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We all know how the government are trying to earn to continue surviving from this pandemic virus, there are lots of
expenses especially from the medical aspects of the society.

So much that the debt is also added.

I don't know what the plan of the government is but the thing is that a lot of people are actually angry to our government, I do understand their side but they are not looking at the government's side too. I am not taking any sides here, I just want our country to survive and resume the normal lives we had before this pandemic.

President Duterte did everything in his power to help every Filipino, but with a tight budget and even if we did get help from private sectors to raise a lot of money, still not enough though. We can't really resume to our normal lives, sad to say.

I just hope the people and the leaders could agree on one thing to quickly fight this pandemic, that would be really great to see.

They are, all the leaders are working very hard, from local barangay to Mayors up to the President. But it's about time to really open up this casinos to generate money and help build the economy of the country again.

What I am saying is those people that are actually mad to the president.

Those people that keep on protesting despite the things the government did. I do understand what they're protesting has done but as he conflicts with these people fire up, it becomes harder. I guess we can't just really go back to the normal, at least we are slowly going back to our jobs and people are actually working again right now.

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We all know how the government are trying to earn to continue surviving from this pandemic virus, there are lots of
expenses especially from the medical aspects of the society.

So much that the debt is also added.

I don't know what the plan of the government is but the thing is that a lot of people are actually angry to our government, I do understand their side but they are not looking at the government's side too. I am not taking any sides here, I just want our country to survive and resume the normal lives we had before this pandemic.

President Duterte did everything in his power to help every Filipino, but with a tight budget and even if we did get help from private sectors to raise a lot of money, still not enough though. We can't really resume to our normal lives, sad to say.

I just hope the people and the leaders could agree on one thing to quickly fight this pandemic, that would be really great to see.

They are, all the leaders are working very hard, from local barangay to Mayors up to the President. But it's about time to really open up this casinos to generate money and help build the economy of the country again.

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We all know how the government are trying to earn to continue surviving from this pandemic virus, there are lots of
expenses especially from the medical aspects of the society.

So much that the debt is also added.

I don't know what the plan of the government is but the thing is that a lot of people are actually angry to our government, I do understand their side but they are not looking at the government's side too. I am not taking any sides here, I just want our country to survive and resume the normal lives we had before this pandemic.

I just hope the people and the leaders could agree on one thing to quickly fight this pandemic, that would be really great to see.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on June 15, 2020, 03:32:43 AM

You are right in here. However, there are still issues that resides behind the darkness of PAGCOR. The POGOs that still haven't paid taxes. Yes, we need money to both survive and use it for the research or for the maintenance of the pandemic, more specifically on health factors and frontliners' salaries. Yet, recently (and even as of now) PAGCOR investigates POGOs (mostly online platforms and employees are Chinese) with why their taxes are still pending. If they would focus on finishing recent problems first with their taxes, maybe they can use it for the pandemic and the people whom are trying to flatten the curve. Then if they can't comply nor pay their taxes as early as possible, they mustn't be operating now.

I don't want to talk about politics since after all that you say is just what you read on the news.

Those POGO's that don't pay their taxes are those tagged as illegitimate POGOs. Like in any other business, there are good and bad. Some owners are lazy to work on their tax pending and the result, the penalty increase year by year. In general, there are lots of POGOS that complying with the law compared to those shitty ones. My brother is working in a POGO industry so I'm aware of their industry as I also employed there before.

And authorities are doing their best to track down these POGOs and for the record some already comply with the law even before the pandemic hits hard the country.

This is a fact, however, we cannot also remove that people and even the news generalize POGO so those who are diligently paying their taxes are affected. The government might as well focus on those who are operating illegally. I also have read an article that the number of crime related to gambling increased since China started their gambling operation here in Philippines and most of the crime commited is kidnapping.

