Topic: PAGCOR waiting for the approval to reopen land-based casinos. - page 10. (Read 2284 times)

I don't know the urge they feel but in this current situation, it is not necessary for PAGCOR to reopen. It will just give unnecessary harm for the people who surrounds and enters in PAGCOR. Afaik, our current status in transmission stats is not yet good. That's why we should not be complacent because wave 2 might come if we will take a wrong move in this pandemic (I hope not so).

Though it is government owned corporation, I think that it is better for them to create an online platform for their customers that risking the lives of people. Besides, there are many online games and there is already transition from reality to virtual. Just like in our education system in this year.

It's a government owned so we can expect it will be open, if other establishments are already open like malls where people gather, they has to open as well. Opening is not a challenge here, the big challenge is whether they can get people to play when the virus is still not contain.

We might look at the number of the cases small, but the way it's growing, it has been escalating pretty well.
Therefore we should not underestimate that as we never know what will happen if the spread gets more quicker.

Anyway, good luck to PAGCOR, hopefully as a government entity, they will set as an example of implementing the law inside the casino.

Appreciate your long post but still, what you point out is not a reason why land-based casinos shouldn't be re-opened. These establishments will surely follow the protocol better than any other establishment.

Did you say government monitoring those? Are you there? Do you commute and passes at these establishments every day? Don't give a statement wherein you aren't on the actual situation. I'm witnessing the status of the Metro, EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Do you really think more people will go here once they re-opened? What mass gathering you are talking about? The capacity is always limited and that was part of the recommendations to IATF.

Your advanced thinking will not help here. I don't see how it will be a big problem if casinos will re-opened. It's not that this establishment always has lots of customers in a time like this. And even if does, what's more for other establishments?

Funny, that you will blame the casino re-opening for the possible shifting again of the capital to ECQ? Do you think that will be the reason? Instead of crying about casino re-opening, blame government agencies that are not implementing a strict protocol for those essential establishments you mentioned that is a priority to open. They will bring more virus infection to compare to casino re-opening. That's the reality.

Given that most casinos are situated within the capital region where most of the infection occurred, I don't think it's a good idea for PAGCOR to consider reopening gambling establishments for the sake of the economy. The risks are far greater than the rewards, and might even force the government to install yet another series of enhanced community quarantines in the region where it is most affected, and people can no longer afford that.


The establishments you've mentioned are closely-monitored by local government officials and strict implementation of the guidelines proposed by IATF is always observed. Also, these are essential establishments that people need to go in order to get their supplies and food, so your point is moot. Gambling establishments with closed-air ventilation (most of them are) are giant petri dishes of virus that can potentially initiate a super-spreader event just like what happened in South Korea.


Exactly, that's why the economy is slowly but gradually being reopened with important businesses being prioritized first. Casinos are establishments which most people can live without, therefore not really important to take some hastened reopening.


Jokes on you, high-ranking government officials and people of all sorts can enter these fancy casinos provided that you just dress nicely. You don't even have to show money in order to get in. Also, the virus does not discriminate between rich people and the commoners, so this argument shouldn't even be put forth.

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Again, casinos promote mass gatherings of unimportant matters. People hold things in there that are necessary for their gambling exploits which could pass the virus more often than they can even blink. I get the sentiment that casino employees are currently out of revenues since the lockdowns were imposed but aren't most of the citizens on the same page? For now, most people will agree that physical casinos are UNIMPORTANT to our society given the situation. They bring in revenue but are revenues more important than public welfare and health safety? I think not. It's great if people will actually follow the guidelines strictly, but most of it will be forgotten inside a place wherein anyone thinks only of one thing and one thing only: winning the jackpot.

This doesnt only talk in PH alone but also in other places as well where they do even having that ECQ or GCQ whatsoever where they do still continue to
open up the public in spite of the spreading virus and take it as an example which is currently happening in Japan where they dont impose any quarantine-like
but just simply depending on discipline into its citizens and still continue into their normal living.

Answering if its worth to re-open those gambling physical places then as long they do follow up that new protocol then i wouldnt see it as a problem though
and come to think that even malls are already opened which it is actually the same since both do generate crowd.

Studies show that the corona strand in the Philippines isn't a killer as much as the strand in some countries like Brazil.  It may not be safe because once the patient has a weak heart and respiratory system, the patient will eventually experience the hard breathing so they might have to implement strict measures like checking the health of their customers and even the casino workers.

I don't see why others are against this. What's the difference between opening these land-based casinos while every other establishment is now open for services? An establishment that way more lots of people such as malls, restaurants, markets, grocery, department stores, and many more.

If the concern is the affection, then why shift into GCQ? Why other businesses with more people allowed to open? Lockdown for several months should be imposed. Are people can able to handle that long? Definitely no.

Land-based casinos under PAGCOR are highly strict. People can't just go inside or for a much better term, common people aren't allowed. You need to show you are capable of playing there. Therefore, if the strict capacity limit will be imposed then the social distancing will be followed properly compare to other establishments. Their safety measure is much more strict compare to others.

Other care for gamblers but didn't concern of other people who are going every day on those large establishments that are allowed to open lol. Land-based casinos might not be an essential establishment to others but they also have employees that need to go back on work. PAGCOR needs to operate again even by slowly. Revenues came from their operations are being used to fund the government's projects and works e.g charity, social welfare, etc.

