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Quote from: Wysi on November 12, 2020, 04:56:12 AM

This is a bump post to clarify that I am not blindly supporting bounty hunters and targeting bounty managers I have been a bounty manager myself and posted about their pain as well and the reason for my last article about bounty hunters are just to make everyone realise that they deserve respect for their hardwork and shouldn't be judged.

I have been sharing my opinion based on the facts and bias.

Regards to the following post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55571619

Both parties do have its own weaknesses and strengths but i do agree on the word "RESPECT" and as i had mentioned on the link or thread you had given where this do excludes to those shady managers and
bounty cheaters out there yet these people doesnt deserve any respect or some sort.

Judgement would be subjective and shouldnt be generalize because not all managers are part of the team and just doing their job and not all bounty hunters are cheaters or abusive.

Lets consider who are doing their job or tasks well but you cant really please anyone since there are people who are really that judgmental when it comes to other people.
Once it had spread out then that do really create some generalization among all which is really sad and removing that negative image wont really be that simple.

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This is a bump post to clarify that I am not blindly supporting bounty hunters and targeting bounty managers I have been a bounty manager myself and posted about their pain as well and the reason for my last article about bounty hunters are just to make everyone realise that they deserve respect for their hardwork and shouldn't be judged.

I have been sharing my opinion based on the facts and bias.

Regards to the following post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55571619

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Quote from: totoy4741 on January 23, 2020, 08:49:17 AM

I think most Bounty Managers are paid Ethereum or Bitcoins to handle a certain projects, or if not atleast half of the payments are in fiats and the other half is in token of the project they are campaigning. The ones that would mostly suffers are the hunters, as there are mo assurance of the project would be successful or at least achieve their target cap(softcap, hardcap).

They are paid for their work so actually both bounty manager and bounty hunters can be a victim of scam. Though mostly affected on this is the bounty hunters they got not paid nothing at all for their hard work when they join the campaign. That's the problem when we join no assurance that the project will be successful that is why we should create an investigation before we join.

indeed both accept the risk it seems. but the bounty manager gets paid in the beginning but their reputation gets worse and I don't think it's comparable to those who have built a very good reputation. and for bounty hunters, we have to accept it if we have made sure to join a campaign.

That is what Bounty Manager's are taking care of, their reputations. Because of Bounty Projects their handling their reputations are always at risks cause they never know wether the projects are going to be successful or going to be scam. If only there is someone who could filter every bounties to avoid being scammed.

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Quote from: Script3d on January 24, 2020, 10:55:25 AM

Quote from: Maslate on January 23, 2020, 07:58:49 PM

Quote from: maruf01788 on January 23, 2020, 04:05:01 PM

We are bounty hunters, we work hard day after day. If any project scammed it's really painful for us. Then hunters blame bounty managers. But it's not bounty manager fault. Some Bounty manager are lazy. They don't count hunters stacks properly. I really hate them. And i always respect all good manager who complete his work properly.

Bounty hunters are just like bounty managers who only work hard to get paid. But it cannot be denied that once a bounty manager cannot fulfill his promise and does not pay the bounty hunters well, he will judge immediately in a negative way. Bounty hunters should also be considerate because both bounty hunters and bounty manager work hard for the success of the project.

Most of the time the developers hold the token and im sure they are the ones who distribute not the bounty manager, unless the bounty manager holds the bounty tokens which is unlikely, i do agree bounty hunters should stop blaming bounty manager since the bounty manager only verify the bounty hunters work and not in charge of distributing tokens.

Its rare for the team would give out those tokens on the hands of managers yet most of the time they would be the ones who would distribute those shit tokens in the end of the day.

I can see those blaming in part of bounty managers which come to think that they are just workers too that had been paid by the team itself.They are just handing and organizing the campaign or task given
but doesnt mean they do handle out the payouts. No matter what the situation, there would always be that someone do complain and do call you out badly.I do agree into those words said on OP too.

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Quote from: btcltcdigger on January 21, 2020, 06:46:35 AM

Reading this, my smile was getting bigger and bigger, but i couldn't agree more.
Unfortunately bounties nowadays have a really bad rep, and their usefulness to the projects is questionable more often than not.

The truth is, 50% or more bounty hunters have no clue what they're applying for, they just heard from someone "go apply, its free money". Sad part is, around 30% of them don't even speak English (which i think many would agree, is a must in this community).

And no matter how you run your campaign, lenient or very strict, there's at least 10% of them that will call you scammer/bad.

I'm sure many of bounty managers heard the phrase "bounty hunters work very hard". While some really do, and kudos to them, most of them have automated retweeting/liking scripts and usually use a spin-bot on articles.
And then, when i do reward a genuinely good article with bonus stakes, i'm accused of favoritism and am subjected to scrutiny and name calling.