Most affected individuals is those foreign Chinese who've been kidnapped by their fellow races who also been addicted on gambling. This needs serious attention by our authorities in order to prevent certain crimes related to kidnapping. Illegal gambling should be stopped, and support the legalized one. Tax income came from legit gambling operators and the nation will benefit from, so if they obeyed the regulations and precautionary measures then there's no problem about it.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on June 16, 2020, 05:22:44 PM

The question is, would the vaccine be cheap or can be attained/purchased by an average earner/ ordinary citizen? I have the doubts

that it wont really be that cheap.Lets hope that i would be wrong into that presumption and what matter most here is that vaccine should really be made asap

There supposed to be. You might want to read the article below that has been published just a few hours ago.

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"There is a clear, clear benefit," he said.

"The treatment is up to 10 days of dexamethasone and it costs about £5 per patient.

"So essentially it costs £35 to save a life.

"This is a drug that is globally available."

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on June 16, 2020, 03:09:07 PM

Its better than have nothing at all.If vaccine would be created then it would really be already treated out just like some contagious disease that we do know know like TB,HEPA and other similar.
At least we do know that theres cure behind.As time pass by this would really be part of the new normal.It might spread but it can be controlled since theres already a vaccine which most of us
are hoping for it to be available soon.

Vaccine will prevent the spread because if all people will get vaccinated, they won't be infected with the virus anymore even if the virus still exist.
The virus has already been circulating around the world, we can't see them so we can't defeat them but a vaccine would be our protection and we will get back to our normal lives as long as the vaccine is release, we are in new normal now, but that time we will be back to normal.

The question is, would the vaccine be cheap or can be attained/purchased by an average earner/ ordinary citizen? I have the doubts

that it wont really be that cheap.Lets hope that i would be wrong into that presumption and what matter most here is that vaccine should really be made asap

but for now, we should handle up things via our own discipline,

It should be, the government has to subsidize because this is pandemic where everyone could be a carrier.
The demand is worldwide therefore I don't expect it to be expensive, and it's need rather than a want, so pharma companies can't make a monopoly on this.

Can't say they will cooperate with it. They'd be creating two or maybe even more vaccines one for the most potent which will be a lot expensive and the cheaper for those not very effective. The most corrupt companies are these pharms who will prevent just about anything and will allow deaths of millions just for them to profit. Right now its the medicine that is still very expensive these days.

In the Philippines, even if you just have flu, they will isolate you and will be subject to be swabbed for Covid testing and has to pay for it before you'd be released from the hospital.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on June 16, 2020, 05:22:44 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on June 16, 2020, 05:08:36 PM

Quote from: carlfebz2 on June 16, 2020, 03:09:07 PM

Its better than have nothing at all.If vaccine would be created then it would really be already treated out just like some contagious disease that we do know know like TB,HEPA and other similar.
At least we do know that theres cure behind.As time pass by this would really be part of the new normal.It might spread but it can be controlled since theres already a vaccine which most of us
are hoping for it to be available soon.

Vaccine will prevent the spread because if all people will get vaccinated, they won't be infected with the virus anymore even if the virus still exist.
The virus has already been circulating around the world, we can't see them so we can't defeat them but a vaccine would be our protection and we will get back to our normal lives as long as the vaccine is release, we are in new normal now, but that time we will be back to normal.

The question is, would the vaccine be cheap or can be attained/purchased by an average earner/ ordinary citizen? I have the doubts

that it wont really be that cheap.Lets hope that i would be wrong into that presumption and what matter most here is that vaccine should really be made asap

but for now, we should handle up things via our own discipline,

It should be, the government has to subsidize because this is pandemic where everyone could be a carrier.
The demand is worldwide therefore I don't expect it to be expensive, and it's need rather than a want, so pharma companies can't make a monopoly on this.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 16, 2020, 05:08:36 PM

Quote from: carlfebz2 on June 16, 2020, 03:09:07 PM

Its better than have nothing at all.If vaccine would be created then it would really be already treated out just like some contagious disease that we do know know like TB,HEPA and other similar.
At least we do know that theres cure behind.As time pass by this would really be part of the new normal.It might spread but it can be controlled since theres already a vaccine which most of us
are hoping for it to be available soon.

