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Quote from: Cherylstar86 on July 27, 2021, 10:25:38 PM

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Quote from: Quidat on July 27, 2021, 05:20:38 PM

Dealing with easy m0ney or simply with HYIPS is just suicide and only fools who do only believe on this one and even think that they could really get rich with this one.
Just let them be into those people who do really believe initially because sooner or later they would really be realizing on how hard to earn money and not just really
relying with luck because you are just basically doing gambling if you do have this kind of behavior and also this is why lots of people get victimized with scams
due to this kind of mindset but once you do gain experience you would realize everything.,

Experience in the crypto world will teach us many things, therefore people who are experienced in the crypto world are usually wiser in making
decisions. While beginners usually want to get instant profits, which will only lead them to losses. The wrong mindset by assuming high risk
investment will make us get rich faster, because making money is not easy. It took a long process and patience, in the end it is not surprising
that many beginners are victims of fraud, because they really don't understand how crypto works.

Indeed. Our world was full of risk which sometimes we don't give our attention that's why we have a hard time to understand everything and didn't develop ourselves. Young and naive guy know the risk, but still they try because they know they can handle it and do it without any hesitation that might they lose money because of it. And now, as we can see, some of them are already a millionaire because they make their experiences and all their mistakes as their inspiration to become better. If you know how to hold and face those hard times then you will become rich, I tell you.

People who learn a lot from the mistakes they have made, they begin to be able to face every risk that exists in crypto investment. So don't ever
be lazy to learn, because learning a lot can make us grow and make wise decisions. Even many investors who are already rich and successful,
never stop learning, because it keeps them on the right track. So most of the rich people have gone through many experiences in their lives,
because being rich cannot be obtained overnight.

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Quote from: justdimin on July 27, 2021, 12:50:30 AM

It is not even close if you ask me. Unless you are holding some small cap very high risk coin, I would say that holding a coin profits a lot more, gambling is guaranteed loss, holding a coin is not a guaranteed loss. Can you lose money? Of course, but will you lose it all? Unless you happen to buy a coin that is so brand new that it is not even released yet and you bought it on presale and then they end up with causing you to get rug pulled or anything, then you are fine.

Go ahead and hold bitcoin, it is almost 100% guaranteed that given enough time you are going to profit and that is what people care for, making good enough profit is all we can ask for, gambling is not like that, you are going to end up losing all of your money there for sure. This is why I honestly think that gambling and long term holding are just the opposite, one makes you money while other loses you money.

This is true, they are not even close because in gambling house edge guarantees losing money. I personally believe that investment is the only way out of poverty in this world, I have met with people who had 40% savings rate, that means they save 40% of all their income, which is insane to think about, if I wanted to do the same thing I would have to stay at home all day, even maybe make more than I do right now just a bit, and eat remain food every single day, eat very cheap and bad food, and do nothing.

At the end of the day just the bills I pay every month is about 20% of my whole salary anyway, which means that I am left with a very tiny amount, considering I smoke (which I should stop I know) I end up with another 10% just from that.

So long story short is it possible to do something like this? It is possible but at the end of the day you would have to live a horrible life for a decade and then you can retire, I do not think that 10 years of horrible life would be psychologically good afterwards.

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If you want to get good returns, then obviously you need to take a very high level of risk. Back in 2011 and 2012, no one actually believed that Bitcoin would go up by 5,000 times in a decade. So those who invested in it back then were taking an extremely high amount of risk. Now you will not get another 5000 times return, if you invest in Bitcoin at the current levels. For that, you need to invest in newer projects. But those with 5-6 years of experience in the cryptocurrency sector will be able to better select the projects that have a good future potential.

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Quote from: Quidat on July 27, 2021, 05:20:38 PM

Quote from: sulendra12 on July 27, 2021, 12:26:44 PM

Quote from: Wakate on July 23, 2021, 05:13:38 PM

Taking too much risks in trading and investing is a form of gambling. High risks taker might be luck to make good profits in certain trades while the rest could lead to bad luck.

