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March 24, 2015, 01:01:57 PM
The markets themselves wern't the weak links. I think most of the people that get caught were caught from making silly errors like Ross was. It's not that hard to track the sellers down when you have to go and post the items. You can find fingerprints on packages and narrow down where they're sent from. Then you just stake out the places and wait. Eventually you'll get a catch.

Yes, good old fashion police work will still catch "criminals" , but what happens when you have a market of thousands of small time dealers competing in a thriving market with little assets each to seize? They can make a few examples at a loss but will eventually run out of money and have to focus their attention on the larger criminals.

Some small time dealers who make mistakes will indeed be caught as well, many small dealers that follow a few precautions will be able to thrive and good for them. I will only be selling legal items on openbazzar as I would have to be a complete idiot to be so outspoken and try and sell illegal items. (additionally, I'm not a fan of drugs, and drug users and want no part of that business)
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March 24, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
You can't arrest or put people in jail when no crime has been committed or even before one has. They don't have some sort of Minority Report Pre-Crime Internet Unit. They'll just have to learn to deal with it when it comes and go after the individual dealers which is what will happen.

It will be interesting to see how tracking down individual drug dealers will be effective with a decentralized marketplace with strong privacy protections built in. It took the combined efforts of multiple departments and millions to catch Ross Ulbrict. They may find that they have a limited budget and need to focus on investigating murders for hire and child porn instead of victimless crimes like drug dealing.

The markets themselves wern't the weak links. I think most of the people that get caught were caught from making silly errors like Ross was. It's not that hard to track the sellers down when you have to go and post the items. You can find fingerprints on packages and narrow down where they're sent from. Then you just stake out the places and wait. Eventually you'll get a catch.
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March 24, 2015, 12:53:04 PM
You can't arrest or put people in jail when no crime has been committed or even before one has. They don't have some sort of Minority Report Pre-Crime Internet Unit. They'll just have to learn to deal with it when it comes and go after the individual dealers which is what will happen.

It will be interesting to see how tracking down individual drug dealers will be effective with a decentralized marketplace with strong privacy protections built in. It took the combined efforts of multiple departments and millions to catch Ross Ulbrict. They may find that they have a limited budget and need to focus on investigating murders for hire and child porn instead of victimless crimes like drug dealing.

The idea is to make it unaffordable to fund the war on drugs with asset forfeiture alone.

you obviously forgot how much the government made from selling of his bitcoins.
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March 24, 2015, 12:48:26 PM
You can't arrest or put people in jail when no crime has been committed or even before one has. They don't have some sort of Minority Report Pre-Crime Internet Unit. They'll just have to learn to deal with it when it comes and go after the individual dealers which is what will happen.

It will be interesting to see how tracking down individual drug dealers will be effective with a decentralized marketplace with strong privacy protections built in. It took the combined efforts of multiple departments and millions to catch Ross Ulbrict. They may find that they have a limited budget and need to focus on investigating murders for hire and child porn instead of victimless crimes like drug dealing.

The idea is to make it unaffordable to fund the war on drugs with asset forfeiture alone. Drugs will become legal and regulated because it is obsolete and too expensive to attempt to criminalize it. They will be forced to accelerate decriminalization and legalization which is a great step in both reducing addicts, preventing disease, and liberating society.

I expect large drug kingpins to be caught through enough effort and investigation on openbazaar, but many small dealers will slip by in a thriving market of both legal and illegal goods and services.
newbie
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March 24, 2015, 12:48:10 PM
right which will make more honest people afraid of it, plus ebay will pay big money to put bad media and govs will pay to give it more bad rep.

I dont care if there are not in it for profit but allowing somthing like this big, is very dangerous. 

Some people will think it is very dangerous whilst others will see it as very liberating. Some people are of the opinion that drugs shouldn't be ilegal and these sorts of markets give those people the freedom to chose which they should be able to.
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March 24, 2015, 12:43:30 PM
open bazzar will become another dark market site, and will be destroyed by govs, this is a waste of time and money.  This site shouldnt be released, cause its to much of a political statment.  The can make this site illegal, and you will def not have privacy.  This site might get traffic but from the dark side.  People are not geeks will not trust a system like, this as people like to have a place or someone to contact, we are in a world where social is everything.  Not a good idea for legitimate people.
This is what will happen if you sell or buy at another Dark Market site, do you think legit sellers are gonna sell here?

