Topic: ᴥᵜᴥ Oshi.io .ᴥᵜᴥ. A different online casino! .ᴥᵜᴥ. Choose your own bonus ᴥᵜᴥ - page 4. (Read 14401 times)

Yes, you're right about the loss amount in BTC being too high. I want to drop it right down...

So with the tiering system, you're thinking of applying it to groups of games, so players would play on a particular group of games each week
and based their luck, they either get some kind of tournament prize or cashback?
I.e. amplify good luck when it happens and reduce the bad luck when it does also happen?

And on the affiliate side, I guess you're thinking of some kind of specific promotion the we could run per affiliate where players get cashback /exclusive tournament entry / boosted comp points?
I know we can do promotions for specific affiliates, so it's a question of what would appeal to players most?

Currently you mention tiers for currency loss however 0.1BTC is quite a considerable amount now with the price being so high if using USD as a metric.

Rather than giving an amount back after losing so much, set tiers of rewards and don’t call it VIP.

Set tiers on certain games each week - bronze/silver/gold etc then you could encourage Affiliates by rewarding them for each bronze/silver/gold player they refer.

Okay then, I have a some questions for casino players on Bitcoin talk...

I want to reboot the Oshi VIP system. At the moment we have:

- VIP cashback
- VIP only lotteries
- VIP manager whose job it is to support VIPs with help or bonuses

The VIP tiering system:

Tier 1: 10% cashback x 1 wager requirement
tier 2: 8% cashback x 1  wager requirement
tier 3 : 7% cashback x three times wager requirement
tier 4 : 6% cashback by three times wager requirement
tier 5: 5% cashback by three times wager requirement

I'm basing the tier that a VIP gets onto by the volume of real money bets over a two-week period.

At the moment the cashback is unlocked if players meet certain loss thresholds:
Min loss values for last 7 day(s) (excluding current period) per currency should be greater than:
0.10000000 BTC,
100.00 EUR,
100.00 USD,
100.00 GBP,
100.00 AUD,
6,000.00 RUB,
1,000.00 SEK,
1,000.00 NOK,
100.00 CAD, and
1,000.00 CNY

So I'm thinking of:
- putting players into specific tiers based on the previous weeks betting.
- Each seven day 'week' begins as of Monday midnight
- as players bet more or less, they go up or down the VIP tiers.
- I want to reduce the minimum loss value before you can claim cashback down to €10 or 0.0013 BTC
- having a manual system to flag up people who we believe are important to Oshi (manually creating VIP status)

My rationale:
Make everything as simple and reliable as possible i.e. even if you are in 0.0013 BTC loss, you still get some cashback (if you are a VIP)
Have a clear correlation between engagement / losses and cashback

Question:
- any thoughts on this VIP tiering system?
- Any ideas on what kind of benefits/bonuses that would work well for VIPs that enjoy anonymity...

I Appreciate any feedback you can give

Nick

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About Game Protect....

Inevitably he will reply to this post. If you read previous posts you'll see that I've engaged with this person, but no more. It's probably easier if you just ignore him, that way there will be less 'noise' on the thread.

When I click on Gambling License on your illegal casino website oshi.io and forwards me to

http://www.gaminglicences.com/pages/validate.php?lid=8048-S1908799

it says The connection has timed out

Can you please extrapolate what does it mean?

Has your license timed out?

Hi there, does anyone have any questions for me about either:
- Curaçao licensing
- player issues
- running a white label casino
- online marketing (I specialise in SEO)
- the best bonuses... I know quite a lot about bonusing
- what I think players want
- anything else?
I look forward to any questions you have

PS assuming game protect replies, I'm going to ignore him. This way I can have a sensible conversation with you.

Nick
founder / Oshi

Can you show us any examples where you've gone through arbitration and successfully won a claim against an operator?

If you are talking about lawyer/court proceedings then it's involves legal services.... So you're saying that you offer no legal services or enablement for legal services? So if I am a customer and I want to make a claim against one of the operators you represent, how are you going to help me? And please give a clear answer.

And now is your opportunity to share your story on how you investigate embezzlement?

And finally you still haven't explained what you mean by usage rights contracts between casinos and licence holders. I presume you haven't explained what this is all about because you don't understand what you're talking about.

The trouble is game protect, every time you do this kind of thing, you discredit yourself. There are affiliates like AskGamblers, latest casino bonuses and Thepogg who take arbitration seriously and actually know what they're talking about.

Arbitration is very profitable for these affiliate because consumers trust their opinions and will use their respective websites as 'jump off' points to register with operators. In turn they make revenues and everything carries on.

