that I do business with.

Or you hinder me from doing business from people I previously rated.

It is wrong.

rant over.

not quite as

I repeat this affects any and all of us that buy sell or escrow on the forum.

Because I value their feedback. Also, it's my trust list. So fuck off, Retardo.

you are fucking bastard
squall1066  hasn't been online in over 2 years
Tman hasn't been online in over 1 year
fuck your and your gang double standart


p.s to all condoms ( like as suchmoon, Loycev, owlcatz and other bastards ) that atacked Og
i ask you morons ! WHY TMAN IS STILL IN YOUR TRUS LIST?


hey fucking owlcats ! Lauda terminated and she in your fucking trust list  WHY?

OK, well, you've clearly run out of things to say, and I suspect you still don't understand the difference between a trust rating and a trust list. You've had however many years and never figured it out, perhaps you're simply not capable of understanding it.

All the more reason why you shouldn't be on DT.

I'm cherry-picking this part of your post, because I think this is the wrong reason to add someone to your Trust list.
I believe this is the correct use of the Trust system:
So if you think mikeywith is trustworthy, leave him positive feedback.
I can think of other reasons to include him in your Trust list, just not this one.

Update: I now see nutildah said the same on the next page. I'll leave this here anyway, because it's still a common mistake to confuse Trust list and Trust feedback (and it doesn't help that the forum calls everything "Trust").

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Challenge accepted!
First, see this:
Now tell you which positive feedback is more deserved:
Mine from jeremypwr:

Another way of saying this is that you didn’t earn any of your trust.


That’s because you are irrational and guided by petty emotions.


This is such an ignorant statement, I find it hard to believe anyone could take your position on this issue seriously after reading it and discovering you are a moron.

For four of those, your decision is based on nothing discernible to the outside world (except for the fact that they left you a positive trust).


I don't need to know them to know they have no business being on DT.

That it does. So let me rephrase it: sorry that I misread your post. And that you got dragged into this.

I still stand by my opinion that the situations (yours and OgNasty's) are not even remotely comparable.

I received all my trust despite not having traded on this forum.  

Anyway can buy/sell/escrow and build up such a list.   It's much more difficult to have people trust you based on something other than $$.

On topic:   If this latest round of abuse doesn't help Og, he'll do it again to more inactive users that left him trust one time.

See this is why the internet sucks.  Touting a person would be a horse racing tip.  So if someone touts you about a thread he is tipping you off about a thread.

Thus my post was complimentary to you. Actually both you and Og stuck up for me in that thread.

 BTW that thread burns me to this day.

Wish I could find it. But that if I find it and read it I will just feel pissed off about a completely different person than anyone on this thread.



So While I picked Mikeywith and he was already on the list.

I HAVE MORE THAN 40 PEOPLE I pull off the list due to that thread.
I also requested to be removed from DT 1 list over that thread.

But Both Suchmoon and Og stuck up for me.

I hold grudges about that thread big time. but not against Suchmoon or Og when it comes to that thread.  Or for that matter any other thing.

Being here since 2012 Now has me in a funny position I like suchmoon and Og

Don't know much about Vod except he fights with Og

achtung082 hasn't been online in over three months.   

Everyone I added I trust their ability to use the trust system. Just because you may not know them as well as I do from the information you have available to you nutilduh, doesn’t mean you can accurately speculate what my motivations are.

See how fast they are burying philipma1957’s comments? That’s what they do. They even use their previous harassment of me to say I have a history of doing this and since they harassed other users into removing their old trust inclusions (like philipma1957 described was done to him) they claim I’m the only person to add these users for my own benefit. It’s ridiculous.

1)  OgNasty has a history of this.   Half a dozen people are not saying something because he is doing something you described .   He did this simply because he wants me to shut up about his 6k btc loss.

2)  OgNasty has a history of playing the victim as well.  He brought your name into this thread - take the extortion up with him. 

Here's the thing that a lot of people don't seem to understand about the trust system, the difference between a trust rating and a trust list inclusion:

• If you trust somebody, then leave them a positive trust.
• If you trust their ability to use the trust system correctly, then include them in your trust list.

