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November 20, 2013, 04:31:51 PM
When you are given a choice of two pistols to shoot yourself with, the correct answer is "NO!". If you vote, you can't bitch, because you HAVE accepted the clearly illegitimate system as legitimate. As Emma Goldman said, if voting could make a difference, they would outlaw it.

+1 - Totally agreed Smiley

not really, that is a total passive way of dealing with problems
the correct way would be to forbid offering people to shoot themselves Cheesy

more generally when someone does stuff and you don't like any of the options, change the way it works Smiley
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November 20, 2013, 02:37:46 PM

Got birth certificate?

Are those even required anymore?
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November 20, 2013, 02:28:02 PM

I am an american. Deliberately not capitalised. I did NOT vote for Obama. Nor his "rival". If he had not been deliberately shut out, I would not have voted for Ron Paul either, even though I think he's the closest thing to a good man in politics.
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I wrote in Elizabeth Warren in the last election.  Hopefully I'll have the chance to use a convenient mark in the next one.


Satoshi, the write-in candidate for 2016

Got birth certificate?

legendary
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November 19, 2013, 03:02:50 PM

I am an american. Deliberately not capitalised. I did NOT vote for Obama. Nor his "rival". If he had not been deliberately shut out, I would not have voted for Ron Paul either, even though I think he's the closest thing to a good man in politics.
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I wrote in Elizabeth Warren in the last election.  Hopefully I'll have the chance to use a convenient mark in the next one.



Satoshi, the write-in candidate for 2016
legendary
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November 19, 2013, 02:31:01 PM

I am an american. Deliberately not capitalised. I did NOT vote for Obama. Nor his "rival". If he had not been deliberately shut out, I would not have voted for Ron Paul either, even though I think he's the closest thing to a good man in politics.
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I wrote in Elizabeth Warren in the last election.  Hopefully I'll have the chance to use a convenient mark in the next one.

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November 19, 2013, 02:27:15 PM
I like how Mr. Carlin puts it in this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUywG-VXhug
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November 19, 2013, 07:24:47 AM
When you are given a choice of two pistols to shoot yourself with, the correct answer is "NO!". If you vote, you can't bitch, because you HAVE accepted the clearly illegitimate system as legitimate. As Emma Goldman said, if voting could make a difference, they would outlaw it.

+1 - Totally agreed Smiley
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Anarchy is not chaos.
November 19, 2013, 05:58:30 AM
i think governments all across the world do not represent the average citizen.

Add to this, that there aren't average citizens so much as individuals.  Each of whom have different ideas.

American people are more or less  good or bad as everyone else but
american government is absolutely bad and I have the worst opinion of them.
All they want is profit and power.

As an American, I agree with this statement.

Americans are bad because they are electing and supporting their shithead leaders. Also blind patriotism is not a good thing.
I can bet you just vote for Obama yourself... And if you did not vote, at least you support his socialist ideas.


he probably isn't even an American which makes him ineligible to vote Cheesy

EDIT:
Just checked his profile
Location: Latvia

you have been mistaken Cheesy
just because we actively discuss US problems doesn't mean we're Americans  Tongue

I am an american. Deliberately not capitalised. I did NOT vote for Obama. Nor his "rival". If he had not been deliberately shut out, I would not have voted for Ron Paul either, even though I think he's the closest thing to a good man in politics. When you are given a choice of two pistols to shoot yourself with, the correct answer is "NO!". If you vote, you can't bitch, because you HAVE accepted the clearly illegitimate system as legitimate. As Emma Goldman said, if voting could make a difference, they would outlaw it.

I would like to say to the non americans who read this, the Imperial Court in the foreign nation called the District of Columbia does NOT represent America in any meaningful way, other than being our defacto owners. We have about as much choice in their decisions as any slave, but we are given a biannual illusion of participation that doesn't even hold as much realism as a good Hollywood movie. Or a bad one, really.

Unfortunately, and I have been all over the country, most americans either turn a blind eye to the system, or, more frequently, feel that there isn't anything they can do about it. I'm not sure what should be done, but shrugging your shoulders and bending your knee isn't the answer. As near as I can tell, the last time that the american people had any real control over their nation was 1788. For damn sure it ended in 1861.
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November 18, 2013, 05:07:46 PM
i think governments all across the world do not represent the average citizen.