However game protect you don't offer real arbitration services (unless proven otherwise) and all you do is troll...

From now on I'm changing tack. I'm not going to reply to you directly any longer unless you can start replying sensibly. 
If you had any commercial sense, you would stop behaving like this and start adding some real value. There is definitely a place for 'scam alert' websites, but they need to have real information showing real examples of operators who have behaved unacceptably.

Game protect, you are a fool and a troll and you had many chances to prove yourself and you have failed. You are a loser I'm afraid.

At one time I thought you would come up with some good arguments so I could explain myself. But every time I put in a lot of effort into a considered reply, you just came back with some 'copy/paste' response that made no sense. That's why I keep saying to readers, report game protect to the moderator. He does not help these forums.

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Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already tried to attempt
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

Do I claim to operate under the 8048/JAZ license or do you claim to operate under it?

If you claim to operate under it, you should be able to extrapolate your claim or not?

Or maybe, according to your brain wash theories, a player using your illegal casino service needs to extrapolate how it come that you legally operate under the license issued to someone else?


Can you quote where Game Protect offers legal protection?

This is what we offer:

- Dispute resolution between you and the operators for your Game Protect qualified gaming accounts
    
- Lawyer and civil court proceeding, in case you have a valid claim and we can not reach a resolution
 
- Private investigations if operators commit offenses like embezzlement, scam and money laundering

Not one word about legal protection, whatever it means!

You're still not making sense when you talk about usage rights contracts between casinos and licence holders. Can you extrapolate please?

Also I've gone through your website and I've seen no evidence of any kind of legal protection. Please prove this before you start claiming to have this protection in place
And no, if you understood the definition of brain washing, you would also understand your talking nonsense.


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Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already tried to attempt
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

What is a Curacao gaming license? Does it also have a name?

I did not say that the 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ or 8048/JAZ license has no validity! I say that the usage rights contracts between the casinos and the license holders have no validity! You are obviously too stupid to understand it or intentionally lie to mislead the community, but this is the huge difference.


Of course do I say that players can sign up with Game Protect at Curacao based casinos and have consumer protection service inclusive!
 
There is no problem when signing up with Game Protect at Curacao based casinos, because legal action is inclusive if required. The problem is if a player signs up directly at a Curacao based casino like oshi.io, because in case of issues (and there are countless issues) he has to moan in forums or ask gamblers in the hope to get the issue solved. Of course could victims enforce their claims by themselves, but this is against the brain wash theories spread on the forums.

Because the brain wash theories say that we can not do anything if we are cheaten by casinos as you can read everywhere on the forums. Instead, cssinos like oshi.io offer to ask gamblers to get your legal issue solved! In the sense of if you are hurt, go to the bakery! If you need an insurance, go to the hairdresser!

Note: sorry this is ended up being a very long post...


Once again game protect your not making any sense so I will try and help you...

What game protect is trying to say is that he believes the Curaçao gaming licence has no validity. Of course he doesn't say that he is an affiliate, marketing Curaçao licenced operators. Nothing like a little hypocrisy!

I have talked about this in the past, but to save reader going through numerous posts, let me explain stuff about Curaçao licensing and white label operators.

Different countries have their own licensing regimes. This list gives you a good idea the amount of regulation per country https://www.keytocasino.com/en/gambling-laws-around-the-world.html

Licensing does three things:
- acts as a framework for government get tax revenues
- gives some clarity for a game providers when it comes to deciding which country territories and or which casino operators they are going to work with. For example some game providers might not want to work with Curaçao licensed operators... Equally other game providers might not want to work with UK licensed operators.
- Creates a framework which can be used to support consumer welfare

Obviously as a reader, you're interested in consumer protection.

In the UK, gambling is highly regulated and there is a substantial tax take from the UK government. This regulation does improve consumer protection for individuals within the UK.

For European countries which don't have localised regulation, many operators use Malta licences which has an intermediate number of consumer protections associated with it https://calvinayre.com/regulators/malta/

Curaçao licences are fairly weak on consumer protection. To understand more:  https://calvinayre.com/regulators/curacao/. Curaçao licences are used

There is a correlation between the cost of a licence and the number of consumer protections it affords. More you pay,, the more resource a licensing authority will put in to consumer arbitration.
There's also a correlation between cost of licensing and value of a market place. For example UK licences are expensive, they offer a high consumer protection and it's a very profitable market if you can get a foothold

White labels
Oshi is a white label operator. Softswiss or now known as BGAMING handle transactions, licensing, customer services, game integration and we handle the marketing and strategy for Oshi. Were also responsible for our player terms and conditions.
For example, you read through my post you'll see that I'm very straight about stuff and I care about being fair with our players.  I've made those choices and as a brand and we live or die by our values. Different white label operators will have their own game plan.

