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Topic: Operation Shitcoin Cleanout and Clean Up Has Begun- Join the Revolution- Re-open - page 17. (Read 176874 times)

legendary
Activity: 2156
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if we want to get rid of shitcoins we need to eliminate shitpeople.
shitpeople are the ones making the shitcoins.
they created the shitblizzard and its fault the winds of shit are blowing in their direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srq_MbsUTuM
convince people to stop buying the shitcoins and the shitdevs will leave.

You're joking right ?
legendary
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
An end note from a reformed former political junkie: if you can sell Monero to big corporations on that basis, you will have influential "friends in court" to fend off any Drug-War-style crackdown on anonymous currencies by TPTB. Of course, that means you gotta schmooze them - perhaps through hitting it off with their kids...
Its easier than you might think.  They want it already and are just waiting for the solution.
Multinational Corporations have come to me looking to answer this problem.  Some are already doing it.  
Monero is still too immature, not enough liquidity yet, and the MNC decision cycles are not short, but if CryptoNote continues on the current path, it is the best contender yet for new entrants from that constituency.

Most likely it's easier than I think because I'm stuck in my parents' basement.  Cheesy

But thanks for your dispatch from the outside world: we need more of them. There's so much 'FckBks' lingo around here, and so easy to get sucked into it, we-all need first-person heads-up reports like yours from time to time. Again, thanks for it.

If you don't mind me asking, how did you get around the PR-unfriendly cloud that's hanging over Bitcoin right now?
legendary
Activity: 4004
Merit: 1250
Owner at AltQuick.com
Monero is just the P&D of the week/month (not sure yet.)

A few things concerned me about how the transactions are mixed.

So A sends money to C, but it used ABC & D to send to C.  Seems like a good way for B & D to get in the middle of some shit they really don't want to be involved with... right? (or at least along those lines)

It would be horribly embarrassing for the FBI to come talk to you/family/friends about a kiddie porn payment when you were just holding a crypto-note.

That's not how ring signatures work.

In order for the FBI to come talk to the other parties in the ring group, they would need to completely compromise all parties. This is, of course, unlikely to the point of being impossible.

An analogy is like you being at a coffee shop using the wifi, along with a bunch of other people. Someone in the group does something illegal, and the FBI find out about it. They know there was a group of people, and that it was one of the group, and that's it. They have no video camera footage they can use to identify the participants, just the knowledge of the number of participants.

I'll try to find the image that was presented to me with arrows and I'll edit this post to respond to you.

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What if two of the individuals are involved and paying each other for kiddie porn... wouldn't the FBI just say fuck all this mixing noise and just talk to everyone?

Do the people on that list know that they are involved with each other or is it just the system?
donator
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1060
GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
Monero is just the P&D of the week/month (not sure yet.)

A few things concerned me about how the transactions are mixed.

So A sends money to C, but it used ABC & D to send to C.  Seems like a good way for B & D to get in the middle of some shit they really don't want to be involved with... right? (or at least along those lines)

It would be horribly embarrassing for the FBI to come talk to you/family/friends about a kiddie porn payment when you were just holding a crypto-note.

That's not how ring signatures work.

In order for the FBI to come talk to the other parties in the ring group, they would need to completely compromise all parties. This is, of course, unlikely to the point of being impossible.

An analogy is like you being at a coffee shop using the wifi, along with a bunch of other people. Someone in the group does something illegal, and the FBI find out about it. They know there was a group of people, and that it was one of the group, and that's it. They have no video camera footage they can use to identify the participants, just the knowledge of the number of participants.
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
if we want to get rid of shitcoins we need to eliminate shitpeople.

shitpeople are the ones making the shitcoins.

they created the shitblizzard and its fault the winds of shit are blowing in their direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srq_MbsUTuM

convince people to stop buying the shitcoins and the shitdevs will leave.

Get rid of coinmarketcrap, or only create a place for 20 coins.

ya got a point.

coinmarketcrap gives legitimacy to turdcoins. it even makes it seems like trading turds on shitexchanges makes you into some sort of investor.

the whole thing is fucked when you think about.

some days i feel like a lot of the people in crypto are small childen dressed up in adult clothing and play acting at business.

its hard to believe that real game changing tech is going to emerge from this shithole.

but  it is possible and i keep believing.
legendary
Activity: 4004
Merit: 1250
Owner at AltQuick.com

I swear i would love to punch out the pricks that invented the internet meme term FUD and Troll Roll Eyes


Agree to the fullest extent.

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Monero is just the P&D of the week/month (not sure yet.)

A few things concerned me about how the transactions are mixed.

