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You are right in here. However, there are still issues that resides behind the darkness of PAGCOR. The POGOs that still haven't paid taxes. Yes, we need money to both survive and use it for the research or for the maintenance of the pandemic, more specifically on health factors and frontliners' salaries. Yet, recently (and even as of now) PAGCOR investigates POGOs (mostly online platforms and employees are Chinese) with why their taxes are still pending. If they would focus on finishing recent problems first with their taxes, maybe they can use it for the pandemic and the people whom are trying to flatten the curve. Then if they can't comply nor pay their taxes as early as possible, they mustn't be operating now.

I don't want to talk about politics since after all that you say is just what you read on the news.

Those POGO's that don't pay their taxes are those tagged as illegitimate POGOs. Like in any other business, there are good and bad. Some owners are lazy to work on their tax pending and the result, the penalty increase year by year. In general, there are lots of POGOS that complying with the law compared to those shitty ones. My brother is working in a POGO industry so I'm aware of their industry as I also employed there before.

And authorities are doing their best to track down these POGOs and for the record some already comply with the law even before the pandemic hits hard the country.

This is a fact, however, we cannot also remove that people and even the news generalize POGO so those who are diligently paying their taxes are affected. The government might as well focus on those who are operating illegally. I also have read an article that the number of crime related to gambling increased since China started their gambling operation here in Philippines and most of the crime commited is kidnapping.
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You are right in here. However, there are still issues that resides behind the darkness of PAGCOR. The POGOs that still haven't paid taxes. Yes, we need money to both survive and use it for the research or for the maintenance of the pandemic, more specifically on health factors and frontliners' salaries. Yet, recently (and even as of now) PAGCOR investigates POGOs (mostly online platforms and employees are Chinese) with why their taxes are still pending. If they would focus on finishing recent problems first with their taxes, maybe they can use it for the pandemic and the people whom are trying to flatten the curve. Then if they can't comply nor pay their taxes as early as possible, they mustn't be operating now.

I don't want to talk about politics since after all that you say is just what you read on the news.

Those POGO's that don't pay their taxes are those tagged as illegitimate POGOs. Like in any other business, there are good and bad. Some owners are lazy to work on their tax pending and the result, the penalty increase year by year. In general, there are lots of POGOS that complying with the law compared to those shitty ones. My brother is working in a POGO industry so I'm aware of their industry as I also employed there before.

And authorities are doing their best to track down these POGOs and for the record some already comply with the law even before the pandemic hits hard the country.
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If we were to decide, would we choose that they will not resume because of the covid-19 scare? or they have to resume to contribute to the economy?

I think it is better for them to resume it now.

As it will not just contribute to the workers and the economy, people will also have a way to ease their minds during this pandemic. Since here in our country, workers are starting to go back in their offices or jobs, I think it is time to resume. Also, they said that they will follow procedures so as long as they keep that up, gamblers and workers there would be fine.
As long that they follow the protocols to avoid spreading the virus.

If they will work according to how WHO/DOH procedures, it's possible to reopen and gain some help from this business.
We all know how the government are trying to earn to continue surviving from this pandemic virus, there are lots of
expenses especially from the medical aspects of the society.


That's correct, therefore they need to earn from their operations and private operations to fund all the financial needs.

Why people are only looking at the bad side, which is when they resume the virus will spread, but not looking at the other side which would solve the problem in our economy. What we are experiencing now is the pandemic which is a health issue but it has a big effect on our economy that is why people will financially struggle especially those minimum wage earners who only rely on their daily income.

People would always look out for the bad side without even considering the other part or trying to understand on what government is trying to achieve.

They can support entirely if there were no tax being generated thats why their option is to let those businesses open in spite of the risk that we are facing now.

economy wont survive if this one would take too long.We should understand they are trying to save up lives but all of us wont sustain if we dont have income and also generate tax for the government.

Vaccine is all we need for us to go back to normal.
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If we were to decide, would we choose that they will not resume because of the covid-19 scare? or they have to resume to contribute to the economy?

I think it is better for them to resume it now.

As it will not just contribute to the workers and the economy, people will also have a way to ease their minds during this pandemic. Since here in our country, workers are starting to go back in their offices or jobs, I think it is time to resume. Also, they said that they will follow procedures so as long as they keep that up, gamblers and workers there would be fine.
Most countries are in this scenario. If there's no more blood money that runs through the economy, they have to operate back to give jobs again to their employees and also at the same time to contribute again to economy. We have to accept the new normal and its protocols, everything is about to resume and we have to take care of ourselves especially those gamblers that will go back to their routine of visiting the physical casinos that will be allowed to reoperate.
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If we were to decide, would we choose that they will not resume because of the covid-19 scare? or they have to resume to contribute to the economy?