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/europol-threatens-come-people-using-bitcoin-dark-net-marketplaces-like-silk-road-3-0/

What are you talking about? How can govs destroy it when there's no central authority to take down? You might as wells ay the gov will take down bitcoin because they're based on the same principals and are both great political statements. If people want drugs let them have it. If people want decentralized digital money let them have that too.
They can arrest the or stop the creators, or put them all in jail before it can happen

You can't arrest or put people in jail when no crime has been committed or even before one has. They don't have some sort of Minority Report Pre-Crime Internet Unit. They'll just have to learn to deal with it when it comes and go after the individual dealers which is what will happen.
 right which will make more honest people afraid of it, plus ebay will pay big money to put bad media and govs will pay to give it more bad rep.

I dont care if there are not in it for profit but allowing somthing like this big, is very dangerous.  Dont get me wrong I am all in for anonymity but now with something like this.  This can help terrorist get out more messages.  You dont understand you going to make it more dangerous world.  who knows the true intention of this Hoffman character and his goons, maybe they are gettting paid by terror group put a site like this, you see how you guys already lose in a court?  I already painted a great picture.  The FBI will see this as a threat.  ------ Just got  a call back and hes glad I reported it.  Good news for us who worry about security.
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March 24, 2015, 12:40:36 PM
open bazzar will become another dark market site, and will be destroyed by govs, this is a waste of time and money.  This site shouldnt be released, cause its to much of a political statment.  The can make this site illegal, and you will def not have privacy.  This site might get traffic but from the dark side.  People are not geeks will not trust a system like, this as people like to have a place or someone to contact, we are in a world where social is everything.  Not a good idea for legitimate people.
This is what will happen if you sell or buy at another Dark Market site, do you think legit sellers are gonna sell here?

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/europol-threatens-come-people-using-bitcoin-dark-net-marketplaces-like-silk-road-3-0/

What are you talking about? How can govs destroy it when there's no central authority to take down? You might as wells ay the gov will take down bitcoin because they're based on the same principals and are both great political statements. If people want drugs let them have it. If people want decentralized digital money let them have that too.
They can arrest the or stop the creators, or put them all in jail before it can happen

You can't arrest or put people in jail when no crime has been committed or even before one has. They don't have some sort of Minority Report Pre-Crime Internet Unit. They'll just have to learn to deal with it when it comes and go after the individual dealers which is what will happen.
sr. member
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March 24, 2015, 12:39:46 PM
open bazzar will become another dark market site, and will be destroyed by govs, this is a waste of time and money.  This site shouldnt be released, cause its to much of a political statment.  The can make this site illegal, and you will def not have privacy.  

How does a government shutdown an open source project? Have the combined efforts of the most powerful governments been able to shutdown decentralized organizations like :

https://defdist.org
https://wikileaks.org
https://thepiratebay.se

? Most governments hate the organizations above and have spent 100s of millions attempting to shut them down. How is that working for them?

I will personally be setting up shop with the express purpose of selling as many legal items as possible under OpenBazaar when it comes out of the Beta we are testing. I will make sure that many some of these legal products support charities and non profits. Any attack on OpenBazaar will be attacking donation streams going to legitimate charities. OpenBazaar will become understood as a neutral marketplace and repercussions will occur if anyone attacks it.

also one more thing, They willl all work together to take your bitcoins, stop doing things in the dark and let them know this is a bad idea.  Dont play this on a political term, also im sure the owner who is making this site will be arrested for making a site, just for making it.  how will the protect themselves legally?

You don't get it do you? This is a decentralized open source project. Unlike the silk road the developers aren't making profits from it, aren't marketing it as a drug site,  and don't control it. Your naive statements are akin to suggesting Bitcoin can be shutdown if everyone in the bitcoin foundation is arrested.  

Agreed inBitwetrust. Combined efforts have done nothing to stop torrrents, in fact p2p filesharing flourishes. This market concept can have nothing but a positive effect overall. Sure some people will sell things that are illegal in certain jurisdictions. It is a game of whack-a-mole however, as soon as one site is removed new technologies and sites replace it. Supply and demand.

yeah what if a new law passes agaisnt this type of things, then, what?  you think new laws cant be made?
legendary
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March 24, 2015, 12:37:44 PM
open bazzar will become another dark market site, and will be destroyed by govs, this is a waste of time and money.  This site shouldnt be released, cause its to much of a political statment.  The can make this site illegal, and you will def not have privacy.  