So A sends money to C, but it used ABC & D to send to C.  Seems like a good way for B & D to get in the middle of some shit they really don't want to be involved with... right? (or at least along those lines)

It would be horribly embarrassing for the FBI to come talk to you/family/friends about a kiddie porn payment when you were just holding a crypto-note.
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1002
Gresham's Lawyer
Good criticism is necessary to advancement.
Without FUD, we'd have none of any Crypto Currency

It was the Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt that the Central Banks have all our best interests in mind all the time (this is of course what we are told in our government accredited schooling), that FUD gave us what we are discussing.

There are some excellent problem identifiers, and excellent problem fixers here, usually not the same person.  When you get someone who is both, they tend to be very very busy.
Thank you to BCX for the attention devoted to the issues.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
Currently held as collateral by monbux
if we want to get rid of shitcoins we need to eliminate shitpeople.

shitpeople are the ones making the shitcoins.

they created the shitblizzard and its fault the winds of shit are blowing in their direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srq_MbsUTuM

convince people to stop buying the shitcoins and the shitdevs will leave.

Get rid of coinmarketcrap, or only create a place for 20 coins.

20 coins? I would say he less it's to cramped and annoying to navigate now thats theres hundreds.
sr. member
Activity: 784
Merit: 272
if we want to get rid of shitcoins we need to eliminate shitpeople.

shitpeople are the ones making the shitcoins.

they created the shitblizzard and its fault the winds of shit are blowing in their direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srq_MbsUTuM

convince people to stop buying the shitcoins and the shitdevs will leave.

Get rid of coinmarketcrap, or only create a place for 20 coins.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1011
FUD Philanthropist™
BitcoinEXpress: Please disclose the amount of Bitcoin you were payed, to participate in ongoing controlled anti monero-FUD campaign and what is part of the agreement.

If you to wan't get respected as pro or some kind of "coin authority", than you have to act professional and disclose, when you do get payed working against (legitmate) coins/projects. (It's a question of credibility & fairness ...) Thank you.

In the mean time, I wish you good luck with personal life. I hope finally had the power to kick off your bad habits.

he is a PRO and he proved it loooooong ago.. so he has nothing to prove.

and YOU are in fact the only one who needs to disclose anything !
that would be your rather nasty accusation that he is being paid to FUD coins.
prove it !
..or STFU.

Further more there is NOTHING wrong with FUD'ing coins.
each and ever single person in Crypto should be fed a steady diet of Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
WHY ? look around you..
FUD = Responsible.

FUD = a term used by scammers to try and white wash their corrupt and deceitful behavior.

your full of a monolithic pile of shit !

you said this..

Quote
ongoing controlled anti monero-FUD campaign

- Ongoing ? ..He made 2 VAGUE comments.. repeating what HE WAS TOLD !
- Controlled ? he ain't controlling me.. is he controlling you ?
- Coordinated FUD campaign ? he's the leader huh ? we're secretly trying to destroy the coin right ?
- FUD ? = kiss my coins ass or i will attack you personally and call your criticism or discussion FUD i guess eh ?

This is a forum for talking about coins.. so we do.
how is that always FUD ? if the criticism or discussion has the slightest negativity to it ?
it's not called FUD it's called "Talking".

I swear i would love to punch out the pricks that invented the internet meme term FUD and Troll Roll Eyes

brats have made it popular with their bratty antics.. with the word Troll.
If you see something said you don't like on the internet it's a given snotty dumb kids will call you a Troll and accusing you of FUD'ing
and they have to because they don't posses the intelligence to carry on a conversation..
it's the equivalent of seeing adults talking and having some angry brat run up to you and scream "Your a poo poo head"
and then them thinking they won a debate all proud and shit LOL

gimme a break little shits.. big kids are talking so empty your dick holster's and use your big kid voice brats !

and Google search the Term Troll while your at it.. because clearly 90% of you out there have no idea what the words mean you say constantly.

Please stay in school kids.. seriously do us a favor.. i really worry about the future  Huh
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
if we want to get rid of shitcoins we need to eliminate shitpeople.

shitpeople are the ones making the shitcoins.

they created the shitblizzard and its fault the winds of shit are blowing in their direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srq_MbsUTuM

convince people to stop buying the shitcoins and the shitdevs will leave.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
I myself was a darkcoin fanatic. I deeply despised altcoins that were threatening to darkcoin. I know, that many current fanboys for other coins, feel threatened by monero., as I did. That's probably why they messaged BCX about monero. However, I am not like them, I still keep up darkcoin and still hold a very sizable amount, I've also looked into every other altcoin proposing anonymity. I truthfully, have to say, that out of all the anon coins out there, Monero beats them all, in design, features, and development team.
Monero is just hype. It's not going anywhere without the right people from here, which are not on board.