I agree that the luck takes a part of your success but do keep in mind that you should not rely on luck. Your skill and your decision could make stuff different than what you would have thought. But, assuming that high risk investment means gambling is kinda stupid for me. Gambling is 100% luck compared to investment where investment the research and your decision are reasons why you get the profit.

Dealing with easy m0ney or simply with HYIPS is just suicide and only fools who do only believe on this one and even think that they could really get rich with this one.
Just let them be into those people who do really believe initially because sooner or later they would really be realizing on how hard to earn money and not just really
relying with luck because you are just basically doing gambling if you do have this kind of behavior and also this is why lots of people get victimized with scams
due to this kind of mindset but once you do gain experience you would realize everything.,

Agreed, but we all knew that when we were newbies, we put our money into HYIPs because they were not yet well-known and we believed that we would make a lot of money in the long run. We initially believed it was the only way to make money and that it was also very simple, which it is not. People want easy money with little effort, which leads to us losing money and being scammed. But now that people are aware of it, scammers are becoming fewer as they are unable to make any money.

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Quote from: Wawa2013 on July 27, 2021, 06:55:29 PM

Quote from: Quidat on July 27, 2021, 05:20:38 PM

Quote from: sulendra12 on July 27, 2021, 12:26:44 PM

Quote from: Wakate on July 23, 2021, 05:13:38 PM

Taking too much risks in trading and investing is a form of gambling. High risks taker might be luck to make good profits in certain trades while the rest could lead to bad luck.

I agree that the luck takes a part of your success but do keep in mind that you should not rely on luck. Your skill and your decision could make stuff different than what you would have thought. But, assuming that high risk investment means gambling is kinda stupid for me. Gambling is 100% luck compared to investment where investment the research and your decision are reasons why you get the profit.

Dealing with easy m0ney or simply with HYIPS is just suicide and only fools who do only believe on this one and even think that they could really get rich with this one.
Just let them be into those people who do really believe initially because sooner or later they would really be realizing on how hard to earn money and not just really
relying with luck because you are just basically doing gambling if you do have this kind of behavior and also this is why lots of people get victimized with scams
due to this kind of mindset but once you do gain experience you would realize everything.,

Experience in the crypto world will teach us many things, therefore people who are experienced in the crypto world are usually wiser in making
decisions. While beginners usually want to get instant profits, which will only lead them to losses. The wrong mindset by assuming high risk
investment will make us get rich faster, because making money is not easy. It took a long process and patience, in the end it is not surprising
that many beginners are victims of fraud, because they really don't understand how crypto works.

Indeed. Our world was full of risk which sometimes we don't give our attention that's why we have a hard time to understand everything and didn't develop ourselves. Young and naive guy know the risk, but still they try because they know they can handle it and do it without any hesitation that might they lose money because of it. And now, as we can see, some of them are already a millionaire because they make their experiences and all their mistakes as their inspiration to become better. If you know how to hold and face those hard times then you will become rich, I tell you.

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Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on July 15, 2021, 05:06:25 AM

Only young and naive guy believe in high risk high return

In the world wars, young and naive people go to battle field and fight each other to death, they take risk to protect the war that they can never win, while they’re being manipulate by the other group of elite who do not like to take such risk. These elite tell the young people to take the risk despite they know it’s risky and they don’t want take the risk but want someone else to take such risk. Many people died and sacrificed in the war that can’t be won. The elite do not take the risk, not only they didn’t take risk they also profit a lot from the war, for the people who love to advocate high risk high return, NOPE you’re wrong, they take no risk while they can make the maximum profit that those of you who take risk can only dream of.

Since the war is over, it’s not profitable for the elite anymore. They know what is their next move after the war. Yup, money, they’re now looking at money, they know money has the same properties to a world war, they also know they do not like to take risk, so now they tell all you idiot to take risk that they don’t want to take and deceive you to believe high risk high return, you’re real idiot if you didn’t learn from the previous lesson, you’re idiot if you didn’t learn from the world wars, you’re idiot to take risk that they tell you to take while they making maximum profit taking no risk at all.

Lol. The world is full of risks. Early bitcoin adopters knew the risk but guess what? They are millionaires now. If you dont know how to hold then you wont become rich.