How does a government shutdown an open source project? Have the combined efforts of the most powerful governments been able to shutdown decentralized organizations like :

https://defdist.org
https://wikileaks.org
https://thepiratebay.se

? Most governments hate the organizations above and have spent 100s of millions attempting to shut them down. How is that working for them?

I will personally be setting up shop with the express purpose of selling as many legal items as possible under OpenBazaar when it comes out of the Beta we are testing. I will make sure that many some of these legal products support charities and non profits. Any attack on OpenBazaar will be attacking donation streams going to legitimate charities. OpenBazaar will become understood as a neutral marketplace and repercussions will occur if anyone attacks it.

also one more thing, They willl all work together to take your bitcoins, stop doing things in the dark and let them know this is a bad idea.  Dont play this on a political term, also im sure the owner who is making this site will be arrested for making a site, just for making it.  how will the protect themselves legally?

You don't get it do you? This is a decentralized open source project. Unlike the silk road the developers aren't making profits from it, aren't marketing it as a drug site,  and don't control it. Your naive statements are akin to suggesting Bitcoin can be shutdown if everyone in the bitcoin foundation is arrested.  

Agreed inBitwetrust. Combined efforts have done nothing to stop torrrents, in fact p2p filesharing flourishes. This market concept can have nothing but a positive effect overall. Sure some people will sell things that are illegal in certain jurisdictions. It is a game of whack-a-mole however, as soon as one site is removed new technologies and sites replace it. Supply and demand.
sr. member
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March 24, 2015, 12:30:46 PM
Thats why Im going to call someone I know in the FBI to make sure they dont release it.

Please do a spell check and go ahead and call the FBI/NSA on OpenBazaar and me. Newsflash, they already are aware of us. I don;t know whether you are a troll or actually this obtuse but you have earned a ignore from me sir.

ahh so your part of them good to know.  

ok just got in touch with someone, and he will see if they knew about it.  They can get it stopped before it takes off.
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March 24, 2015, 12:30:18 PM
Thats why Im going to call someone I know in the FBI to make sure they dont release it.

Please do a spell check and go ahead and call the FBI/NSA on OpenBazaar and me. Newsflash, they already are aware of us. I don't know whether you are a troll or actually this obtuse but you have earned a ignore from me sir.
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March 24, 2015, 12:25:42 PM
They can arrest the or stop the creators, or put them all in jail before it can happen

Open bazaar is a fork of Darkmarket. If they arrest all the devs more will step up to take their place out of an act of solidarity.

This is going to happen whether you like it or not and nothing is going to shut it down.

Thats why Im going to call someone I know in the FBI to make sure they dont release it.
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March 24, 2015, 12:24:24 PM
They can arrest the or stop the creators, or put them all in jail before it can happen

Open bazaar is a fork of Darkmarket. If they arrest all the devs more will step up to take their place out of an act of solidarity.

This is going to happen whether you like it or not and nothing is going to shut it down.

I meant they have been taking donations for something that hasnt been put up yet

You must be trolling .... Open bazaar has always been released and been working for months.

https://github.com/OpenBazaar/OpenBazaar
https://github.com/OpenBazaar/OpenBazaar/wiki/Build-Instructions
https://blog.openbazaar.org/beta-3-0-tabriz-is-released/
sr. member
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March 24, 2015, 12:24:14 PM
I meant they have been taking donations for something that hasnt been put up yet
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March 24, 2015, 12:21:19 PM
also one more thing, They willl all work together to take your bitcoins, stop doing things in the dark and let them know this is a bad idea.  Dont play this on a political term, also im sure the owner who is making this site will be arrested for making a site, just for making it.  how will the protect themselves legally?

Lol. Are you trolling? They couldn't take your bitcoins as this is the whole point of decentralized exchanges. And the owner can't be arrested because they've done nothing wrong. Creating a free and open market isn't illegal, but what people choose to sell or buy on there might be.
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March 24, 2015, 12:20:19 PM
open bazzar will become another dark market site, and will be destroyed by govs, this is a waste of time and money.  This site shouldnt be released, cause its to much of a political statment.  The can make this site illegal, and you will def not have privacy.  This site might get traffic but from the dark side.  People are not geeks will not trust a system like, this as people like to have a place or someone to contact, we are in a world where social is everything.  Not a good idea for legitimate people.
This is what will happen if you sell or buy at another Dark Market site, do you think legit sellers are gonna sell here?