I think it is better for them to resume it now.

As it will not just contribute to the workers and the economy, people will also have a way to ease their minds during this pandemic. Since here in our country, workers are starting to go back in their offices or jobs, I think it is time to resume. Also, they said that they will follow procedures so as long as they keep that up, gamblers and workers there would be fine.
As long that they follow the protocols to avoid spreading the virus.

If they will work according to how WHO/DOH procedures, it's possible to reopen and gain some help from this business.
We all know how the government are trying to earn to continue surviving from this pandemic virus, there are lots of
expenses especially from the medical aspects of the society.


That's correct, therefore they need to earn from their operations and private operations to fund all the financial needs.

Why people are only looking at the bad side, which is when they resume the virus will spread, but not looking at the other side which would solve the problem in our economy. What we are experiencing now is the pandemic which is a health issue but it has a big effect on our economy that is why people will financially struggle especially those minimum wage earners who only rely on their daily income.
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Not only for the employees but mostly on the government side as when it creates revenue, they can use the funds to combat the pandemic.
Employees of casinos may earn millions of pesos combine per year but PAGCOR is making billions in a yearly basis, and that is a big contribution for our economy.

If we will always look at the risk,we can never survive as we need money to combat the pandemic and we can't afford to borrow money again which will only result to burden of our taxpayer since we don't know when this pandemic is over.

You are right in here. However, there are still issues that resides behind the darkness of PAGCOR. The POGOs that still haven't paid taxes. Yes, we need money to both survive and use it for the research or for the maintenance of the pandemic, more specifically on health factors and frontliners' salaries. Yet, recently (and even as of now) PAGCOR investigates POGOs (mostly online platforms and employees are Chinese) with why their taxes are still pending. If they would focus on finishing recent problems first with their taxes, maybe they can use it for the pandemic and the people whom are trying to flatten the curve. Then if they can't comply nor pay their taxes as early as possible, they mustn't be operating now.

However, it is not a good idea to open a Land-based casino. The cases are still rising, yet the ones whom are mostly negatively affected are those whom are at the low class of society, and those whom can play casinos can live because they can afford hospital bills and preventive measures. But still the issue here is different, pandemic killed almost everyone in Italy, yet here we are, the Philippines, thinking of playing casinos amid the crisis.

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well following Las Vegas and UK opening their Casinos ,i think at least Philippines will also start their gambling operation again because of the Big financial problem like now that all of the people are relying in government for Help and support.
also i am sure that many big time gamblers now are longing to Bet again and satisfy their Addiction in betting.

Well, LasVegas and UK also has huge number of cases and still rising, and how did opening their gambling operations help them eradicate it? Nothing. It only serves and helps the satisfaction of the riches while those poor were suffering.

As long that they follow the protocols to avoid spreading the virus.

If they will work according to how WHO/DOH procedures, it's possible to reopen and gain some help from this business.
We all know how the government are trying to earn to continue surviving from this pandemic virus, there are lots of
expenses especially from the medical aspects of the society.

One reason why (even protocols are being followed) is that many Filipinos are asymptomatic. Meaning that despite how they feel good right now, sooner even on their casino games, they will and can inhale the virus and weeks before the symptoms hits. There are no assurance whether someone or something hasn't have any virus.
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If we were to decide, would we choose that they will not resume because of the covid-19 scare? or they have to resume to contribute to the economy?

I think it is better for them to resume it now.

As it will not just contribute to the workers and the economy, people will also have a way to ease their minds during this pandemic. Since here in our country, workers are starting to go back in their offices or jobs, I think it is time to resume. Also, they said that they will follow procedures so as long as they keep that up, gamblers and workers there would be fine.
As long that they follow the protocols to avoid spreading the virus.

If they will work according to how WHO/DOH procedures, it's possible to reopen and gain some help from this business.
We all know how the government are trying to earn to continue surviving from this pandemic virus, there are lots of
expenses especially from the medical aspects of the society.
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After 2 months of strict quarantine in the Philippines, PAGCOR (Philippines Amusement and Gaming Corporation) submitted an approval to resume land-based gaming to IATF (Inter-Agency Task Force). Last month they submitted the request including the proposed safety guidelines to follow by the operators.

Last March when the Philippines started its ECQ (Enhanced Community Quarantine) where most businesses have closed, and only essential businesses remain. While the start of June, they lifted the lockdown to GCQ (General Community Quarantine) were workers and employees can go back to work and the opening of some businesses. For the whole 2 months of ECQ, most businesses have no income, same with casinos. Until now, casinos are closed and gambling is still banned in the country to avoid crowded places.