It's a cursed road to walk on, being a bounty manager, but it has it's rewards.

At one point, i even had an idea to create a fake bounty, and clearly call it "FAKE BOUNTY, NO REWARDS GIVEN" and explain in the details that it's a social project with no rewards, just to see how many people will blindly join without reading details.

Everyone that ever worked with you hates you. Make a pole on your shitty channel and see for yourself. Garbage.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 23, 2020, 07:58:49 PM

Quote from: maruf01788 on January 23, 2020, 04:05:01 PM

We are bounty hunters, we work hard day after day. If any project scammed it's really painful for us. Then hunters blame bounty managers. But it's not bounty manager fault. Some Bounty manager are lazy. They don't count hunters stacks properly. I really hate them. And i always respect all good manager who complete his work properly.

Bounty hunters are just like bounty managers who only work hard to get paid. But it cannot be denied that once a bounty manager cannot fulfill his promise and does not pay the bounty hunters well, he will judge immediately in a negative way. Bounty hunters should also be considerate because both bounty hunters and bounty manager work hard for the success of the project.

Most of the time the developers hold the token and im sure they are the ones who distribute not the bounty manager, unless the bounty manager holds the bounty tokens which is unlikely, i do agree bounty hunters should stop blaming bounty manager since the bounty manager only verify the bounty hunters work and not in charge of distributing tokens.

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Money is basically the root of evil and greediness and a lot of people in here - not all doing a lot of accounts but good thing, merit was born. When it comes to joining bounties, I do agree, not all are reading or doing research about the project thinking that bounties are still good last time (2017-early 2018).

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The act of Bounty hunting has lost its initial valor coupled with the never ending bear market situation. You're right moderators gets paid the same way hunters do and we hunters forget that most times they get paid with useless tokens as we do as well. Some sort of regulations as regards bounty exercise will go a long way protecting both the hunters and the campaign moderators.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 23, 2020, 07:58:49 PM

Quote from: maruf01788 on January 23, 2020, 04:05:01 PM

We are bounty hunters, we work hard day after day. If any project scammed it's really painful for us. Then hunters blame bounty managers. But it's not bounty manager fault. Some Bounty manager are lazy. They don't count hunters stacks properly. I really hate them. And i always respect all good manager who complete his work properly.

Bounty hunters are just like bounty managers who only work hard to get paid. But it cannot be denied that once a bounty manager cannot fulfill his promise and does not pay the bounty hunters well, he will judge immediately in a negative way. Bounty hunters should also be considerate because both bounty hunters and bounty manager work hard for the success of the project.

when viewed from the side of the bounty manager, sometimes they carry a big burden, because sometimes the project doesn't pay and they become the target of ridicule from the bounty hunter. but I consider all that a risk. all have their own risks. of course we lose time and thought for several months to make the project work

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We all have the pain in joining a campaign if the project was not true to its investors and promoters . Being a biunty manager is really hard although it is very rewarding because of the highest stakes among all of every individual participants but the work is isn't that really light like the bounty hunters. That was the risk of joining and handling a bounty campaign , we don't have any assurance right from the start.

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I can feel the pain of those managers that being blame along the process if their campaign handled isnt paid those hunters but there is always a discretion on their part that hunters should understand. They are only handling the project and payment for that will come from the team. Unless the project escrow its budget for campaign to the CM. There is one guy who I think good in this, @julerz12 the campaign BMY give him the tokens for the campaign. It's nice to have someone like that in forum.

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Quote from: maruf01788 on January 23, 2020, 04:05:01 PM

We are bounty hunters, we work hard day after day. If any project scammed it's really painful for us. Then hunters blame bounty managers. But it's not bounty manager fault. Some Bounty manager are lazy. They don't count hunters stacks properly. I really hate them. And i always respect all good manager who complete his work properly.

Bounty hunters are just like bounty managers who only work hard to get paid. But it cannot be denied that once a bounty manager cannot fulfill his promise and does not pay the bounty hunters well, he will judge immediately in a negative way. Bounty hunters should also be considerate because both bounty hunters and bounty manager work hard for the success of the project.

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this is the importance of being an educated bounty hunter. so it's not easy to get caught up with project scams, be more critical in analyzing projects, and ready to accept all the risks associated with bounty campaigns. being a bounty hunter must be prepared to accept the risk, ready not to be paid. Bounty managers are only intermediaries, not all losses that bounty hunters receive are entirely the mistakes of bounty managers, so understand that BM also "works". let's be wiser and more educated

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In the end it is thousands of bounty hunters that get beaten if a project or team fails to raise funds or simply scams and not pay the reward tokens, the bounty hunters are at real loss and receiving end because they have wasted both their months of work and time and not to forget their reputation that gets impacted negatively even if they have peomoted a project that suddenly scams or fails.