If mikeywith fits the second category in your opinion, then by all means, add him to your trust list!

What Og was doing was adding users to his trust list who haven't left trust ratings in years, left only a trust rating for Og, or never built a custom trust list... therefore, there's no discernible reason why anybody should add them to their trust list! Its quite obvious he was adding them on the basis that they left him a positive trust, and making them DT ups his own trust score, which is pretty cheeseball maneuvering.

Just because you trust somebody's ability to execute trades faithfully on-forum, it does not mean that they have good judgment when it comes to use the trust system. Someone could be highly trustworthy and a salt-of-the-earth person IRL, but they might have terrible judgment of others and leave crap trust ratings. It happens quite a bit actually.

mikeywith is already in DT so your inclusion doesn't "scratch" you in any way. This is in no way comparable to what OgNasty is doing with his +20.

I'm sorry to hear that you see that incident years ago this way. I thought I was doing you a favor letting you know that you have an accusation against you that you may have not seen.

It's unfortunate that it has come to this comparison. OgNasty is a habitual liar. He's been doing using the trust system to settle his petty personal disputes for years. Not something I would say about you and most other top-trusted users on this forum. Even having to spell that out is just feeding OgNasty's ego. Yes, he might not steal your money. No, he can't be trusted to be truthful and have sound judgement.

I would agree with LoyceV, if this is self scratching (which I think too is it but users have the right to add people on their custom trust list, unless they are adding alt account or making huge difference, I wouldn’t care much), it’s not creating a lot of differences with their trust score while there are people who have self scratched for more than 30% of their feedback.

Thank you for sharing your story and standing up for what is right. Years ago I was attacked in similar fashion as stated as well. I also buckled to their demands. This is what they do, and if trusted members such as ourselves can be bullied like this, just imagine how many less established members have fallen victim to these attacks over the years so that these users can over-inflate their worth here. You should add everyone you see fit to the trust network and feel safe in doing so without some public attack campaign making all sorts of false allegations based on incorrect assumptions.

Others should take notice that this is what suchmoon and friends do. Most won’t speak up and philipma1957 is being more courageous than many realize by publicly outing this abusive and inappropriate harassment to attack anyone standing in the way of their complete control of the trust network. I’m sure there are many others who would also come forward, but they walked away from bitcointalk instead of fighting against these attacks.

I was going to stay out of here.  Years ago suchmoon touted me to a thread saying I was the worst back scratcher on the forum.

I don't remember  the thread starter and I handled it be saying yeah cool whatever .  Tell  me whom to take off the trust list and I will as I don't want the

politics.

This time after reading this thread I realized I want to put mikeywith on my trust list why is that?

Because I just did a 500 dollar favor for him. I purchased 2 cpu's at micro center for 199+299 = 498 + tax = 513 usd.

I shipped to a reshipper that shipped to him. I think I charged him 20 bucks to do it.

mikeywith is trustworthy and has done a lot on the forum .

I never got around to giving him a trust because I rarely give trusts to people I have not done business with.

He could have caused me grief by saying I burnt him and sent empty boxes.  So while he trusted me to send him the right  gear and I did do that.

I trusted him to tell that I did right or to at a minimum tell nothing at all.

By the standards here I would be called a self scratcher if I now put mikeywith on my trust list.

So I have a problem with the attack being done to OgNasty as a similar one was done to me years ago in this section.

I have never been accused of cheating anyone on this website. But I was accused of self scratching.  Maybe some one could dig it up it was before 2016.

So in protest of these attacks against self scratching I just put mikeywith on my trust list.

As he deserved it before I helped him buy gear. And he simply made me more sure when he gave me a trust.

he is now trusted by me.

I could add 20 well trusted people to my list that I did business with,but I won't.

 I find this kind of thread is a bit extorting to me as I do not want to see me on top of the self scratch list. As I was years ago.

This is the second time you're bringing this up, unprompted. Is that why you added those users - to push Vod down on the recognition score? And to drag an unrelated person into your spat with Vod? That's quite pathetic even for a douchenozzle like you.