Now, PAGCOR revealed that they submitted a request to resume the operations of land-based casinos. They included safety protocols such as;
-wearing of face masks
-strict compliance of social distancing
-limiting the capacity of not more than 50% to both table games and EGMs
-preventing standing bettors or loitering in the gaming areas.  

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The possible date for re-opening is June 16 when GCQ restrictions come under further review.

Some land-based casinos have already shown their preparations for the possible reopening of casinos. Safety measures include regular disinfecting of equipment, thermal scanning, sanitation mats, and more. Big casinos are being monitored, waiting if they are planning to re-open soon.

This is good news for gamblers who badly want to gamble if they allowed the reopening of casinos. But knowing the correct situation, our country has already almost 19,000 positive cases, they might reject this request. And if ever they will reopen land-based casinos, perhaps only high-class people can gamble because lower-class gamblers don't gamble in a big casino. Personally, I don't know if they will approve this request or not because unlike the gamblers, the public will probably don't want to reopen casinos.

Do you think it's safe to reopen land-based gaming knowing that the cases are still increasing by hundreds every day?

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https://pokercastasia.com/2020/06/02/pagcor-waiting-for-approval-from-iatf-for-covid19-to-resume-land-base-operations/

well following Las Vegas and UK opening their Casinos ,i think at least Philippines will also start their gambling operation again because of the Big financial problem like now that all of the people are relying in government for Help and support.

also i am sure that many big time gamblers now are longing to Bet again and satisfy their Addiction in betting.
hero member
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If we were to decide, would we choose that they will not resume because of the covid-19 scare? or they have to resume to contribute to the economy?

I think it is better for them to resume it now.

As it will not just contribute to the workers and the economy, people will also have a way to ease their minds during this pandemic. Since here in our country, workers are starting to go back to their offices or jobs, I think it is time to resume. Also, they said that they will follow procedures so as long as they keep that up, gamblers and workers there would be fine.

This will indeed help the economy as it will increase the employment rate. A huge number of casino employees had been laid off, and some are on force leave since the pandemic, even with lesser number of employees that will return to work, this is a huge help not just for the mass but also to the economy since casinos can resume their operation and government will have more source of taxes.

Let's just hope the implementation of health guidelines for casino visitors will be strictly implemented to avoid having more cases on their end.

Not only for the employees but mostly on the government side as when it creates revenue, they can use the funds to combat the pandemic.
Employees of casinos may earn millions of pesos combine per year but PAGCOR is making billions in a yearly basis, and that is a big contribution for our economy.

If we will always look at the risk,we can never survive as we need money to combat the pandemic and we can't afford to borrow money again which will only result to burden of our taxpayer since we don't know when this pandemic is over.
sr. member
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If we were to decide, would we choose that they will not resume because of the covid-19 scare? or they have to resume to contribute to the economy?

I think it is better for them to resume it now.

As it will not just contribute to the workers and the economy, people will also have a way to ease their minds during this pandemic. Since here in our country, workers are starting to go back to their offices or jobs, I think it is time to resume. Also, they said that they will follow procedures so as long as they keep that up, gamblers and workers there would be fine.

This will indeed help the economy as it will increase the employment rate. A huge number of casino employees had been laid off, and some are on force leave since the pandemic, even with lesser number of employees that will return to work, this is a huge help not just for the mass but also to the economy since casinos can resume their operation and government will have more source of taxes.

Let's just hope the implementation of health guidelines for casino visitors will be strictly implemented to avoid having more cases on their end.
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The government here have also included a lot of rules like that , there are police cars roaming around everywhere and warning people , but guess what ?
only around 5% people does follow the rules .
At the same time , they even look at the people wearing masks very weirdly....I do think for the time being it is important for them to follow the rules for a while . It is in no way going to help anyone if it goes on .
The Premature opening of the Casinos will actually increase the cases , which would cause this whole thing to actually go on for more time and therefore the Quarantine will be extended and the business will be put on a halt.

Plus the Virus is mutating if we do follow the news bulletin , which means we might be in for a worse case scenario.
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If we were to decide, would we choose that they will not resume because of the covid-19 scare? or they have to resume to contribute to the economy?

I think it is better for them to resume it now.

As it will not just contribute to the workers and the economy, people will also have a way to ease their minds during this pandemic. Since here in our country, workers are starting to go back in their offices or jobs, I think it is time to resume. Also, they said that they will follow procedures so as long as they keep that up, gamblers and workers there would be fine.
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Both decision to ease the restriction and to go back to a strict measures have negative impact to us, but the government has to choose a lesser evil and that is opening businesses so people can get back their job again.

