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legendary
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November 07, 2013, 07:47:27 PM
The worst thing about it is having to foot the bill for every illegal alien / welfare family in the country. Sad

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Don't you love thy neighbour? Don't you wish to do them what you wish to be done to you?



Who brought troll over to this thread? Thought you were busy bashing Christianity in the other one?

Bible is very clear laws are to be obeyed. Breaking the law and expecting free healthcare is not expected.

Why are you bringing the bible up here, troll?  Thought you were busy bashing reason in the other thread?
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Fourth richest fictional character
November 07, 2013, 07:40:58 PM
The worst thing about it is having to foot the bill for every illegal alien / welfare family in the country. Sad

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Don't you love thy neighbour? Don't you wish to do them what you wish to be done to you?



Who brought troll over to this thread? Thought you were busy bashing Christianity in the other one?

Bible is very clear laws are to be obeyed. Breaking the law and expecting free healthcare is not expected.
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November 07, 2013, 07:25:25 PM
The worst thing about it is having to foot the bill for every illegal alien / welfare family in the country. Sad

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legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
November 07, 2013, 06:23:51 PM

I'm not often a vocal defender of my country (the US), but I do suspect that the world could do worse when it comes to having a hegemon.


Good point.
Which one can we get to be the next hegemon?  The UK is still tired from the last time.
Its often been said that the job of a leader is to decide and take the blame.

China is looking like they might want the job, maybe we could let them wear the tall hat for a while? 
Its not as fun as most folks imagine.

The Saud royalty would probably go for it if given the chance.  Who else is in the running?
legendary
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November 07, 2013, 06:03:36 PM
a lot of good people living under a dangerous government. The world would be a lot better place if the US government didn't exist.

The same tune has been sung for every empire in history Tongue  If it's not the US, it's somebody else.

Yes it's true, there is always the worst.

I'm not often a vocal defender of my country (the US), but I do suspect that the world could do worse when it comes to having a hegemon.

Alas, we are rapidly sinking deeper and deeper into depravity (e.g., double-tap drone strikes, sarin false-flags, and the list goes on.)  I do expect that the rest of the world will at some point decide that they need to coordinate and act together against us in the best interest of their own future.  At least if we remain a somewhat multi-polar world with respect to governance.

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November 07, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
a lot of good people living under a dangerous government. The world would be a lot better place if the US government didn't exist.

The same tune has been sung for every empire in history Tongue  If it's not the US, it's somebody else.

Yes it's true, there is always the worst.
legendary
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November 07, 2013, 02:56:02 PM
a lot of good people living under a dangerous government. The world would be a lot better place if the US government didn't exist.

The same tune has been sung for every empire in history Tongue  If it's not the US, it's somebody else.
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November 07, 2013, 02:46:28 PM
a lot of good people living under a dangerous government. The world would be a lot better place if the US government didn't exist.
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November 07, 2013, 01:50:31 PM
The worst thing about it is having to foot the bill for every illegal alien / welfare family in the country. Sad

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November 07, 2013, 04:45:13 AM

A good capitalist will realize that when a person is sick or has a sick family member, they are vulnerable to exploitation.  And they do just this without regard or remorse (using the insurance industry as something of a buffer.)  For that reason I am in favor of going the route of pretty much every other Western country and socializing the whole fucking thing.  Until then I plan on self-insuring and practicing medical tourism if/when I need some sort of treatment.  Most of my liberal friend are completely bamboozled by the Obama-care joke/scam.


I live in one of those socialised first world countries and it isn't as great, nor as free as it's cracked up to be.  Here now you have to pay private medical insurance or you end up getting penalized in tax, essentially forcing people to get it.  Health professionals are getting paid more and more money due to an ever increasing shortage of workers thanks to the medical union racket.  Waiting lists are shocking.   You still have a gap to pay so it's not free.   

If I get sick, medical tourism is the way to go I think.  The scare-mongering over that is completely unjustified and just shows what a  government run racket health care has become.  Not unlike the government-run banking cartel screwing their customers.  Because that's why these industries want to get government involved.  So they don't have to submit to market competition.  They want benefits for themselves at the expense of their customers and the government complies.
legendary
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November 07, 2013, 03:47:48 AM

Fine with me.  If doctors want to be in the field because it is challenging and helpful to people, that's great.  If they want to get rich and play golf, fuck 'em.  I'd rather have a Cuban doctor.