Add to this, that there aren't average citizens so much as individuals.  Each of whom have different ideas.

American people are more or less  good or bad as everyone else but
american government is absolutely bad and I have the worst opinion of them.
All they want is profit and power.

As an American, I agree with this statement.

Americans are bad because they are electing and supporting their shithead leaders. Also blind patriotism is not a good thing.
I can bet you just vote for Obama yourself... And if you did not vote, at least you support his socialist ideas.


he probably isn't even an American which makes him ineligible to vote Cheesy

EDIT:
Just checked his profile
Location: Latvia

you have been mistaken Cheesy
just because we actively discuss US problems doesn't mean we're Americans  Tongue
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November 16, 2013, 12:54:49 AM
i think governments all across the world do not represent the average citizen.

Add to this, that there aren't average citizens so much as individuals.  Each of whom have different ideas.

American people are more or less  good or bad as everyone else but
american government is absolutely bad and I have the worst opinion of them.
All they want is profit and power.

As an American, I agree with this statement.

Americans are bad because they are electing and supporting their shithead leaders. Also blind patriotism is not a good thing.
I can bet you just vote for Obama yourself... And if you did not vote, at least you support his socialist ideas.
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November 16, 2013, 12:39:21 AM
big city life in the US kinda sucks. money is the primary motivation. everybody is in a hurry. few people are friendly to a random stranger. the american dream is dead for all but the rich. the US isnt as great as it was back in the day. would rather live in canada australia new zealand UK switzerland amsterdam.
So, why don't you move? Yeah, probably in Amsterdam or Switzerland money will no be a primary motivation...
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November 14, 2013, 05:40:37 PM
i think governments all across the world do not represent the average citizen.

Add to this, that there aren't average citizens so much as individuals.  Each of whom have different ideas.

American people are more or less  good or bad as everyone else but
american government is absolutely bad and I have the worst opinion of them.
All they want is profit and power.

As an American, I agree with this statement.

Americans are bad because they are electing and supporting their shithead leaders. Also blind patriotism is not a good thing.
They are just kind of brainwashed for many years by their media and their government so probably the average american
doesnt think to much about politics and stuff like that,they are more concerned about  their every day lifes.
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November 14, 2013, 05:36:56 PM
American people are more or less  good or bad as everyone else but
american government is absolutely bad and I have the worst opinion of them.
All they want is profit and power.

I think every country has the government it deserves, maybe not always true for dictatorships but often true for other countries.

Americans wanted a cowboy for president that starts wars, they had Bush, after they wanted a black President to get any credit, they have Obama.

Russians want a strong leader who can take decisions by force, they have Poutine.

Chinese people want a strong central goverment to be their political father who can direct them into their common goals.

In the Nordic countries, the People and their politicians are the most trusting and the least corrupt in the world.

Yes, Joseph de Maistre was right: "Every country has the government it deserves". Americans have the power to change, and if everybody complains about how bad the government is doing, it's their own faults for putting them in the first place.
Let me tell you something, people don't choose their leaders they can only make a choice
between the ones that are offered. Take America for an example they have only two real parties who lead the same politics made by the rich and powerful people
behind them. So what real choice do they have.
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November 14, 2013, 03:40:43 PM
big city life in the US kinda sucks. money is the primary motivation. everybody is in a hurry. few people are friendly to a random stranger. the american dream is dead for all but the rich. the US isnt as great as it was back in the day. would rather live in canada australia new zealand UK switzerland amsterdam.
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November 14, 2013, 01:22:45 PM
I don't know whether trying being powerfull or making profit is really a bad thing.. I don't think so. As long as you as you keep ethics in mind.

You can always ask to bankers...

There's nothing wrong with ambition but a society functions smoothly only when all members fill that role honestly and ethically.
Capitalism is not honestly and ethically, it's amoral and promotes greed.