As a white label operator I am allowed to use Softswiss's (BGAMING) Curaçao licence as a white label operator partner.

Why doesn't it show you is the licence holder?
The licence is in the name of Direx, which is a corporate entity registered in Curaçao tax and licensing reasons. Softswiss is a separate business which owns Direx. This arrangement is very similar to Google or Amazon or any other multinational business which has registered companies in different country territories for either licensing or tax reasons. Game protect has probably tried to say that it's all very scammy, but the reality is that it's just corporate/accountancy stuff.

Our licence: https://validator.antillephone.com/validate?domain=oshi.io&seal_id=9bf8464341b46cc486bd3ffb6525387b6cc808482d2cbd423b8b696342949e765e4287eb6913bc21514f1dc7713cf51d&stamp=2f8daeaeffa7655bbae1dc01c0b7c961

Technically I am not the licence holder. Direx is. However I, along with all other white label operators Softswiss / BGAMING network act as representatives of Direx. So for example if one of the white label operators was involved in attempted money laundering, Direx could lose its licence with Curaçao and every white label operator on the network would be unable to trade.

This puts a lot of responsibility on Direx to police the behaviour of every white label operator, because if there a serious licensing contravention, the whole network of sites could go down.

What does all this mean to you?

Arbitration
If you're in a country territories which doesn't have a local licensing framework for online gambling and gambling is legal where you are, you can use any casino (within reason) this table gives you some useful info https://www.keytocasino.com/en/gambling-laws-around-the-world.html

Consumer protection for players using Curaçao licence is not as good as I would like, but then brands like us rely on the arbitration services of affiliates like AskGamblers to deal with customer issues.
https://www.askgamblers.com/online-casinos/oshi-casino-review/

We also rely on our good reputation in forums like this, which is why I'm so unhappy about 'Game protect' and his nonsense, because he doesn't understand the law and deliberately misdirects and misinforms to get people to go to his affiliate website. However, every nonsense post he puts up gives me an opportunity to talk some sense (I hope).

I've won but they're not paying!
In the end all casinos like us can do, is have clear terms and conditions that are fair, which is why we've written all our terms and conditions in plain English. Most people treat a casino as a service, where they go and gamble. However there is a large minority who treat us as an anniversary to be gamed or profit. They may win money by steering the odds in their favour i.e. through volatility arbitration or multiple duplicate account and then get caught out on terms and conditions. This kind of thing happens frequently.

Why gamble on a Curaçao licenced operator site?

Simply: Cryptocurrency. Curaçao allows casinos to use Cryptocurrency whilst not imposing overly rigourous KYC (know your customer) restrictions. In the UK, operators can offer Cryptocurrency as a payment option, but every customer has to be KYC'd. Since much of the benefit of Cryptocurrency is  pseudo-anonymity and lack of hassle, having all of this KYC and admin means you may as well just use a debit card.

Of course, I would like it if Curaçao was tighter on KYC requirements and hopefully they will do this in the future. I'd also like it if they were better on consumer arbitration.

In the end, any consumer should do their research and objectively look at a casino's reputation before putting their money down.

I speak about the usage rights contract between Direx N.V. and the 8048/JAZ license holder.

But as you are an illegal and criminal casino without a license, you are of course unaware about what I say!

Or you know it and intentionally lie?


Softswiss is behind Direx N.V.



The gambling community is still waiting for your facts that you have a license?

So far we have seen only brain wash theories!


Quote oshi.io website: Direx N.V. is licensed and regulated by Antillephone N.V.

This statement on your website is the criminal offense of Fraud by false representation!

Thank you for informing us that you operate your illegal oshi casino out of the UK!

Or do you have a UKGC license?

I am replying to game protects previous posting. I'm not going to do an extensive reply, because the arguments have become very circular. However I will pick up on a couple of things.

Game protected talks about a 'usage rights contract', but he doesn't give a context for this and clearly doesn't understand the concepts involved behind usage rights contracts

a typical usage rights contract would be with a game provider and a third party platform provider. The game provider stipulates terms within the contract saying the operator can use their games under certain circumstances. A good example is if a game provider enters into a contract with a Curaçao licensed operator, the game provider may state that there are certain countries where they will not allow players to use the game providers games. I.e. Israel, UK or United States.

Game protects comments about usage rights mean nothing because he isn't being clear about which rights and for what usage. And once again his command of English is so poor he can't even articulate this basic argument against Oshi or Softswiss.