The economy is affected and casinos are huge contributors in most countries that allows it. They have no choice but to submit the operations to be back again but IATF is the one to decide if they will allow it to re-operate. It isn't an essential so they might decline the request.
But, if there's already a date for the reopening then there's a possibility that this has already been guaranteed and just for the sake of reports and formality, they're telling it to the medias.

Well, all of the places with the risk of getting the virus is under GCQ now, no need to talk about this, they would gladly say yes to this since they are wanting to take care of the economy and not their people. I agree that they should consider this greatly as there are still hundreds and hundreds of new cases adding up every day but I think it is in favor to them since there are a lot of people that agree with extrajudicial killings that is happening.

Majorly the unlock of the cities have started and now things will open slowly. Only major concern is that in many cities or countries the numbers are still rising and with opening the chances of spreading the rise is sure to happen. So only thing that can avoid is to maintain distance and follow the guidelines suggested by respective authorities. And for people who can avoid going to casino and play online should be doing it.

Actually when Duterte eases out the lockdown this June 1, the first thing I didn't it so check one of the casino's here and see if there are some updates are whether these casino's are going to open or not, fortunately, there's not as of yet.

However, being a landbase player, I wouldn't put the risk in playing even after PAGCOR will give the go signal to re-open the big 3, RW (Resorts World) , COD (City of Dreams) and Solaire Resort and Casino. Of course I missed the environment, but no thanks, will prefer to play online for now until the Covid-19 has flatten the curve in the Philippines.

I know that the government gets a lot of tax from the gambling industry but I don't think it is worth to risk the lives of the workers especially when the infection rate hasn't decreased at all and commuting from home to work is very hard and commuters will be in contact with a lot of people where proper social distancing is not being properly implemented and the possibility of getting infected by the virus is extremely high.

This is just mad.

They know that the cases are still increasing, they implemented GCQ, a lot of testings are having a problem, they are submitting the anti-terror bill that just makes them like crybabies being scared and afraid of being told by media and social accounts. They have the nerve on focussing on this bill rather than focussing on the pandemic, and since they can't stop the increasing cases, they will just turn a blind eye to it and return to normal. And when they are asked about it, they will say that the people wanted it, so they went with it. In the end, their ego is more important than their people.

The Philippines is on general Quarantine and they are lifting lock down on many part of the countries most of the  business are now open and some workers can now go to work but transportation is still not operational and this is bad , I have seen so many people on the road and they ignore social distancing, I'm afraid there would be another wave of infections, and this is scary.

yes there is based on what i read above so im with them.  other than that  , i also see a graph above that shows that ph country were now improving  in terms of recoveries from covid  . that only means that people are now learning on how to protect thier selves with strict security measures  and we can assure that they will follow simple and strict rules  that are given to them  .  gamblers wont only benefit on this opening but most of all the workers  . they can earn now .

If proper safety measures are seriously conducted, then I think it lowers the risk. However, it's not 100% safe.
Safety is not the main concern with this "new normal" stuff since people will be safest if they remain at home. But, the economy must recover so people can earn money and meet their daily needs. It's inevitable after the shutdown failed to eradicate the virus since so many workers depend on the casino/tourism to make a living.

Yeah, it will generate new more cases no matter how strict the protocols, no matter how the citizens/gamblers abide the guidelines it will only just end up to new more infections not unless the country had already done the mass testing the government promised. Those numbers and statistics isn't totally certain as there were numerous people that I'm quite sure have been carrying the virus yet been left unchecked.

If by chance mass testing have been done, and right away isolation to those people who showed a positive result, suspicious one who have been in-contact as well. And a major change occurs within those numbers, then it is somehow safe to say and/or to decide whether the operation of land-based casino should be allowed given that the number of cases the country has, is almost close to being precise.

Bottom line, allowing those casino isn't a good idea for now not unless the country isn't blind with the number of cases anymore.

Here is the official website of the Department of Health in our country; this will give you an accurate statistics regarding the cases of viral outbreak.
[1] https://www.doh.gov.ph/2019-ncov/

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*This is not updated*

Looking at the graph, there are still a large number of people who has not yet been tested and this implies that allowing mass gatherings will surely compromise the healthy safety of the people. In fact, we don't have any control of governments' verdict whether they allow them or not. If in turn they allow this; a strict compliance to guidelines must be enforced.

The sad thing is, there is a decrease of fun and enjoyment inside these land based casino, there is nothing we can do but to adopt "New nomal" until there is a vaccine.

There's a high chance that these land-based casinos will operate soon because they are one of the biggest tax contributor in the Philippines but i doubt gamblers are itching to go to the casinos as of this time because of the risk involve. Gamblers are there for leisure not essentials so i think they would stay home until there is vaccine for this COVID-19.

Well, am abit careful with the words used on the post, so I wouldn't approve if the purpose of opening in a crisis time like this is to "gamble".
I don't see anything wrong with gaming though, as long as the games are safe and players bet responsibily(and not gamble). Gambling esp in crisis period doesn't sound right to me
Hope the safety measures are sufficient.