Vaccine will prevent the spread because if all people will get vaccinated, they won't be infected with the virus anymore even if the virus still exist.
The virus has already been circulating around the world, we can't see them so we can't defeat them but a vaccine would be our protection and we will get back to our normal lives as long as the vaccine is release, we are in new normal now, but that time we will be back to normal.

The question is, would the vaccine be cheap or can be attained/purchased by an average earner/ ordinary citizen? I have the doubts

that it wont really be that cheap.Lets hope that i would be wrong into that presumption and what matter most here is that vaccine should really be made asap

but for now, we should handle up things via our own discipline,

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on June 16, 2020, 03:09:07 PM

Economic collapse would happen if this situation would continue.Its a hard decisions for their part since they do know they are risking peoples lives
but it do really need to make such step.

Of course, if only the government can stop the economy to save the lives of the people against the virus then they would do it, but they can't, they also need to take care of the economy, otherwise, we will experience an even worst problem.

True, if there were no funds left then lots of sectors would be affected not only on health sector but on other as well, like infrastructure etc...

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on June 16, 2020, 03:09:07 PM

Its better than have nothing at all.If vaccine would be created then it would really be already treated out just like some contagious disease that we do know know like TB,HEPA and other similar.
At least we do know that theres cure behind.As time pass by this would really be part of the new normal.It might spread but it can be controlled since theres already a vaccine which most of us
are hoping for it to be available soon.

Vaccine will prevent the spread because if all people will get vaccinated, they won't be infected with the virus anymore even if the virus still exist.
The virus has already been circulating around the world, we can't see them so we can't defeat them but a vaccine would be our protection and we will get back to our normal lives as long as the vaccine is release, we are in new normal now, but that time we will be back to normal.

Quote from: carlfebz2 on June 16, 2020, 03:09:07 PM

Economic collapse would happen if this situation would continue.Its a hard decisions for their part since they do know they are risking peoples lives
but it do really need to make such step.

Of course, if only the government can stop the economy to save the lives of the people against the virus then they would do it, but they can't, they also need to take care of the economy, otherwise, we will experience an even worst problem.

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Quote from: Oilacris on June 16, 2020, 12:46:45 PM

I cant blame out the community or citizens to have its own insights towards POGO, why? the government had prohibit online gambling but still these things do exist and been allowed.

Online gambling is allowed freely in the PH. Of course, as long as the company involved will comply with the law or have their business registered. POGO is one of the businesses that became hype alongside with BPO industry. It's just that other POGO operators join the flow and take this as an advantage to the point that they will try to operate illegally.

I salute the PH government for their effort to track down those illegal POGO operators. However, like in other government agencies such as DTI, LTO, BIR, there are "moles" involved too that's why some illegitimate POGO is running under the shadows.

Quote from: Oilacris on June 16, 2020, 12:46:45 PM

Who would be the one will not really be having a question in mind? In positive aspects, i can say that they can really be helpful towards taxation it would always matter in the legality.

The problem in media is, they are mostly covering the bad side of the POGO industry. Honestly, some people here when the term POGO is mentioned, they will think that those are illegal. Don't have time to argue with them, so be it.

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Quote from: bitbunnny on June 16, 2020, 01:29:10 PM

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If we were to decide, would we choose that they will not resume because of the covid-19 scare? or they have to resume to contribute to the economy?

I think it is better for them to resume it now.

As it will not just contribute to the workers and the economy, people will also have a way to ease their minds during this pandemic. Since here in our country, workers are starting to go back in their offices or jobs, I think it is time to resume. Also, they said that they will follow procedures so as long as they keep that up, gamblers and workers there would be fine.

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I'm not sure if vaccine would be enough. The virus could mutate and that iit wouldn't work for a long and it will spread again.
However, I agree that liviing needs to continue and economy and businesses needs to.go on, otherwise without income everything would colapse.And for most people, for some reason, government.is always on the bad side no matter what they do.