By your philosophy of war, it's true that young people fought the war. However, calling them naive is quite unfair. They fought war because they want their loved ones to have freedom from oppression. If not those young, who else would? Those elites are old and probably business man who knows nothing but how to make money and politics. You probably have no knowledge in wars.

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Quote from: Quidat on July 27, 2021, 05:20:38 PM

Quote from: sulendra12 on July 27, 2021, 12:26:44 PM

Quote from: Wakate on July 23, 2021, 05:13:38 PM

Taking too much risks in trading and investing is a form of gambling. High risks taker might be luck to make good profits in certain trades while the rest could lead to bad luck.

I agree that the luck takes a part of your success but do keep in mind that you should not rely on luck. Your skill and your decision could make stuff different than what you would have thought. But, assuming that high risk investment means gambling is kinda stupid for me. Gambling is 100% luck compared to investment where investment the research and your decision are reasons why you get the profit.

Dealing with easy m0ney or simply with HYIPS is just suicide and only fools who do only believe on this one and even think that they could really get rich with this one.
Just let them be into those people who do really believe initially because sooner or later they would really be realizing on how hard to earn money and not just really
relying with luck because you are just basically doing gambling if you do have this kind of behavior and also this is why lots of people get victimized with scams
due to this kind of mindset but once you do gain experience you would realize everything.,

Experience in the crypto world will teach us many things, therefore people who are experienced in the crypto world are usually wiser in making
decisions. While beginners usually want to get instant profits, which will only lead them to losses. The wrong mindset by assuming high risk
investment will make us get rich faster, because making money is not easy. It took a long process and patience, in the end it is not surprising
that many beginners are victims of fraud, because they really don't understand how crypto works.

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Quote from: JillianTaft on July 23, 2021, 02:23:49 AM

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Well, OP is wrong in a lot of places, I mean it has been shown that some high risk and high reward endeavors do pay off big time so I don't get why OP is saying that people who have this kind of approach are naive, I think OP is the naive one here.

it's clear that @op has an employee mentality....those who think they are safe are definitely employees and civil servants, they will not want to try high-risk things even though the profit they get can be large. "high risk high return" is one of the words spoken by rich dad of Robert Kiyosaki.

I never read the book rich dad which was written by Kiyosaki but the OP statement says it all and I believe zanezane is the person that's lost or don't understand much about how influential people abuse their ability, the pump/dump group set their followers as prey, and how Roi investment scam their users which is what the OP trying to point out but she said it all in parables.

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Quote from: sulendra12 on July 27, 2021, 12:26:44 PM

Quote from: Wakate on July 23, 2021, 05:13:38 PM

Taking too much risks in trading and investing is a form of gambling. High risks taker might be luck to make good profits in certain trades while the rest could lead to bad luck.

I agree that the luck takes a part of your success but do keep in mind that you should not rely on luck. Your skill and your decision could make stuff different than what you would have thought. But, assuming that high risk investment means gambling is kinda stupid for me. Gambling is 100% luck compared to investment where investment the research and your decision are reasons why you get the profit.

Dealing with easy m0ney or simply with HYIPS is just suicide and only fools who do only believe on this one and even think that they could really get rich with this one.
Just let them be into those people who do really believe initially because sooner or later they would really be realizing on how hard to earn money and not just really
relying with luck because you are just basically doing gambling if you do have this kind of behavior and also this is why lots of people get victimized with scams
due to this kind of mindset but once you do gain experience you would realize everything.,

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Quote from: Kong Hey Pakboy on July 22, 2021, 04:32:48 AM

Well, if being naive is taking high risk then call me as one because the moment that I have invested in bitcoin I was ready for all the risk that there is for me to see. Also, isn't life all about taking risks and taking the win? If you don't take risk OP then you are probably a coward.

The asset that you select to invest is only one of the risks that you are taking, also it can be argued that investing in bitcoin now is not such a big risk at all.