I'm actually perfectly fine with MD's making a good bit of money.  I don't like that the insurance industry makes a lot.  They are, in my opinion, almost completely parasitic.  And the more they screw people, the more they make.  I dis-like Obama-care because it will stretch out our completely fucked up (private) health care system by another decade or so before we can start to catch up with the rest of the developed world.



ObamaCare gives more power to insurance companies, less to consumers like you and I. Increased insurance costs, less choice, etc.

Didn't you read the memo?

The point is, they are taking capitalism out of the equation, and that always ends badly. Whether you think doctors should make as much as they do now is irrelevant.

Every American is now even further beholden to the government thanks to ObamaCare.

If you like paying for other peoples health care, ObamaCare is great.


I cannot defend Obama-care.  In case it escaped you, I said 'dis-like'.

As far as I am concerned, there is more than enough capitalism in the health care industry and that's a big part of the reason that it's so fucked up.  I'm for single payer or at the very least, public option so that a good sized pool has some negotiating power at the capitalist table.  That neither of those came with the so-called 'reforms' is a sadistic joke on the American people.

A good capitalist will realize that when a person is sick or has a sick family member, they are vulnerable to exploitation.  And they do just this without regard or remorse (using the insurance industry as something of a buffer.)  For that reason I am in favor of going the route of pretty much every other Western country and socializing the whole fucking thing.  Until then I plan on self-insuring and practicing medical tourism if/when I need some sort of treatment.  Most of my liberal friend are completely bamboozled by the Obama-care joke/scam.

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November 07, 2013, 03:34:20 AM

Fine with me.  If doctors want to be in the field because it is challenging and helpful to people, that's great.  If they want to get rich and play golf, fuck 'em.  I'd rather have a Cuban doctor.

I'm actually perfectly fine with MD's making a good bit of money.  I don't like that the insurance industry makes a lot.  They are, in my opinion, almost completely parasitic.  And the more they screw people, the more they make.  I dis-like Obama-care because it will stretch out our completely fucked up (private) health care system by another decade or so before we can start to catch up with the rest of the developed world.



ObamaCare gives more power to insurance companies, less to consumers like you and I. Increased insurance costs, less choice, etc.

Didn't you read the memo?

The point is, they are taking capitalism out of the equation, and that always ends badly. Whether you think doctors should make as much as they do now is irrelevant.

Every American is now even further beholden to the government thanks to ObamaCare.

If you like paying for other peoples health care, ObamaCare is great.
legendary
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November 07, 2013, 03:24:40 AM
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Pretty soon, medicine will no longer be considered a profitable career thanks to ObamaCare.

Fine with me.  If doctors want to be in the field because it is challenging and helpful to people, that's great.  If they want to get rich and play golf, fuck 'em.  I'd rather have a Cuban doctor.

I'm actually perfectly fine with MD's making a good bit of money.  I don't like that the insurance industry makes a lot.  They are, in my opinion, almost completely parasitic.  And the more they screw people, the more they make.  I dis-like Obama-care because it will stretch out our completely fucked up (private) health care system by another decade or so before we can start to catch up with the rest of the developed world.

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November 07, 2013, 02:28:37 AM
America is slowly being turned into a socialist state.

Millions have everything bought and paid for with food stamps, subsidized housing, and cushy government jobs for "minorities," (non-whites).

Whites are being discriminated against in the jobs sector, and it's getting worse every day Obama's administration continues it's reign of terror.

Privacy of US citizens is a thing of the past; with ObamaCare, Obama is driving the final nail in the coffin of free enterprise.

Pretty soon, medicine will no longer be considered a profitable career thanks to ObamaCare.
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
November 06, 2013, 11:17:03 PM
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The US currently is the largest state holder of Bitcoin.  Maybe that will infect it with some needed sanity?  Hope for change springs eternal.

I think I'm hearing a giant sucking sound as BTC move to China.  I could be wrong though.

Anyway, I am actually actively looking for countries which, if not embrace, are at least not actively hostile to Bitcoin.  Such countries will likely enjoy my attention as a tourist destination and possibly more should the values continue to rise.

I doubt that there are enough BTC holders to make it worthwhile for a country to adjust their policies for persons such as me, though a cycle might evolve where it is worthwhile to do so.  OTOH, until and unless the makeup of those who tend to end up with BTC jingling in their pocket changes, it may be a mixed blessing to entertain such guests.


By state holder, I am referring to the government itself, not individual humans.
I was thinking the buying in China is not the government but individuals, but who can say?  I would think it to be too small for a government to be engaged.  I suspect like other governments, it is accustomed to currency transactions in many millions or billions, not thousands.
legendary
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November 06, 2013, 01:39:57 PM
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The US currently is the largest state holder of Bitcoin.  Maybe that will infect it with some needed sanity?  Hope for change springs eternal.