Its better than have nothing at all.If vaccine would be created then it would really be already treated out just like some contagious disease that we do know know like TB,HEPA and other similar.
At least we do know that theres cure behind.As time pass by this would really be part of the new normal.It might spread but it can be controlled since theres already a vaccine which most of us
are hoping for it to be available soon.

Economic collapse would happen if this situation would continue.Its a hard decisions for their part since they do know they are risking peoples lives
but it do really need to make such step.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on June 15, 2020, 06:21:29 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on June 15, 2020, 03:45:59 AM

Quote from: Janation on June 14, 2020, 04:52:53 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on June 13, 2020, 08:11:13 AM

If we were to decide, would we choose that they will not resume because of the covid-19 scare? or they have to resume to contribute to the economy?

I think it is better for them to resume it now.

As it will not just contribute to the workers and the economy, people will also have a way to ease their minds during this pandemic. Since here in our country, workers are starting to go back in their offices or jobs, I think it is time to resume. Also, they said that they will follow procedures so as long as they keep that up, gamblers and workers there would be fine.

As long that they follow the protocols to avoid spreading the virus.

If they will work according to how WHO/DOH procedures, it's possible to reopen and gain some help from this business.
We all know how the government are trying to earn to continue surviving from this pandemic virus, there are lots of
expenses especially from the medical aspects of the society.

That's correct, therefore they need to earn from their operations and private operations to fund all the financial needs.

Why people are only looking at the bad side, which is when they resume the virus will spread, but not looking at the other side which would solve the problem in our economy. What we are experiencing now is the pandemic which is a health issue but it has a big effect on our economy that is why people will financially struggle especially those minimum wage earners who only rely on their daily income.

People would always look out for the bad side without even considering the other part or trying to understand on what government is trying to achieve.

They can support entirely if there were no tax being generated thats why their option is to let those businesses open in spite of the risk that we are facing now.

economy wont survive if this one would take too long.We should understand they are trying to save up lives but all of us wont sustain if we dont have income and also generate tax for the government.

Vaccine is all we need for us to go back to normal.

I'm not sure if vaccine would be enough. The virus could mutate and that iit wouldn't work for a long and it will spread again.
However, I agree that liviing needs to continue and economy and businesses needs to.go on, otherwise without income everything would colapse.And for most people, for some reason, government.is always on the bad side no matter what they do.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 16, 2020, 09:09:46 AM

BIAS media in the Philippines are now started to fall, ABS-CBN and Rappler and among the media that are now hated by people.

POGO when refer as gambling on the average mind of people, they will hate it but if media will also explain the good news, people might appreciate POGO. Media actually fail to tell us that POGO is paying billions of pesos for taxes, and this is a big help to boost our economy.

as you can see.

Philippines collects US$126 million in POGO taxes in 2019

That's over 6 biillion pesos of taxes.

These two media are the thorn administration of Duterte, they always broadcast bad news and left the good news, these POGO are a big help to our economy and they should be allowed to open so we can sustain the government needs in this dangerous times, Philippine is a third world country and needs a lot of source of income.

As expected on how to media plays into this kind of issue not only into this part but in all sorts of sectors where they can hide or show off according to their likes.

I cant blame out the community or citizens to have its own insights towards POGO, why? the government had prohibit online gambling but still these things do exist and been allowed.

Who would be the one will not really be having a question in mind? In positive aspects, i can say that they can really be helpful towards taxation it would always matter in the legality.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 16, 2020, 09:09:46 AM

BIAS media in the Philippines are now started to fall, ABS-CBN and Rappler and among the media that are now hated by people.

POGO when refer as gambling on the average mind of people, they will hate it but if media will also explain the good news, people might appreciate POGO. Media actually fail to tell us that POGO is paying billions of pesos for taxes, and this is a big help to boost our economy.

as you can see.

Philippines collects US$126 million in POGO taxes in 2019

That's over 6 biillion pesos of taxes.