The ones that invested in bitcoin at the beginning took a big risk since they were putting their money in something which they did not knew will have any chance of succeeding, they were right on the risk they took but they could have been wrong and lost their money, so your risk is not only constituted by the asset in which you invest, but the time at which you do, the price and the amount of capital you use to do so.

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Quote from: Wakate on July 23, 2021, 05:13:38 PM

Taking too much risks in trading and investing is a form of gambling. High risks taker might be luck to make good profits in certain trades while the rest could lead to bad luck.

I agree that the luck takes a part of your success but do keep in mind that you should not rely on luck. Your skill and your decision could make stuff different than what you would have thought. But, assuming that high risk investment means gambling is kinda stupid for me. Gambling is 100% luck compared to investment where investment the research and your decision are reasons why you get the profit.

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Quote from: zanezane on July 23, 2021, 04:09:25 AM

Quote from: JillianTaft on July 23, 2021, 02:23:49 AM

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Well, OP is wrong in a lot of places, I mean it has been shown that some high risk and high reward endeavors do pay off big time so I don't get why OP is saying that people who have this kind of approach are naive, I think OP is the naive one here.

it's clear that @op has an employee mentality....those who think they are safe are definitely employees and civil servants, they will not want to try high-risk things even though the profit they get can be large. "high risk high return" is one of the words spoken by rich dad of Robert Kiyosaki.

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Quote from: Wakate on July 23, 2021, 05:13:38 PM

Taking too much risks in trading and investing is a form of gambling.

That's risking not gambling. There is both risk in trading, investing and gambling. But I guess in general understanding, people just giving all of them one meaning as taking risk is equals to gambling.

Quote from: Wakate on July 23, 2021, 05:13:38 PM

High risks taker might be luck to make good profits in certain trades while the rest could lead to bad luck. This is why it's not good to copy people's style of trading especially if it has high risks value. Lesser risks is enough to execute a trade in order to avoid unnecessary regrets.

In investing, there's no such as luck. They're all based on analysis and speculation, well, maybe a little of luck but it's not all about luck when someone invests and made a profit out of it.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on July 26, 2021, 01:50:36 AM

Quote from: Ultegra134 on July 25, 2021, 05:25:23 AM

Any kind of risk is gambling, even holding might be considered gambling, because the future is uncertain. Trading is definitely a risky (but profitable) practice, which I used to do in the past. My profit could even surpass 10% on each trade, but stopped because it was too much of a gamble for me. It's a great earning opportunity, if you're willing to take such risks, I couldn't though.

Both are risky. You are correct, but choosing between gambling in a casino and holding a coin for a long period of time, as you stated, is better for me to hold a caoin because I have a higher percentage of gaining profit or if I am losing, I can cut it down so that all of my coin will not be lost, unlike gambling, which will be gone in one second if you are unlucky, unlike holding a coin which you can keep forever until it has a value

It is not even close if you ask me. Unless you are holding some small cap very high risk coin, I would say that holding a coin profits a lot more, gambling is guaranteed loss, holding a coin is not a guaranteed loss. Can you lose money? Of course, but will you lose it all? Unless you happen to buy a coin that is so brand new that it is not even released yet and you bought it on presale and then they end up with causing you to get rug pulled or anything, then you are fine.

Go ahead and hold bitcoin, it is almost 100% guaranteed that given enough time you are going to profit and that is what people care for, making good enough profit is all we can ask for, gambling is not like that, you are going to end up losing all of your money there for sure. This is why I honestly think that gambling and long term holding are just the opposite, one makes you money while other loses you money.

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Quote from: SaiyanSS3 on July 15, 2021, 06:26:55 AM

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>Certainly, war is no high-risk high-return, is high-risk low-return, and is not an investment - not for the individuals that take part on in directly at least.
Some people would regard PEACE as the highest form of return one can imagine, you would never appreciate until you have no more PEACE. Is war high risk high return? There is little to doubt about it. Those guy who are evilly genius know very well PEACE is just a worthless feeling and worth nothing, it’s just a feeling of secure, but PEACE mean a lot to very poor people who are constantly in troubles.