You really think so? i participated in the GUI contest and reviewed code of the competing flavors. i didn't see one i'd put my hat on as the defacto reference client, but i saw alot of promise from each camp. Of the altcoins floating around at the moment, i'd put the most stock in Monero. then again, Mastercoin, NXT, Ethereum and others showed promise, before dissapearing completely.
If i look back on your history here, I'd rather not trust your judgement.
hero member
Activity: 723
Merit: 503
Let me clarify a few things since I consider myself an expert on BCX LOL.

1) I never called or have I determined Monero to be a shitcoin. I clearly stated in my first post in another thread "that I had a few PM's asking me to *look at a shitcoin called Monero*"

2) I have never said I was going to attack it.

3) I am clearly in an evaluation mode and I am adding machines and rigs to it daily.

4) I am actually working on a solution to the diff exploit on my own as I do not play well in groups. I will share the code with TT if I am successful. The bloat issue is trivial, the devs could fix it tomorrow if they wanted.

5) Fluffy is correct, I do not possess magical powers. What I do posses is the ability conjecture up staggering amounts of cpu hashrate on demand, very large amounts of gpu and asic hashrates (I realize asics are useless here), a large network of like minded people, skill and more btc than I will ever spend as I was cpu mining Bitcoin pre GPU mining. This gives me the ability to bring enormous amounts of hash rate or traffic to any chain, pool or site I choose to. Some incorrectly accuse me of doing so maliciously Huh

6) Like a lot of the devs I have proven wrong time and time over, Fluffy and TT are incorrect about needing 51% to TW a chain. I nailed Auroracoin to the cross with ~20%. At this moment in time it would take me ~22 days to do so. It took me 12 days for AUR.

7) I think MRO has potential and more importantly Bitjohn has indicated to me that Cryptsy will implement MRO as soon as the technical situation is worked out. So mine and buy up people Crypto is evolving.


Hope that answers any questions.


~BCX~


Quoted this from another thread.

Also, it's funny how DRK and other shitcoins supporters ask someone to do a review and eventually when the review is done and not in their best interest, they're saying the reviewer was corrupted.

legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1011
Monero Evangelist
BitcoinEXpress: Please disclose the amount of Bitcoin you were payed, to participate in ongoing controlled anti monero-FUD campaign and what is part of the agreement.

If you to wan't get respected as pro or some kind of "coin authority", than you have to act professional and disclose, when you do get payed working against (legitmate) coins/projects. (It's a question of credibility & fairness ...) Thank you.

In the mean time, I wish you good luck with personal life. I hope finally had the power to kick off your bad habits.
donator
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1060
GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
well we also have to think about places in the world that have poor internet infrastructures and global issues on download restrictions, let alone affordability on hardware.

This is not a trivial issue, IMO.  There are growth restrictions, but that is ok as long as we know that is the case.

As a South African I'm in the ideal place to test Monero under rubbish Internet infrastructure:) A lightweight wallet would be great here, but it'll still be too heavy for mobile phones, for instance.

I think that off-chain services are better suited to certain parts of the globe, with a small number of full nodes running in that country. At the same time, solutions to this differ from environment to environment, and will reveal themselves over time as people in that country who know the lay of the land decide to drive it.
sr. member
Activity: 784
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2) Bloat - currently anyone that wanted to spend a few BTC and has mid level developer skills could bring MRO to a grinding halt today. Simply increasing transactions four times combined with doubling the hash rate, something that will definitely happen with increased adoption will bring the chain to a halt. Do the math, in one year you will be looking at at a theoretical 75-100GB block chain. A solution needs to be implemented. Several are discussed on this forum over the past years.

You're doing the math wrong. The current rate of blockchain growth of about 6 MB per day (see below). Increase the transactions 4x and that goes to 24 MB per day or 8.7 GB per year, not 75-100 GB.

Increasing the hash rate has no meaningful effect on the blockchain size.

Blockchain size (the on-disk storage usage is somewhat larger, but that is being optimized):
http://monerochain.info/charts/bcsize

I can get a calculator out, so what happens if transactions go to 10x or 100x? That's what you want right? Success = more transactions.  So what are we talking about here 9 GB / yr, 90 GB /yr or 900 GB / yr? If its anything north of 20 GB / yr then that is a rate limiting factor for growth, is it not?

Help me out here, I have quite a few xmr coins and this does make me nervous.

I recently bought about the cheapest computer I could find.  It has a 500GB HD.  Today including the Monero blockchain I'm using 8% of it's capacity.  At 20GB/yr that's 20 years before it fills up.  HDs are now in terabytes so in 20 years I guess they'll be petabytes or exabytes.

I really don't know much so maybe I'm missing something.

nioc, aka The Drooling Masses®

well we also have to think about places in the world that have poor internet infrastructures and global issues on download restrictions, let alone affordability on hardware.