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Actually yes since there are so many controversy if we talk about POGO since this is a hot topic but I see the manufacturing and other essential business opening up but the problem is the transportation where its a big challenge for the workers to walk up just to come to their respected jobs maybe the manning agency will take a look on this so that everyone will not struggle. But as we are in POGO discussion well maybe the least we can do is to trust the government since for sure they know on what they are doing if there's implementation or anything.
Everything would really be depending on the plan and as a citizen then you wont really have any choice but to obey on what they had implemented since they are

the ones in the position then they are capable on doing such changes and manage up things.You got actually the point about that transportation matters where its really hard

for workers to do daily commute if thats always been the case. There are vehicles which are really intended for them but those arent enough if we do consider the number

of workers.
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You are right! Government do always took the blame in every decision that they had made without even think for its citizens that it would really be a sustainable one if it would last even more longer.

Several countries had already opened or lift up their quarantine mode and do continue into their normal lives but with having that new health protocol to be followed.Yes, its risky but people will

surely choose that this is way more better than to stay on home and starve themselves to death thats why i cant really blame up people whom do force to have work just for this kind of reason.
Both decision to ease the restriction and to go back to a strict measures have negative impact to us, but the government has to choose a lesser evil and that is opening businesses so people can get back their job again.

You have a point with that but unfortunately not all things will be covered nor will be taken care off since there are establishments are hard to do certain implementation of New normal set up and unlike POGO's where for sure they can paddle up a little bit to be a fire starter on bringing back the economy to life although they are not much big tax payers but still they are a good start since they can help the government on finances and for sure precautionary measures has been implemented since its easy for them to set the things up.

and I see the other type of industry is now starting up right now so I think this is a fair studied by the government and the thing is we should trust the government since for sure they know what's best to their citizen.
It wont really be that sufficient if we do talk only with POGO specially the government had implemented that continuous aid into those poor people which means if other business wont

open their doors then it wont really be that sustainable or would really be hard.So thats why they do come up into that decision on opening or approving for business to run again

because if they  do continually able to hold it up then it will surely slapped it down hard when it comes to economy topic.

Actually yes since there are so many controversy if we talk about POGO since this is a hot topic but I see the manufacturing and other essential business opening up but the problem is the transportation where its a big challenge for the workers to walk up just to come to their respected jobs maybe the manning agency will take a look on this so that everyone will not struggle. But as we are in POGO discussion well maybe the least we can do is to trust the government since for sure they know on what they are doing if there's implementation or anything.
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I think they should ease the restriction and let other businesses open as the government can't feed all its people. Not all people can avail of their govt benefits and so they will starve to death if they will not find a way how to earn their own money. And if everyone will wait for the govt's aid, I don't think they will see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Although the curve is not yet flattening they have opened some industries to operate, some restaurants, malls, and works are now opened only the transportation is not like bus and jeepneys which are the popular mode of transportation, people now will have to use a bicycle or walk to get into their work, Pagcor I believe can reopen they have slots there it can be reopened but with card games, they must follow strict protocols and rearrange the table arrangement so they can follow the right protoocols.
That's one of the major problems most workers are facing, even if they want to go back to work, not all employers are providing them transportation services. And I can see how hard it is for the majority of workers to travel back and forth because mist of them don't have private cars, and bikes are not accessible for those who work far from their homes. Only limited public transportations are available, and they are also limiting passengers so it's difficult for them to go back to work.
It depends on the status of the company, if it's a small company, they can't afford to give transportation for their employees, but for big companies, maybe they can provide that but there's only few who can do that, I think it's time that the government will give their support to private businesses so they can go back to their operation effectively. Sorry, I can't feel those who have struggled to work due to lack of transportation as I have retired being an employee a long time ago.

As for land-based casinos, they can reopen with strict protocol but the thing is if cases would remain increasing, there's a chance that we'll go back to ECQ, and casinos won't be able to reopen. Let's just hope that new positive cases would decrease so we can start going back living in (new) normal lives.