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/europol-threatens-come-people-using-bitcoin-dark-net-marketplaces-like-silk-road-3-0/

What are you talking about? How can govs destroy it when there's no central authority to take down? You might as wells ay the gov will take down bitcoin because they're based on the same principals and are both great political statements. If people want drugs let them have it. If people want decentralized digital money let them have that too.
They can arrest the or stop the creators, or put them all in jail before it can happen
hero member
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March 24, 2015, 12:18:52 PM
open bazzar will become another dark market site, and will be destroyed by govs, this is a waste of time and money.  This site shouldnt be released, cause its to much of a political statment.  The can make this site illegal, and you will def not have privacy.  This site might get traffic but from the dark side.  People are not geeks will not trust a system like, this as people like to have a place or someone to contact, we are in a world where social is everything.  Not a good idea for legitimate people.
This is what will happen if you sell or buy at another Dark Market site, do you think legit sellers are gonna sell here?

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/europol-threatens-come-people-using-bitcoin-dark-net-marketplaces-like-silk-road-3-0/

What are you talking about? How can govs destroy it when there's no central authority to take down? You might as wells ay the gov will take down bitcoin because they're based on the same principals and are both great political statements. If people want drugs let them have it. If people want decentralized digital money let them have that too.
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March 24, 2015, 12:17:08 PM
ok your one of the few that will do that, and who says the black market sellers will do what your doing?  your really nieve if you think this site is going to get good rep, not having a way to remove bad sellers.

Straw manning my position now? OpenBazaar will indeed have a good and bad reputation dependent upon the viewpoint of users. Statists and governments will indeed hate it like they do with my other cited examples.

I don't like drugs,except a bit of chocolate and coffee, but I believe all all drugs should be legal and the illegality of them is harmful to society and immoral.

I will be selling legal items on OpenBazzar and attaching charity and non-profit sources with the express purpose of helping OpenBazzar succeed despite any objection to it
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I have objection to it because there are many people that are already objecting it.  Thanks to this site, bitcoin will get more bad rep.  why dont you do your charity stuff now? How are you going to post pictures and have anonomity?  you think they wont snoop on nodes.  dont understand even if you are going to sell legal items, you still will be a target?

Im sorry but Im about to let the feds no about this and get all freinds make phone calls on this, I dont want a site like this being opened.  Ill do it before its to late
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March 24, 2015, 12:14:36 PM
ok your one of the few that will do that, and who says the black market sellers will do what your doing?  your really nieve if you think this site is going to get good rep, not having a way to remove bad sellers.

Straw manning my position now? OpenBazaar will indeed have a good and bad reputation dependent upon the viewpoint of users. Statists and governments will indeed hate it like they do with my other cited examples.

I don't like drugs,except a bit of chocolate and coffee, but I believe all all drugs should be legal and the illegality of them is harmful to society and immoral.

I will be selling legal items on OpenBazzar and attaching charity and non-profit sources with the express purpose of helping OpenBazzar succeed despite any objection to it

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/30/silk-road-darkmarket-openbazaar-online-drugs-marketplace

here is more bad rep for openbazaar, good luck to open bazaar but I dont see a super huge adoption when it comes to selling legal things, maybe you might a make a good profit selling your illegal porn.  also how you know open bazzar wont disapear with your donations. 

Open bazaar devs barely get any donations for their effort and their wallet is controlled by multiple devs so one persona cannot pilfer the few BTC in their. Any donations given to them is paying for work already done and this is more an act of love and ideologically motivated.

Their will indeed be child porn , terrorists funding, hits for hire, ect on Open bazaar. Just like TOR this is a fair tradeoff to make because the importance of this project succeeds any nefarious uses for this design.

You are a bit confused as to why I intend to sell legal things. Think about it for a moment.
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March 24, 2015, 12:10:16 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/30/silk-road-darkmarket-openbazaar-online-drugs-marketplace

here is more bad rep for openbazaar, good luck to open bazaar but I dont see a super huge adoption when it comes to selling legal things, maybe you might a make a good profit selling your illegal porn.  also how you know open bazzar wont disapear with your donations. 
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