These two media are the thorn administration of Duterte, they always broadcast bad news and left the good news, these POGO are a big help to our economy and they should be allowed to open so we can sustain the government needs in this dangerous times, Philippine is a third world country and needs a lot of source of income.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on June 16, 2020, 09:47:03 AM

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Those POGO's that don't pay their taxes are those tagged as illegitimate POGOs. Like in any other business, there are good and bad. Some owners are lazy to work on their tax pending and the result, the penalty increase year by year. In general, there are lots of POGOS that complying with the law compared to those shitty ones. My brother is working in a POGO industry so I'm aware of their industry as I also employed there before.

I think you're quite wrong there. I've seen the news and read some article that says they were legitimate POGOs as they are licensed in the Philippines.
(Article: Majority of licensed Pogos failed to pay P50B in taxes in 2019 — BIR official

I also have a cousin working in POGO and he'd told me that those issue is indeed real.

It's good that the BIR are honest under the current administration, if it's in the past administration, maybe this 50 billion tax defeciencies will not be collected as corrupt BIR officials will just take advantage on their personal interest. The fact that it was discovered, I think it would be easy for the authorities to collect that tax, otherwise, these operators will face some lawsuit.

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And yes, the authorities are working on their cases as of now, and maybe they must do it much faster because the said companies are continuing their operations despite the pandemic.

I think they are already allowed to operate.

https://www.onenews.ph/pogos-to-resume-operations-after-quarantine-is-lifted

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Labor Undersecretary Dominique Tutay says Philippine offshore gaming operations are expected to be back after their suspension in line with enhanced community quarantine in Luzon.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on June 15, 2020, 03:32:43 AM

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Those POGO's that don't pay their taxes are those tagged as illegitimate POGOs. Like in any other business, there are good and bad. Some owners are lazy to work on their tax pending and the result, the penalty increase year by year. In general, there are lots of POGOS that complying with the law compared to those shitty ones. My brother is working in a POGO industry so I'm aware of their industry as I also employed there before.

I think you're quite wrong there. I've seen the news and read some article that says they were legitimate POGOs as they are licensed in the Philippines.
(Article: Majority of licensed Pogos failed to pay P50B in taxes in 2019 — BIR official

I also have a cousin working in POGO and he'd told me that those issue is indeed real. And yes, the authorities are working on their cases as of now, and maybe they must do it much faster because the said companies are continuing their operations despite the pandemic.

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This is a fact, however, we cannot also remove that people and even the news generalize POGO so those who are diligently paying their taxes are affected. The government might as well focus on those who are operating illegally. I also have read an article that the number of crime related to gambling increased since China started their gambling operation here in Philippines and most of the crime commited is kidnapping.

Can you site the article you've been talking about? Well, that's another issue yet a bigger prospect than the reopening of the land based casinos. Yet, overall, gambling operations must be stopped first, in order to both prevent the pandemic and punish those POGOs that evades taxes and operates amidst the quarantine.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 16, 2020, 02:49:38 AM

This is a fact, however, we cannot also remove that people and even the news generalize POGO so those who are diligently paying their taxes are affected.

this is true, but people generalizing it is due to media always only want to show one side of the story. the saddest part is some people doesn't even know what POGO is and just going with the flow and hating POGO without knowing anything about it.

BIAS media in the Philippines are now started to fall, ABS-CBN and Rappler and among the media that are now hated by people.

POGO when refer as gambling on the average mind of people, they will hate it but if media will also explain the good news, people might appreciate POGO. Media actually fail to tell us that POGO is paying billions of pesos for taxes, and this is a big help to boost our economy.

as you can see.

Philippines collects US$126 million in POGO taxes in 2019

That's over 6 biillion pesos of taxes.

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This is a fact, however, we cannot also remove that people and even the news generalize POGO so those who are diligently paying their taxes are affected.

this is true, but people generalizing it is due to media always only want to show one side of the story. the saddest part is some people doesn't even know what POGO is and just going with the flow and hating POGO without knowing anything about it.

The government might as well focus on those who are operating illegally.

they are, there are just not enough coverage of it in the media. which I think is a Good Idea to cover the government's operation against illegal POGO operators.