However capitalism is born in a Christian ethic, and with that eroding, we now only have self-interest, modern Capitalism is based on property without responsibility, while Christian Capitalism is, or was, based on property with responsibility.

yes, since the last few years the number of atheists and agnostics has been rising and the Christians aren't really respecting their ethic as they aren't so religious, this greed is ruining modern society and we are we will see it crash (after USA every single country will crash along altough some are already down [Greece,Spain..]).
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November 14, 2013, 12:38:53 PM
I don't know whether trying being powerfull or making profit is really a bad thing.. I don't think so. As long as you as you keep ethics in mind.

You can always ask to bankers...

There's nothing wrong with ambition but a society functions smoothly only when all members fill that role honestly and ethically.
Capitalism is not honestly and ethically, it's amoral and promotes greed.

However capitalism is born in a Christian ethic, and with that eroding, we now only have self-interest, modern Capitalism is based on property without responsibility, while Christian Capitalism is, or was, based on property with responsibility.
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November 14, 2013, 12:06:42 PM
I think it's more realistic that the world will explode than North+South will regroup, hehe.

Given time, or maybe a bigger push - those two can merge again, and become a recognizable power in the region. North cheap labor and army + south money and tech. Maybe it will happen in our lifetime.

Interesting whats up with bitcoin in both Koreas?
*Gone googling
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November 14, 2013, 12:04:36 PM
Yes, for example when you need to promote your own products, like Ford vehicles over import cars. That's surely beneficial for local economy and people.

It's crazy how many resources are spent on importing/exporting stuff in the world, which IMO can and would be avoided. But that's a different conversation.

Yes. I agree with you on that. It also brings the society together in most countries. Im not sure whether that's the point in an huge country such as the USA, but it does in for example the country I live in (The Netherlands). This 'bringing the people together' can has some disadvantages too, especially for outsiders who are placed 'outside the society' by some people.


North Korea could have been a really nice state if America (and USSR) wouldn't fuck it over. In fact it could be an even nicer (North+South united) Korea.

I think it's more realistic that the world will explode than North+South will regroup, hehe.

If there wasn't of the USSR and the USA, there would definitely be a united Korea today, the cold war did this.
North and South Korea are no different from West and East Germany, they were splitten up for the advantage of USSR and USA but after the USSR and USA balance failed and one regime was stronger then the other.One of them failed while the more succesful side wanted to embrace their brothers over the border.
South and North Koreans are the same nation but as communism in Asia is just recently starting to fail (China is leading this trend),same thing might happen here in a 100 years or so.
This is NOT the communist fault, it's just that one regime will overpower the other and when one side overpowers the other for such difference they will finally surrender the fight and realize they are the same alotough their relatives live on the other side.
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November 14, 2013, 11:52:30 AM
Yes, for example when you need to promote your own products, like Ford vehicles over import cars. That's surely beneficial for local economy and people.

It's crazy how many resources are spent on importing/exporting stuff in the world, which IMO can and would be avoided. But that's a different conversation.

Yes. I agree with you on that. It also brings the society together in most countries. Im not sure whether that's the point in an huge country such as the USA, but it does in for example the country I live in (The Netherlands). This 'bringing the people together' can has some disadvantages too, especially for outsiders who are placed 'outside the society' by some people.


North Korea could have been a really nice state if America (and USSR) wouldn't fuck it over. In fact it could be an even nicer (North+South united) Korea.

I think it's more realistic that the world will explode than North+South will regroup, hehe.
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November 14, 2013, 11:47:15 AM
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I think every country has the government it deserves, maybe not always true for dictatorships but often true for other countries.
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Why exclude dictatorships?  Obviously the people chose the dictator, or the previous government (which was not a dictatorship) failed to stop the dictator, etc., etc.  They brought it on themselves Smiley
How 'bout them Germans?


North Korea could have been a really nice state without dictatorship, they are smart and hard working, they would likely have prospered like the other Asian Tigers.

Germans like order and authority, this mania for order also had some bad side-effects, but it's a logical consequence of a social-Darwinist mindset.

But education and culture are very important and they are the mainstays of our society. Humans are not animals, They can change, evolve and choose other values.

North Korea could have been a really nice state if America (and USSR) wouldn't fuck it over. In fact it could be an even nicer (North+South united) Korea.
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