This is not a trivial issue, IMO.  There are growth restrictions, but that is ok as long as we know that is the case.
hero member
Activity: 672
Merit: 500
http://fuk.io - check it out!
not exactly shitcoin per se but.. there is new scam -  https://freshex.org/
this exachange doesnt take deposits - they just steal them.

not sure of powers of users here but maybe this can get pwned too.

legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1008
2) Bloat - currently anyone that wanted to spend a few BTC and has mid level developer skills could bring MRO to a grinding halt today. Simply increasing transactions four times combined with doubling the hash rate, something that will definitely happen with increased adoption will bring the chain to a halt. Do the math, in one year you will be looking at at a theoretical 75-100GB block chain. A solution needs to be implemented. Several are discussed on this forum over the past years.

You're doing the math wrong. The current rate of blockchain growth of about 6 MB per day (see below). Increase the transactions 4x and that goes to 24 MB per day or 8.7 GB per year, not 75-100 GB.

Increasing the hash rate has no meaningful effect on the blockchain size.

Blockchain size (the on-disk storage usage is somewhat larger, but that is being optimized):
http://monerochain.info/charts/bcsize

I can get a calculator out, so what happens if transactions go to 10x or 100x? That's what you want right? Success = more transactions.  So what are we talking about here 9 GB / yr, 90 GB /yr or 900 GB / yr? If its anything north of 20 GB / yr then that is a rate limiting factor for growth, is it not?

Help me out here, I have quite a few xmr coins and this does make me nervous.

I recently bought about the cheapest computer I could find.  It has a 500GB HD.  Today including the Monero blockchain I'm using 8% of it's capacity.  At 20GB/yr that's 20 years before it fills up.  HDs are now in terabytes so in 20 years I guess they'll be petabytes or exabytes.

I really don't know much so maybe I'm missing something.

nioc, aka The Drooling Masses®
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
2) Bloat - currently anyone that wanted to spend a few BTC and has mid level developer skills could bring MRO to a grinding halt today. Simply increasing transactions four times combined with doubling the hash rate, something that will definitely happen with increased adoption will bring the chain to a halt. Do the math, in one year you will be looking at at a theoretical 75-100GB block chain. A solution needs to be implemented. Several are discussed on this forum over the past years.

You're doing the math wrong. The current rate of blockchain growth of about 6 MB per day (see below). Increase the transactions 4x and that goes to 24 MB per day or 8.7 GB per year, not 75-100 GB.

Increasing the hash rate has no meaningful effect on the blockchain size.

Blockchain size (the on-disk storage usage is somewhat larger, but that is being optimized):
http://monerochain.info/charts/bcsize

I can get a calculator out, so what happens if transactions go to 10x or 100x? That's what you want right? Success = more transactions.  So what are we talking about here 9 GB / yr, 90 GB /yr or 900 GB / yr? If its anything north of 20 GB / yr then that is a rate limiting factor for growth, is it not?

Help me out here, I have quite a few xmr coins and this does make me nervous.

Look, if usage grows 10x or 100x, the same thing happens to Bitcoin if Bitcoin is successful. The difference is roughly a factor of 5, not orders of magnitude. So if bitcoin would need 100 GB, then we need 500 GB. Those are quite comparable in terms of disk size, bandwidth, etc. and both feasible for a mid-high end desktop computer. If Bitcoin would need 100 TB (plausible under some assumptions I suppose) then we would been 500 TB. Both of these numbers only work (thought they do work) in data center environment, though perhaps a small one.

On another thread I pointed out that 5x is comparable to the progress of Moore's law since Bitcoin was released 5 years ago. So in terms of resource feasibility, Monero shortly after its inception is right about where Bitcoin was shortly after its inception.
sr. member
Activity: 784
Merit: 272
2) Bloat - currently anyone that wanted to spend a few BTC and has mid level developer skills could bring MRO to a grinding halt today. Simply increasing transactions four times combined with doubling the hash rate, something that will definitely happen with increased adoption will bring the chain to a halt. Do the math, in one year you will be looking at at a theoretical 75-100GB block chain. A solution needs to be implemented. Several are discussed on this forum over the past years.

You're doing the math wrong. The current rate of blockchain growth of about 6 MB per day (see below). Increase the transactions 4x and that goes to 24 MB per day or 8.7 GB per year, not 75-100 GB.

Increasing the hash rate has no meaningful effect on the blockchain size.

Blockchain size (the on-disk storage usage is somewhat larger, but that is being optimized):
http://monerochain.info/charts/bcsize

I can get a calculator out, so what happens if transactions go to 10x or 100x? That's what you want right? Success = more transactions.  So what are we talking about here 9 GB / yr, 90 GB /yr or 900 GB / yr? If its anything north of 20 GB / yr then that is a rate limiting factor for growth, is it not?

Help me out here, I have quite a few xmr coins and this does make me nervous.
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