He also talks about Softswiss being involved in criminal offences. I would like to see that evidence. I know the Softswiss team very well, along with the founder of Bitstarz and they are not criminal organisations. Making allegations like this are is serious, so I hope game protect backs up his rhetoric with some facts. If this kind of slanderous accusation was made here in the UK , with the visibility of Bitcointalk, gameprotect would be liable to prosecution https://www.inbrief.co.uk/types-of-claim/defamation/ However, since game protect is a laughably bad at what he does (apart from trolling) I don't think any clear minded person would take game protect seriously.

As far as game protect's response trying to defend his reputation: read his trust profile here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=220481

In respect to game protects invite to search:  'bitstarz scam' , he's talking about a thread from 2017 where a player was not paid out. The accusations were clearly laid out and the matter was resolved the same day. This is why if you're reading, please report game protect and if you can give him a negative trust review.

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About Oshi: I invite you to read through some of these threads, where you'll see me talk about Oshi. I am the founder of the business, so it will give you an idea of how we behave as a casino operator.

Summary: we take customer services very seriously, we prioritise rapid payouts, because it's what people want and we have a huge number of bonuses.


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Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already tried to attempt
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

According to your brain wash theory, asking for your usage rights contract is misinformation?

But I ask you, asking a question is not giving information. You are the one giving misinformation with stating your ton of nonsense and false and baseless accusations!


Oh, you claim to be an English expert, now you do not know the meaning of usage rights contract? Are you serious?

Definition usage rights: Usage rights are rights granted to an individual to use something for a specific purpose and for a particular period.

Definition contract: A written or spoken agreement


Did you already open a Scam Accusation here on bitcointalk? If not, why not?


Where is your Scam Accusation with content and proof?


For everyone considering to deposit at oshi.io, I can inform you that their operator Softswiss committed several criminal offenses towards its clients and you can read about it here on bitcointalk and on Game Protect website.

Here is a list of Softswiss operated casinos:

7bitcasino.com | betchan.com | betchain.com | betstreak.co

bitstarz.com | bobcasino.com | cleopatracasino.com | dasistcasino.com

goldenstar-casino.com | joocasino.com | kingbillycasino.com | konungcasino.com

limoplay.com | mbitcasino.com | megawins.com | oshi.io

playamo.com | play.casino | redping.win | space.casino

ttr.casino | queenspin.com

If you have interest to play at a Softswiss operated casino, simply put "casino + scam" into google.

For example: bitstarz scam

More misinformation from you game protect. As ever I'm disappointed by your poor use of English. Perhaps it's intentional?

When you say 'usage rights contract', what does that mean?

And yes, you are a troll and a scammer.

Game protect if you ever put together some coherent arguments, you might start being seen as legitimate. However sadly you carry on misinforming and misdirecting people so you can make money from your affiliate website. As I've said before you are the archetypal scammer. Very disappointing.

For anyone checking Oshi out, maybe read through some of these threads so you can make your mind up about whether we are a legitimate customer focused brand ...


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Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already tried to attempt
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

The usage rights issuer false and misleading claims to supervise and regulate its usage rights holder!

You false and misleading claim to have a license while not able to show it is also tricking people!

Have faucet?

@ mason1988

I asked him several times to show his usage rights contract and his answer was I am trolling!

So next time when the police ask you for your driving license, simply tell them that they are trolling and request to ban them.

I think you misinterpreted the reason for my post, I was backing you up showing how good you guys are with all of the positive reviews and less than one issue a month since 2015.  That’s a stat to be proud of!

I didn’t go into much detail with my post as I assumed common sense and seeing the images would be enough

Mason, I'm very disappointed you actually believe game protect. You obviously haven't looked at his reputation or other posts where he goes around trawling various casinos with his nonsense. If you read any of the posts on this thread with game protect and I, you will see this person deliberately attempts to misinform so he can steer users into his affiliate website.

Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already tried to attempt
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

Hi Mason, can you reach out to me on [email protected] and give me your Oshi account email address so I can see what's going on?

Overall comment: duplicate accounts are a huge problem for us and every other operator. There is a massive incentive to set up as many duplicate accounts as you can, claim as much bonus money as possible at in the hope of winning.

We use 'browser fingerprint' technology to work out whether a customer has been using the same browser the different accounts.

In these situations where we have duplicate accounts, we typically ask customers to verify their accounts and reach out to the other person who has a duplicate account and ask them to verify their ID
Once we know both accounts are associated with different people and these two people don't live in the same property and of course there from a jurisdiction where we can accept customers, then we will pay.

So hopefully mason will contact me, I'll get customer services to deal with identity verification for the second account and hopefully we will sort this out.