I expect the cases will rise but I don't expect they will close again the casino as it could possibly be applicable to other kind of businesses that could potentially put people at risk even if there is protocol in place as there are people who will violate as expected.
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I think they should ease the restriction and let other businesses open as the government can't feed all its people. Not all people can avail of their govt benefits and so they will starve to death if they will not find a way how to earn their own money. And if everyone will wait for the govt's aid, I don't think they will see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Although the curve is not yet flattening they have opened some industries to operate, some restaurants, malls, and works are now opened only the transportation is not like bus and jeepneys which are the popular mode of transportation, people now will have to use a bicycle or walk to get into their work, Pagcor I believe can reopen they have slots there it can be reopened but with card games, they must follow strict protocols and rearrange the table arrangement so they can follow the right protoocols.
That's one of the major problems most workers are facing, even if they want to go back to work, not all employers are providing them transportation services. And I can see how hard it is for the majority of workers to travel back and forth because mist of them don't have private cars, and bikes are not accessible for those who work far from their homes. Only limited public transportations are available, and they are also limiting passengers so it's difficult for them to go back to work.

As for land-based casinos, they can reopen with strict protocol but the thing is if cases would remain increasing, there's a chance that we'll go back to ECQ, and casinos won't be able to reopen. Let's just hope that new positive cases would decrease so we can start going back living in (new) normal lives.
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You are right! Government do always took the blame in every decision that they had made without even think for its citizens that it would really be a sustainable one if it would last even more longer.

Several countries had already opened or lift up their quarantine mode and do continue into their normal lives but with having that new health protocol to be followed.Yes, its risky but people will

surely choose that this is way more better than to stay on home and starve themselves to death thats why i cant really blame up people whom do force to have work just for this kind of reason.

If the government will listen to the majority, they will ease the restriction and let people work since majority of the Filipinos belongs to the average and poor living, that's the reality we can't deny. The problem is if we go back to the ECQ, people will starve and there will be rallies if the government can't provide their basic needs and that will create chaos which would later give worst effect to our peace and order and that will kill our economy.

Both decision to ease the restriction and to go back to a strict measures have negative impact to us, but the government has to choose a lesser evil and that is opening businesses so people can get back their job again.

I think they should ease the restriction and let other businesses open as the government can't feed all its people. Not all people can avail of their govt benefits and so they will starve to death if they will not find a way how to earn their own money. And if everyone will wait for the govt's aid, I don't think they will see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Its true that government cannot feed everyone but they should avoid opening casinos and places where public gathering is expected. They should implement smart lock down where by only those places should be allowed to open where there are less public presence expected.
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I just can't think of reasons why the system of transportation in the country isn't good, and they prioritize PAGCOR and the opening of casinos. We're not Vegas, and gambling casinos aren't our main means of helping our economy.

PAGCOR may not be the main means but it's a big contributor to the income of the government, as I have posted in the previous page.

https://www.rappler.com/business/263388-pagcor-says-gambling-to-help-economic-future-philippines-post-coronavirus

here are the figures.

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Pagcor has contributed P12 billion in cash dividends to the National Treasury to fund the coronavirus fight. (READ: PSC gets 90% fund cut from Pagcor in April)

It has also given P2.5 billion to the Office of the President (OP) to help the Department of Health purchase personal protective equipment and medical supplies, and another P12 billion for the OP's socio-civic projects fund.

If our country is so concern about ABSCBN who does not even pay at least 1 billions pesos income tax in a yearly basis, then we should be looking more into PAGCOR as they are more than a billion of income and directly forwarded to the pocket of the government.
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Although the curve is not yet flattening they have opened some industries to operate, some restaurants, malls, and works are now opened only the transportation is not like bus and jeepneys which are the popular mode of transportation, people now will have to use a bicycle or walk to get into their work, Pagcor I believe can reopen they have slots there it can be reopened but with card games, they must follow strict protocols and rearrange the table arrangement so they can follow the right protoocols.

Perhaps, they might prioritize slot machines and games which are not requiring any interaction from gamblers, as I think it is crucial to allow card games such as poker because exchanging cards will be the way to spread the virus, but if they are only allowing slot machines and games which aren't allowing interaction from gamblers, they can easily sanitize the machine after a person is done using it.

I just can't think of reasons why the system of transportation in the country isn't good, and they prioritize PAGCOR and the opening of casinos. We're not Vegas, and gambling casinos aren't our main means of helping our economy.
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I think they should ease the restriction and let other businesses open as the government can't feed all its people. Not all people can avail of their govt benefits and so they will starve to death if they will not find a way how to earn their own money. And if everyone will wait for the govt's aid, I don't think they will see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Although the curve is not yet flattening they have opened some industries to operate, some restaurants, malls, and works are now opened only the transportation is not like bus and jeepneys which are the popular mode of transportation, people now will have to use a bicycle or walk to get into their work, Pagcor I believe can reopen they have slots there it can be reopened but with card games, they must follow strict protocols and rearrange the table arrangement so they can follow the right protoocols.
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