>It is not as much as being fooled because of age, it has a lot to do with the culture and the knowledge and the beliefs.
Age is very reliable factor, knowledge is accumulated through ages, nobody can be instant knowledgeable especially when you’re being indoctrinated with false knowledge for ages, you can’t never see the light.

>Most of those who want you to fight for them or given them your money will speak of "country", "god", "freedom", "patriotism",... but they will only be thinking of power, money, land,... They will use your goodwill and your love for their purposes. Those who only take news from one side or do not want to listen to other´s points of view, and think that only certain party o leader or book has the absolute truth and all else is wrong are the ones most at risk of being manipulated into a wrongful conflict.
Very impressive briefing, I would happily advocate such knowledge to all young and naive guy.

>However, in business, high risk high return exists and sometimes there are low risk high return opportunities. Is no longer a question of elites, anyone can choose to learn how to take advantage.
War is always profitable, high risk high return existed during wars, you have a lot of wars, world wars, currency wars... YUP you’re not dumb to think currency as a form of wars!! In the end wars is mostly mental state, the actual killing in wars is only consist of a very small part of the entire world wars, we all spend huge amount of time in the workload that’s outside of the killing, we spend most time in politics negotiations during the wars, we spend most time on mental gymnastics during the world wars, the killing is the last moment that would only last for a few weeks.

>Re "elites" actually, they do invest in risky ventures - if they loose they still have plenty, whereas if you loose it will mean something for your.
What if I tell you the elite are not young and naive guy? They’re all smart and also very old guy??

On peace... yes that is the point.

Age is one factor, but people of all ages are drawn to fight if they have no knowledge of the consequences... or if they have nothing to loose.

I would not say impressive, but yes, it describes in a few words half a life of learning and observation thank you.

Killing for a few weeks... money wars... too long of a topic, but the last two World Wars lasted years and killed millions.

Re Elites... yes they are young and old both, but certainly naivety is certainly not in their dictionary. Zuckerberg was not naïve, I dare to say that since he was 5.

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You are saying right that the youngster can take more risk then the old age peoples. A youngster is more energetic and passionate with their work. They do work with passion. But the old peoples think many times before taking any risk. But sometimes high risk goes opposite and you will struck in loss. So, just take risk which you can face. Don't take high risk that you cannot face. But high risk will give you high returns.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on July 25, 2021, 05:25:23 AM

Quote from: Wakate on July 23, 2021, 05:13:38 PM

Taking too much risks in trading and investing is a form of gambling. High risks taker might be luck to make good profits in certain trades while the rest could lead to bad luck. This is why it's not good to copy people's style of trading especially if it has high risks value. Lesser risks is enough to execute a trade in order to avoid unnecessary regrets.

Any kind of risk is gambling, even holding might be considered gambling, because the future is uncertain. Trading is definitely a risky (but profitable) practice, which I used to do in the past. My profit could even surpass 10% on each trade, but stopped because it was too much of a gamble for me. It's a great earning opportunity, if you're willing to take such risks, I couldn't though.

Both are risky. You are correct, but choosing between gambling in a casino and holding a coin for a long period of time, as you stated, is better for me to hold a caoin because I have a higher percentage of gaining profit or if I am losing, I can cut it down so that all of my coin will not be lost, unlike gambling, which will be gone in one second if you are unlucky, unlike holding a coin which you can keep forever until it has a value

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Quote from: JillianTaft on July 23, 2021, 02:23:49 AM

OP means that high-risk and high-reward should not be believed? As a crypto investor, isn't it a high-risk place in the crypto market? Without risk, there is no proportional return, and only if you have the ability to take risks can you be eligible for profit.

The context of Op is not related to the economy and of course, war is different from the economy. It's a life and death situation and it's not a good idea to talk about high risk and high return because it looks like someone is playing their(soldiers) lives by monetizing it through the act of war. I wouldn't talk more about of it since it's a complicated situation.

Anyway, in investment the high risk, high return is a 50-50 chance and is not a good idea to encourage it to everyone because of the high risk involved. It should be better if we talk about how to minimize the risk and how to gain profit with a low risk involved.

The lower the risk the better.

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