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We are bounty hunters, we work hard day after day. If any project scammed it's really painful for us. Then hunters blame bounty managers. But it's not bounty manager fault. Some Bounty manager are lazy. They don't count hunters stacks properly. I really hate them. And i always respect all good manager who complete his work properly.

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Quote from: ubercool on January 22, 2020, 07:19:21 AM

Bounty hunters think that bounty manager will be a part of the project team but in most of the cases it'll not be true as bounty manager will be hired just to do a job and get paid, he won't be having the power to do any decisions rather just do as the team says. It's really hard to do these days and even the icos are not even getting any investments.

Actually bounty hunters unable to discuss with core team for asking all of those question regarding which project. So that hunters thinking bounty manager capable to response their desired question. But sometimes bounty manager will play role as a part of project team. I think bounty manager can't blamed for the reward because they just involved for maintain the bounty, distribution depend on the project team.

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In the majority of cases, bounty manager has nothing to do with a failed bounty or project exiting scam. But at the end, manager is running a bounty campaign and he is responsible at least to check everything before publishing a bounty.

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Quote from: carriebee on January 23, 2020, 10:43:15 AM

Quote from: totoy4741 on January 23, 2020, 08:49:17 AM

I think most Bounty Managers are paid Ethereum or Bitcoins to handle a certain projects, or if not atleast half of the payments are in fiats and the other half is in token of the project they are campaigning. The ones that would mostly suffers are the hunters, as there are mo assurance of the project would be successful or at least achieve their target cap(softcap, hardcap).

They are paid for their work so actually both bounty manager and bounty hunters can be a victim of scam. Though mostly affected on this is the bounty hunters they got not paid nothing at all for their hard work when they join the campaign. That's the problem when we join no assurance that the project will be successful that is why we should create an investigation before we join.

I also heard that some managers like to get paid in the tokens of the project seeing the hype of the tokens in the end of 2017 but nowadays they are also running on the same condition like the hunters. In that case they have to care that to assure the identity and security of the payment of the bounty. They have to create a separate rule in which they have to secure some funds from the projects to secure the work of the bounty hunters.

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I never blame managers. If they rubbish managers I will complain though. There many useless managers. So many times I see bounty stakes being denied for stupid reasons like if you forgot to register they do not give you weeks worth of stakes. This is plain laziness. A genuine manager is worth following. Hopefully one day I find a manager I like. Managers give themselves a bad name but blaming a manager for the fail of a project is stupid.
You can only blame the manager for poor bounty management. Poor management can contribute to a failing project but you cannot fully blame a manager. The drop of the price in a coin does not make it a scam unless the devs themselves dumped.

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Quote from: qomariah95 on January 23, 2020, 12:34:15 PM

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Quote from: Fatunad on January 23, 2020, 11:53:20 AM

Quote from: carriebee on January 23, 2020, 10:43:15 AM

Quote from: totoy4741 on January 23, 2020, 08:49:17 AM

I think most Bounty Managers are paid Ethereum or Bitcoins to handle a certain projects, or if not atleast half of the payments are in fiats and the other half is in token of the project they are campaigning. The ones that would mostly suffers are the hunters, as there are mo assurance of the project would be successful or at least achieve their target cap(softcap, hardcap).

They are paid for their work so actually both bounty manager and bounty hunters can be a victim of scam. Though mostly affected on this is the bounty hunters they got not paid nothing at all for their hard work when they join the campaign. That's the problem when we join no assurance that the project will be successful that is why we should create an investigation before we join.

Bounty managers usually will put a demand because managing a bounty campaign is a pain in the head. You're not only reviewing post in the forum but also with different kinds of social media platform advertising and you get to monitor them everyday. Any bounty manager would demand a 50-50 deal like 50% of payment will be btc and the other 50% is the company token.

A sad reality but it is true. BM suffers the huge complaint once the project fails and even not been paid for its service. I'm not really good putting blame towards BM cause in the first place, they don't want to make it happen also (unless a true scammer) and they don't want to ruin their reputation but sadly bounty participants never realize.

I pity them actually, especially that most of the time they have 5k+ participants in social media, imagine how much they are spending their time just to check our output, then we will blame them for something that we should blame too, for sure they did their job to check the project if feasible or not, but it's not their fault if it is failed, so let's not blame them.

Asking for 50% fiat payment and 50% of their tokens is a good idea. But unfortunately every project cannot do that, most projects remain with their token allocation for the bounty program. And here I do not want to blame, but want something even better for BM and other participants. A good thing to do one BM is to ask for tokens in advance and use escrow as collateral.

I don't think having 50/50 is a good idea since bounty hunters are just gonna dump their tokens when it hits the exchange, better to have that in fiat or coin with a huge volume, usually the development doesn't go really well with ICO right now because it can be a scam in the long run. I think getting paid every week is the best because it removes the escrow so less cost for the devs.

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