I think I'm hearing a giant sucking sound as BTC move to China.  I could be wrong though.

Anyway, I am actually actively looking for countries which, if not embrace, are at least not actively hostile to Bitcoin.  Such countries will likely enjoy my attention as a tourist destination and possibly more should the values continue to rise.

I doubt that there are enough BTC holders to make it worthwhile for a country to adjust their policies for persons such as me, though a cycle might evolve where it is worthwhile to do so.  OTOH, until and unless the makeup of those who tend to end up with BTC jingling in their pocket changes, it may be a mixed blessing to entertain such guests.

legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
November 06, 2013, 01:08:46 PM

USA is the country that waisted the greatest material and intellectual resources of all humankind's history combined to achieve the impossible materialistic dream and imposed it to the rest of the world which will probably cause the end of humankind as we know it.

Apart from that, US is cool. I want to go there one day.

Nothing wrong with pragmatism.  A lot of people I know were delighted to move here, and sometimes permanently, yet still held a critical eye to some of the ways and means of our nation.

A country which can arrange a decent place to live can 'high-grade' people from all around the world.  With good leadership, the advantage this confers can perpetuate the phenomenon.  I think the US 'had it goin' on' for a period of time and benefited hugely, but we are 'losing it' in a variety of ways.  Oh well.  The pages turn in every book.

"Ways and means" = subtle humor? (its the name of the US congressional committee that taxes, and spends on entitlements)

The bankers have had their way with the USA for a handful generations now. The US glory days were the interbank period which began its decline 100 years ago.  Those days with stable money and low taxes are beyond the memory of those that live.  The time since has been momentum and milking the laurels upon which the US now rests.  Bitcoin provides us the vain hope this time may come again, but worldwide, rather than constrained by national borders and tied to a national identity.  It is, for the good of all.

For the patriotic of all the worlds nations, there is some hope that those that govern whatever place you hold dear through your own experiences there, may recognize Bitcoin's merits and not crush it, like a sleeping giant rolling over in its slumber smothering an infant.

The US currently is the largest state holder of Bitcoin.  Maybe that will infect it with some needed sanity?  Hope for change springs eternal.
legendary
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November 06, 2013, 12:31:54 PM

USA is the country that waisted the greatest material and intellectual resources of all humankind's history combined to achieve the impossible materialistic dream and imposed it to the rest of the world which will probably cause the end of humankind as we know it.

Apart from that, US is cool. I want to go there one day.

Nothing wrong with pragmatism.  A lot of people I know were delighted to move here, and sometimes permanently, yet still held a critical eye to some of the ways and means of our nation.

A country which can arrange a decent place to live can 'high-grade' people from all around the world.  With good leadership, the advantage this confers can perpetuate the phenomenon.  I think the US 'had it goin' on' for a period of time and benefited hugely, but we are 'losing it' in a variety of ways.  Oh well.  The pages turn in every book.

legendary
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November 06, 2013, 11:30:44 AM

USA is the country that waisted the greatest material and intellectual resources of all humankind's history combined to achieve the impossible materialistic dream and imposed it to the rest of the world which will probably cause the end of humankind as we know it.

Apart from that, US is cool. I want to go there one day.
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November 04, 2013, 07:05:36 PM

The silly thing is, while Russia was SSSR, it was King Kong to USA's Godzilla.  She kept Godzilla occupied & focused.  With the great nemesis gone, Godzilla has to find new outlets for all the pent-up rage & aggression.

So careful how you talk at Godzilla Lips sealed

The USSR provided a boogieman that leaders need to cultivate fear among the population, and, relatedly, served as the pressure to keep the military industrial complex fat and happy.  When in collapsed we simply needed a replacement or series of them in order to perpetuate the structures that had evolved under the cold war scenario.  I don't think that very many leaders in very many countries are driven by 'rage and aggression'...they would not have the skills to attain a high position.  Nor do normal people fall into that orbital state by nature.  The job of leadership is to provoke and direct 'rage and aggression' among the citizenry in order to achieve more useful objectives.

The "rage and aggression" part was pandering to the anti-US folks here.  I pretty much agree with you.
Though USSR was more than simply a bogeyman -- it was truly a potential adversary.  Like two different cultures in a petri dish, US & USSR kept each other in check.  Until they didn't.
 
The fat military complex is a complex thing, from the economic perspective -- not simply a drain on economy.  But that's a whole other thread.
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